[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
lou21 wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6534319/State-to-spy-on-every-phone-call-email-and-web-search.html
“All telecoms companies and internet service providers will be required by law to keep a record of every customerÃ???Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã?¢??s personal communications, showing who they have contacted, when and where, as well as the websites they have visited.”
“They will not require the permission of a judge or a magistrate to obtain the information, but simply the authorisation of a senior police officer or the equivalent of a deputy head of department at a local authority.”
Britain is a creeping police state because the British are too brain washed and lacking in the proper revolutionaary ideology to understand what is happening to them and how to proceed. All of Europe is really lacking because Europeans look to the wrong role models for ideas.
What is really sad about the British is all they need to do is look to the American founding fathers for ideas on how to free a people from the tyranny of the British government and secure a free state. The rest of Europe would do well to study the American founding fathers as well.
People like Cockney will make fun of this idea as being representative of American colonial backwardness, but Thomas Jefferson said that when the people fear the government there is tyranny, but when the government fears the people there is freedom.
In Britain people believe the proper relationship is the people should fear their government. They also believe that those who govern them are their “betters” so they put politicians up on a pedestal.
I don’t think most people in the UK fear the government I think they actually have contempt for it.
Obviously the brilliance of Jefferson is lost on you. What is important is the government should fear the people. The British government does fear the people that is why it does whatever it feels like.
It doesn’t matter if the people have comtempt. Contempt isn’t going to change anything. What the British people need is power, which is something they don’t have. Because they gave up their power like cowardly idiots.
And as for the telegraph piece about email, internet and phone snooping, I think the US is already ahead of the UK on that. Anyone who thinks that their phone calls, google searches, email use etc is not already being monitored and categorised is extremely naive. The amount of information that Google holds on your average American would terrify Winston Smith.
The NSA has been monitoring everyones phone calls for years but it is widely accepted that they are circumventing US law to do so. But it is the feds, it isn’t just some local cop who can access their system. It is not quite the kind of free for all that the British have.
I don’t agree with the legislation and would be amazed if any UK telecomms company actually has the technological integrity of networks and systems to be able to deliver on it (in the passed I worked for BT and Cable & Wireless in the UK.)
You are rationalizing. Again! What the level of technical proficiency is does not matter. What matters is they are allowed to have the system in place and no one is protesting. All they need to do now is improve it. Which they will over time.
Thanks for sharing about your “passed”. I see the spell check you recomended is really working for you.
LOL, I knew you would be scouring my posts for typos. You might want to re-read your last post, you have managed to post the opposite to your argument in it. Oh and two ms in recommended. [/quote]
Actually I was reading them in the order that you posted them. That wasn’t the first time you have mispelt something. Normally I don’t give a damn, but since you want to go down that road I figured I would point it out.
I might not have been clear enough but I didn’t contradict myself. I’m not happy about the amount of government snooping that goes on in the US, but it still isn’t the kind of free for all that Britain has. The information that comes out of the NSA deal with the Canadian government to spy on Americans isn’t something that FBI or even the local county council can access.
It’s not like Britain where the city councils are using anti terrorism laws to snoop on how much people put in their garbage cans. Google by the way isn’t a government organisation.
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By the way, if no-one is protesting, why were you able to post a British newspaper article protesting about the new law? [/quote]
There is a world of difference between a newspaper article that is immediately forgotten and people taking to the streets in droves oand storming parliament to fight with the men in tights like they did over fox hunting. I think the comparison between the reaction to those two events shows just how stupid the British are.