[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
…but the thing is that for some reason I progressed so fast over the past 2 weeks that I’m almost in contest shape right now…[/quote]
Geez CT, next thing you know you’ll be telling us how your wallet is too small for all your hundreds. 
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
juet wrote:
CT, In your diet I see are consuming Metabolic Drive with almost every meal. I read that whey protein causes a fairly big insulin spike, are you concerned about this at all?
??? I have a shake in only 3 out ouf 6 meals. And one of those is the post-workout meal, where you WANT to spike insulin.
Low-carbs Metabolic Drive will not cause an insulin spike because it contains a lot of casein, which is a slow-release protein. Slow-release = no insulin spike.
The other shake is taken in the morning, when you are the most insulin sensitive, so again the insulin spike will be minimal. Not to mention that fat is being consumed too, which slows down absorption and entry in the bloodstream and that too basically blunts the insulin release.[/quote]
Yeah sorry, I was referring to meals 4 & 6, but anyway you explained it with the ingredient breakdown of the product. If one were to have replace it with whey isolate at those times it would be a problem though right?
when your in contest shape how much does your diet usually change?
[quote]juet wrote:
Yeah sorry, I was referring to meals 4 & 6, but anyway you explained it with the ingredient breakdown of the product. If one were to have replace it with whey isolate at those times it would be a problem though right?[/quote]
No, not really. You seem to have a very limited understanding of how the body functions. It’s not like ingredient X leads to the release of X insulin, it’s the combination of everything in the meal that determines the insulin response.
Whey isolate, is about 50% insulinemic (in other words 50g of whey isolate has grossly the same impact on insulin as 20-25g of carbs). So by itself, yes, it would lead to the release of some insulin. BUT if it is ingested with fats and/or fibrous veggies it greatly reduces the glycemic/insulinemic index of the meal (as well as absorption time) so it would cause very little, if any release of insulin.
[quote]crod266 wrote:
when your in contest shape how much does your diet usually change?[/quote]
Impossible to answer. It depends on what I want to accomplish.
First of all, it’s impossible to maintain a contest shape, except if you are a genetic freak who naturally carries no fat. You can maintain a near contest shape for a certain period of time, but again, it’s not for too long before you begin to feel like killing yourself.
You can (from experience) maintain a physique that is around 5lbs away from contest shape without feeling too worn-out IF your body is already used to be at a low body fat level.
The change in diet will thus depend on if the goal is to maintain a near-contest shape, to gain a small amount of muscle while staying in good condition, or to forget about contest shape and get back into all-out muscle-building mode.
hmm I see, so even if you in all out muscle building mode you should still be cean bulking which wouldnt result in that much fat gain anway, am I correct? and btw being only 17 and wanted to bodybuild I feel that u single handedly answered like everything I need to know so i again thank you for that
[quote]crod266 wrote:
hmm I see, so even if you in all out muscle building mode you should still be cean bulking which wouldnt result in that much fat gain anway, am I correct? and btw being only 17 and wanted to bodybuild I feel that u single handedly answered like everything I need to know so i again thank you for that[/quote]
I do not believe in adding a lot of fat while gaining muscle. Fat doesn’t help you add muscle.
It is pretty hard to build a lot of muscle without accepting some small fat gain, but it shouldn’t be excessive, especially in individuals who are naturally more prone to pilling on fat.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
sam747 wrote:
Thibs, you going to post before and after pics?
I don’t think so… probably some after pics, but the thing is that for some reason I progressed so fast over the past 2 weeks that I’m almost in contest shape right now (even though I technically still have 22 weeks of dieting left) so I will probably adjust everything so that I simply maintain my current condition for 12-14 weeks.
For that reason posting before and after would be idiotic since there would actually be very little changes.[/quote]
Man that is saying something right there. Contest ready in just 2 weeks is very impressive. Hope to be in the same condition someday.
[quote]matt_t2004 wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
sam747 wrote:
Thibs, you going to post before and after pics?
I don’t think so… probably some after pics, but the thing is that for some reason I progressed so fast over the past 2 weeks that I’m almost in contest shape right now (even though I technically still have 22 weeks of dieting left) so I will probably adjust everything so that I simply maintain my current condition for 12-14 weeks.
For that reason posting before and after would be idiotic since there would actually be very little changes.
Man that is saying something right there. Contest ready in just 2 weeks is very impressive. Hope to be in the same condition someday.[/quote]
Not contest ready… NEAR contest shape… as in around 2% BF away.
BUT I started at 8% body fat, so it’s not that impressive.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
BUT I started at 8% body fat, so it’s not that impressive.[/quote]
8%! You fat bastard. Huge eye roll
I noticed that your views on diet are very palumboesque, have you been reading alot of his stuff lately, or is this by pure coincdience.
I noticed that your cardio recommendations and ketogenic diet are very close to his.
Good luck w/the diet!
And what shows are u planning to compete in if you do compete??
[quote]glenbeckham wrote:
I noticed that your views on diet are very palumboesque, have you been reading alot of his stuff lately, or is this by pure coincdience.
I noticed that your cardio recommendations and ketogenic diet are very close to his.
Good luck w/the diet!
And what shows are u planning to compete in if you do compete??[/quote]
I have been recommending low-intensity cardio during low-carbs diet for years.
As for the diet, I have had numerous personal contacts with Dave as well as other low-carb proponents like Charles Poliquin and Lyle McDonald. My dietary techniques are the sum of these contacts an my own experience.
Thibs you don’t seem to have that GH gut so how can you compete in BBing?
is that just the heavy weight guys?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
MEAL 6 (before bed)
3 whole omega 3 eggs*
1 scoop Low-Carb Metabolic Drive
1 tablespoon all natural peanut butter
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I have added raw eggs to shakes a long time ago but sence the scare of salmonella I have stopped. Are there eggs that do not have this issue or are you not worried about it?
bill
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
glenbeckham wrote:
I noticed that your views on diet are very palumboesque, have you been reading alot of his stuff lately, or is this by pure coincdience.
I noticed that your cardio recommendations and ketogenic diet are very close to his.
Good luck w/the diet!
And what shows are u planning to compete in if you do compete??
I have been recommending low-intensity cardio during low-carbs diet for years.
As for the diet, I have had numerous personal contacts with Dave as well as other low-carb proponents like Charles Poliquin and Lyle McDonald. My dietary techniques are the sum of these contacts an my own experience.[/quote]
Well you cant really argue with the success of palumbo with his athletes, he has really been churing out some quality physiques as of late.
What are your views on training styles while on a low carb diet?? I know dave recommends a HIT style type of training with lower volume but maximum effort.
[quote]glenbeckham wrote:
What are your views on training styles while on a low carb diet?? I know dave recommends a HIT style type of training with lower volume but maximum effort.
[/quote]
Read my article ‘‘War Room Strategies…’’, the first few paragraphs explain my views on the subject.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Thibs you don’t seem to have that GH gut so how can you compete in BBing?
is that just the heavy weight guys?
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It’s normally just the heavyweights. Many peoples blame the GH or insulin; and they probably play a role. But to that I’d add excessive food consumption when bulking up. You will rarely see a gut on a guy who stays under 240-250 during his off-season and competes at 230 or less. It’s most common on those who go above 280-300lbs in the off season.
I’m curious why you’re not yourself using Surge Workout Fuel like some of your physique clinic trainees. When already lean and getting truly shredded, do you feel it’s best to avoid this amount of carbs even during the workout? I guess it’s somewhat of an academic discusssion right now, but hopefully it will be on the market soon. Thanks Thib! And thanks generally for being so responsive on these forums. You always have the answers I’m looking for.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I’m curious why you’re not yourself using Surge Workout Fuel like some of your physique clinic trainees. When already lean and getting truly shredded, do you feel it’s best to avoid this amount of carbs even during the workout? I guess it’s somewhat of an academic discusssion right now, but hopefully it will be on the market soon. Thanks Thib! And thanks generally for being so responsive on these forums. You always have the answers I’m looking for. [/quote]
The main reason is a practical one: because I ran out of it!!!
It is a fantastic product and I used it extensively in my last ‘‘mass’’ phase. During that phase I actually trained twice per day and because of the product I never ceased to progress and recovered super fast. However using it this much quickly emptied my stash!
A second reason is that I must admit that I’m excessive when it comes to dieting… in fact I probably suffer from a borderline eating disorder, or at least the psychological aspects of it, although I’m not as bad as I once was. So when I decide to cut carbs, I cut them out completely. When I diet down using a ketogenic approach I normally stay below 20g of carbs per day.
One serving of Workout Fuel would probably not put me out of ketosis; especially when used during a workout, but that’s the way I am.
That having been said, I might reintroduce it when my next shipment arrive since I lost fat too fast.
A third reason is that my former girlfriend (and still best friend) Christiane, wants to get back into competing. She hasn’t trained in 2-3 years so she’ll have to do a ton of work to catch up. I was thinking about saving the Workout Fuel for her since she will need it more than me.
Hi Christian.
Good luck with your goals this year.
Also just read both of your books. They are very good reads. Found it very interesting about block training and bodybuilding tips chapter.
Mark