[quote]Alpha F wrote:
aussie486 wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
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Cockney Blue does have a point with your cut and paste.
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No, he doesn’t.
To you he doesn’t to me he did and the point was I can’t keep up with Sifu’s long posts and that is in no way a bad reflection on him or the contents of the cut and paste - it says more about me and the fact I can’t follow his interest in politics to read everything - my loss.
I do admire his ability to reply at length and my point was I get bored easily and skip reading.
I thought that was what Cockney was somewhat saying. It doesn’t mean Sifu is either right or wrong in his expression.
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You have a valid point on long posts. I get lost on long posts too. It makes it hard to follow some of the threads, when other people do it so I try not to do it myself.
With Cockney it is difficult not to because with him I have to spell out every single detail otherwise he will restate what I have written in his own twisted manner and embellish it until it is completely over the top.
If I can get away with posting a snippet from an article I will, but sometimes an article has a lot of good information and I don’t want people to assume the snippet is the only part worth reading. So that is why I do it.
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
aussie486 wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
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Cockney Blue does have a point with your cut and paste.
M
No, he doesn’t.
To you he doesn’t to me he did and the point was I can’t keep up with Sifu’s long posts and that is in no way a bad reflection on him or the contents of the cut and paste - it says more about me and the fact I can’t follow his interest in politics to read everything - my loss.
I do admire his ability to reply at length and my point was I get bored easily and skip reading.
I thought that was what Cockney was somewhat saying. It doesn’t mean Sifu is either right or wrong in his expression.
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You have a valid point on long posts. I get lost on long posts too. It makes it hard to follow some of the threads, when other people do it so I try not to do it myself.
With Cockney it is difficult not to because with him I have to spell out every single detail otherwise he will restate what I have written in his own twisted manner and embellish it until it is completely over the top.
If I can get away with posting a snippet from an article I will, but sometimes an article has a lot of good information and I don’t want people to assume the snippet is the only part worth reading. So that is why I do it.
I don’t know if you noticed but PWI has been a bit of a boys club. Yes, I try not to post and just follow silently. Every one seems very jumpy here and it could be called Politics War and Issues, : D [/quote]
Personally I would like to see more input from you ladies in here. It’s good to have another point of view. Other than terrorism my primary reason for being so critical of Islam is the treatment of women in the islamic world. I would not want any of the women in my family to have to live like that. Not now, not in the future.
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I am used to only arguing with other guys in here and boy talk can be blunt, rude and in your face without us getting offended by it.
The impression I got from your posts is your point of view is that in the past the British have done bad things that have resulted in other people getting screwed over, so now it is some kind of just come uppance that their descendants should allow suffer a similar fate. I admit I wrote in that style on purpose, to test the English who are posting here. I noticed the British get very defensive and arrogant when it is pointed out to them that they too, have crossed boundaries and been places and taken spoil. I did not mean to imply they now deserve what they are getting. The reason the British have allowed these people in is somewhat motivated by guilt and intrinsic laws of nature show that what we reap what we sow.
I was speaking of a natural cycle. Though some of you may not believe it.
If I personally went to meet your family and behaved in a certain way, if one day your children came to my home and behaved in a similar way I would remember I procured this interaction and set the ball in motion. [/quote]
I try to take a Yin and Yang view of world events. But what I see in a lot of young British people is they have been indoctrinated so they view history solely with a modern sense of morality and values. There is no allowance for the possibility that maybe people back then didn’t know any better. There has been a concerted effort by liberals to lay a heavy guilt trip over historical events.
ie The British were bad for getting involved with the African slave trade, something which our modern morality sees as something terrible. What is ignored is the African slave trade goes all the way back to the Romans and probably before that. It had gone on for thousands of years before the British got involved in it. So they were bad for getting involved, but the British also were the ones who eventually developed the abolitionist movement and finally put an end to it.
Another point is a lot of the British empire was achieved not through military conquest but just picking up the pieces of what was left of civilizations that had been devastated by the jihad. ie India.
So that is why I went after what you wrote because I have seen similar ideas from others over there.
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You also came across as one of those people who likes to use guilt trips and I didn’t realize you’re a woman so I attacked. It’s ok. And that further illustrates my experiment with posting that bluntly and my point about guilt ( I am not speaking about you personally, just in general ). I have observed that the British are secretly ( and sometimes not so secretly ) guilt ridden when no blame was implied just fact. It is evident in many of their actions and even figure of speech. The British pride and arrogance when they are no longer the Superpower ( in my personal view, the only people who have the right to brag are the current nation who holds this position, like the Romans once did ) and subsequent resentment over losing it to the Americans, is another indication of suppressed guilt. And shame for a perceived failure.
I am not stating a fact. This is just a personal observation. I am more interested in the psychology of politics rather than the politics themselves. That also may explain why I came across to you as ‘using guilt’ whereas that never crossed my mind and I was merely ‘testing’ and pushing for a strong response, which I did get.
I can however be utterly blunt in my expressions and have been beaten up for having a big mouth, : D! [/quote]
The British have had the liberals lay a heavy guilt trip them about the nations past. With young people in school who don’t have the necessary philosophical basis to dissect the flaws in the arguement it is an easy thing to do. They will gladly tell them all about the bad that the British did but they don’t balance out with Britains leading role in the industrial revolution. Without the industrial revolution the rest of the world would still be using horses and oxen.
One of the worst characteristics of the British is they do tend to be jealous bitches. When it comes to the Americans they have a lot to be jealous of.
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Borders are boundaries. They are the boundaries of an entire group of people that if properly used can allow that group to have safe and healthy interactions with other groups of people. Sometimes the best way to have a good relationship with others is to keep them at a distance.
Healthy boundaries are important and different from a ‘siege mentality’. The mind set or attitude of “Them x Us” is just as dangerous as the people who have no respect for another’s boundaries.
When I read 300andabove link about the BNP I could see clearly how that siege mentality can be bred and developed even if their motivation is self-preservation. [/quote]
What I see is not a siege mentality. What I see is a people who have been abandoned by their leaders. The British elites are all into pusuing world causes that are all about other people from other parts of the world because issues closer to home just aren’t glamorous to get that all important pat on the head and a “goood boyyyy” from a celebrity like Bono.
ei Lady Diana was on a worldwide campaign against land mines because every year people are getting hurt and killed by these things. She would even pose for photographs with victims of land mines so the cause could have poster children. It gave her such a glamorous image to be caring about people in far flung wartorn regions. If she had picked a cause more close to home like wearing seat belts it wouldn’t have had the same cool factor even though thousands of people are maimed or killed every year because they were not wearing seat belts and as luck would have it she became a poster child for seatbelt use. If she had set her sights a lot closer to home it might have saved her own ass.
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Also, on borders being boundaries, the only reason why I jumped into this thread was because I thought Cockney’s reply to 300’s post about the English being ruled by a Scott who reports to a family of Germans was absolutely brilliant. As much as we would like to believe that this is ‘my’ country and this is ‘your’ country, if someone else powerful enough decides to take over, a thousand years from now what was known as mine can and will be known as yours.[/quote]
The present leadership in Westminster are called the Scottish mafia for good reason. Plus a few top cabinet members who aren’t Scottish are not totally English either. ie The Milliband brothers father was a Russian red army soldier or Jack Straw who said that the English are not a race who are worth saving is half Jewish. That is why they care so little about what they are doing to the people there because their heart isn’t with them.
Oh I alredy replied. Please feel free to delurk anytime.
Up to 12 more Met officers are responsible for providing 24-hour armed protection at his �?�£3.5million home in Central London
OMG. I know I said I would just read but I drive by that house every week sometimes twice a day and I just have to slow down to look at those officers machine guns.
They are the biggest and most amazing I have ever seen on a police officer in Britain! Not even the American Embassy security has guns like that. Every single time I drive by that house and look at those officers I have asked myself: WHO LIVES HERE?! Who on earth needs so much security?
He must think himself extremely important.
I had no idea it was him who owned Connaught Square.
I thought it was a Saudi King!
And that picture is wrong. There are always and without fail two guards on the main door and two more on the other side of the street guarding the the mews. Plus police cars. I have been doing this journey for 1 year and a half. Always 2x2 guards with amazing guns.
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He is very well protected isn’t he. He is never going to have to frantically dial 999 and wait for an operator to ask him to state the nature of his emergency while the door to his house is being kicked in is he. His wife is never going to have to hide in a closet clutching a dead phone while he is stabbed 15 times in the face like the couple in the home invasion story I posted earlier.
For the sake of expediency I have taken the liberty of writing Cockneyblue’s rebuttal for him. “Why it wouldn’t be proper for a man like Tony Blair to have to wait for the police to send a car around because he’s important unlike that awful commoner peasant Tony Martin who shot that poor lovable rogue Barras and his assistant Fereas.”
It would take a heavily armed entry team just to get into that house and they probably would run into surprises once they did and Special Branch would immediately send in reinforcements.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Does anyone else want to point out to Sifu the minor problem with that argument?
Why don’t you point out the problem so I can make you look silly?
Erm, Petrol.
Selling oil is all they have. Without it they will not be able to buy anything no food, not toys, no weapons…
The threat to cut off our oil supply is a hollow one. Without their oil we have no use for them and no reason to fight to protect them. Someone will profit off of that oil it just won’t be them.
You stated that if we stopped trading with all Muslims it would have minimal impact on our economy. Yet again, you made a sweeping statement that is clearly rubbish.
Again I say YOU are the one who is trying to digress this into some stupid arguement about a trade war with a people who don’t make anything except pump oil out of the ground. Other than oil they don’t make anything that we need or that we can’t make ourselves.
You are so unrealistic and have a fantasy view of the rest of the world. The muslim world is a backwards, over populated, economic basket case. Other than a few oil sheikdoms muslim countries are the most impoverished places on the planet.
You are the one who is talking complete rubbish. If we stop taking in immigrants from muslim countries they have no way to punish us other than setting bombs off on buses and trains, which they do anyways, so we have nothing lose and much to gain.
I am not trying to digress I am just pointing out the fallacies in what you write, again and again.
No you aren’t. You are just coming up with silly objections. The muslim world is too poor to buy much of anything from the first world and they have little ability to produce anything for themselves.
Besides your priorities are all screwed up. Islam is a threat to the entire planet. A little trade is nothing compared to us losing our only inhabitable planet.
There is a huge amount of trade between the UK and the Arab world, if you can’t see that then it just goes to show how dumb you truly are.
Who do you think designed and built most of Dubai and Abu Dhabi?
Well on the shows I have seen on TV about Dubai it looks like the construction workers who were brought in to build all the new buildings were from Pakistan and other third world countrys. Which makes sense if one considers the difference in labor costs between British workers and third world workers. And I would imagine that the building materials would either be locally produced or brought in from somewhere nearby that would be cheaper than Britain like India. [/quote]
Yes but a lot of the construction companies and architects were British.
Up to 12 more Met officers are responsible for providing 24-hour armed protection at his �??�??�?�£3.5million home in Central London
OMG. I know I said I would just read but I drive by that house every week sometimes twice a day and I just have to slow down to look at those officers machine guns.
They are the biggest and most amazing I have ever seen on a police officer in Britain! Not even the American Embassy security has guns like that. Every single time I drive by that house and look at those officers I have asked myself: WHO LIVES HERE?! Who on earth needs so much security?
He must think himself extremely important.
I had no idea it was him who owned Connaught Square.
I thought it was a Saudi King!
And that picture is wrong. There are always and without fail two guards on the main door and two more on the other side of the street guarding the the mews. Plus police cars. I have been doing this journey for 1 year and a half. Always 2x2 guards with amazing guns.
He is very well protected isn’t he. He is never going to have to frantically dial 999 and wait for an operator to ask him to state the nature of his emergency while the door to his house is being kicked in is he. His wife is never going to have to hide in a closet clutching a dead phone while he is stabbed 15 times in the face like the couple in the home invasion story I posted earlier.
For the sake of expediency I have taken the liberty of writing Cockneyblue’s rebuttal for him. “Why it wouldn’t be proper for a man like Tony Blair to have to wait for the police to send a car around because he’s important unlike that awful commoner peasant Tony Martin who shot that poor lovable rogue Barras and his assistant Fereas.”
It would take a heavily armed entry team just to get into that house and they probably would run into surprises once they did and Special Branch would immediately send in reinforcements.
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I would have no problem at all with Tony Blair having to wait for the police to turn up. The problem is that he is such a high profile target that the British Government have to protect him. If he was hit by a terrorist attack (domestic or international) it would be hugely bad press for the British.
I doubt that he chose his security set up, I imagine that it was set up by experts in the close protection department of the CID.
Sifu, I have a question for you. Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about the British anyway? Every country has positives and negatives. Every country has a huge variety of types of people however you seem to want to simplify things down to all British people being sheep that are being led around by the Labour party.
Every negative thing you have leveled against Britain could be equally leveled against the US or any other modern democracy but you are jumping over every mention of Britain like a cat round catnip.
Sifu, I have a question for you. Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about the British anyway? Every country has positives and negatives. Every country has a huge variety of types of people however you seem to want to simplify things down…
From this thread:
Cockney Blue wrote:
When your country actually grows up past it’s adolescense then the rest of the world might start to take it a bit more seriously. At the moment it is seen as the brash teenager who’s got a bit of money and thinks it is the dogs bollocks. The rest of the world is busy hiding the nice china and hoping the US will get bored and go and bother someone else with it’s boorish arrogance.
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Every negative thing you have leveled against Britain could be equally leveled against the US or any other modern democracy [/quote]
This is where I hugely disagree with you, Cockney.
My experience of the English in particular is that they are sheepish. I have mentioned this before over the issue of the parking penalties and cctv camera charges against minor infractions.
In the US they would just shoot the damn cameras to sabotage this abuse by the authorities.
In Brazil they would just throw rocks and break it.
I have been seriously thinking of getting a sling.
Everyone around me is completely tamed about this as we all feel powerless to take the gov on.
I try to instill some sense of camaraderie so that we can stand up as a people and I get complete indifference from my fellow Englishman. Instead everyone just heads to the pub and starts binge drinking as soon as Thursday night. Alcohol and cigarettes being used a passifier.
When I tell my colleagues: C’mon stand up for yourself, power!..they look at me like I am funny - as if experiencing oneself as powerful were an unknown and forgotten concept.
Inebriated sheep. Like you do when you give alcohol to a turkey before you kill it to cook it for Christmas ( My family lived in a big house for a time surrounded by petroleum wells as my stepfather worked for a Petroleum company in Brazil, that is why I mentioned British Petroleum - where we had livestock and that was how my Grandma taught me how the bird ended up served as dinner. I also saw our helpers catch a sheep and kill it for a barbecue party but they didn’t let me watch the blow to the head as I was only a child ).
Every time I get a ticket I feel like that sheep that gets the blow in the forehead ( As I did yesterday, $120 fine because the Autumn leaves were completely covering the double line - which my tax money pays for them to clear it - in spite of having overpaid, as usual otherwise it’s another $120 if you are late by 2 minutes, for parking thinking it was the correct space. Plus the street was full of empty places ).
Every time this government tightens control and enforces their self-interests we die a little as a people. Collective conscience starts with individual conscience; The British people need to wake up and get angry!
And, of course they need to reinforce these penalty/stealth taxes. [b]We[/b] are paying for Tony’s fabulous guns!
Now we know how all those cctv cameras are going to be monitored…
Games: Real-LIfe Distributed-Snooping Web Game To Launch In Britain on Thursday October 08, @03:23PM
Posted by timothy on Thursday October 08, @03:23PM
from the no-room-for-abuse-there dept.
government
privacy
games
corerunner writes ‘A new internet game is about to be launched which allows ‘super snooper’ players to plug into the nation’s CCTV cameras and report on members of the public committing crimes. The ‘Internet Eyes’ service involves players scouring thousands of CCTV cameras installed in shops, businesses and town centres across Britain looking for law-breakers. Players who help catch the most criminals each month will win cash prizes up to £1,000.’
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Up to 12 more Met officers are responsible for providing 24-hour armed protection at his �??�??�??�?�£3.5million home in Central London
OMG. I know I said I would just read but I drive by that house every week sometimes twice a day and I just have to slow down to look at those officers machine guns.
They are the biggest and most amazing I have ever seen on a police officer in Britain! Not even the American Embassy security has guns like that. Every single time I drive by that house and look at those officers I have asked myself: WHO LIVES HERE?! Who on earth needs so much security?
He must think himself extremely important.
I had no idea it was him who owned Connaught Square.
I thought it was a Saudi King!
And that picture is wrong. There are always and without fail two guards on the main door and two more on the other side of the street guarding the the mews. Plus police cars. I have been doing this journey for 1 year and a half. Always 2x2 guards with amazing guns.
He is very well protected isn’t he. He is never going to have to frantically dial 999 and wait for an operator to ask him to state the nature of his emergency while the door to his house is being kicked in is he. His wife is never going to have to hide in a closet clutching a dead phone while he is stabbed 15 times in the face like the couple in the home invasion story I posted earlier.
For the sake of expediency I have taken the liberty of writing Cockneyblue’s rebuttal for him. “Why it wouldn’t be proper for a man like Tony Blair to have to wait for the police to send a car around because he’s important unlike that awful commoner peasant Tony Martin who shot that poor lovable rogue Barras and his assistant Fereas.”
It would take a heavily armed entry team just to get into that house and they probably would run into surprises once they did and Special Branch would immediately send in reinforcements.
I would have no problem at all with Tony Blair having to wait for the police to turn up. The problem is that he is such a high profile target that the British Government have to protect him. If he was hit by a terrorist attack (domestic or international) it would be hugely bad press for the British. [/quote]
I wouldn’t have a problem with Tony waiting like everyone else either. I would love to see him have to deal with the same circumstances he as wished upon everyone else. If he had any integrity he would insist on dealing with lifes challeges the same way he has forced everyone else to.
The terrorsim arguement doesn’t only apply to Bliar. There are ordinary citizens who have to deal with domestic terrorists. ie Anyone who has filed a police complaint or given testimoney against gang members.
I doubt the issue is one of bad press.
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I doubt that he chose his security set up, I imagine that it was set up by experts in the close protection department of the CID. [/quote]
So the expert opinion of Britains top security experts is the way to properly secure the front door of a house so the people can’t rush the front door then harm the occupants is with an armed guard. Interesting.
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Sifu, I have a question for you. Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about the British anyway? Every country has positives and negatives. Every country has a huge variety of types of people however you seem to want to simplify things down to all British people being sheep that are being led around by the Labour party. [/quote]
Because my family is British. We are refugees from the British system. Almost my entire family lives over there. I have even spent a few years living over there and I may in the future spend some more over there because I like it over there and it is kind of cool having family. It is just too bad the government is such a disaster.
Maybe I do generalize but that is partly to stir things up to see who disagrees. Of course on the other hand I don’t see too many of the resident Brits disagreeing and one or two are in agreement. They really have been sheeple being led around by Labour and in May they are going to repeat by bringing in a Tory government that is almost just as bad.
There is also the issue of people over here in the US who look to Europe for ideas. The gun control people here (and there) are always comparing the US to European countries and saying “look at how safe it is in Europe compared to the US, it must be what they are doing with their laws”. Or consider the economic damage that has been caused by “value added tax”. I know it’s hard to believe but there are idiots who want to bring that VAT bullshit over here.
With the increasing influence of globalists and liberals like Obama the politics of Britain and the US are becoming intertwined. So by educating people here about what is going on over there can help bring the Americans on this board up to speed so that when some stupid idea from Britain is suggested by an American politician my peeps on this board will already have some idea of what it’s about.
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Every negative thing you have leveled against Britain could be equally leveled against the US or any other modern democracy but you are jumping over every mention of Britain like a cat round catnip. [/quote]
Fortunately America has constitutional protections for the people and limits on the government that Britain does not have. Britain is a lot worse off than the US. Sure I jump all over it, I have family who gave their lives fighting for Britain so why shouldn’t I?
Sifu, I have a question for you. Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about the British anyway? Every country has positives and negatives. Every country has a huge variety of types of people however you seem to want to simplify things down…
From this thread:
Cockney Blue wrote:
When your country actually grows up past it’s adolescense then the rest of the world might start to take it a bit more seriously. At the moment it is seen as the brash teenager who’s got a bit of money and thinks it is the dogs bollocks. The rest of the world is busy hiding the nice china and hoping the US will get bored and go and bother someone else with it’s boorish arrogance.
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Every negative thing you have leveled against Britain could be equally leveled against the US or any other modern democracy
This is where I hugely disagree with you, Cockney.
My experience of the English in particular is that they are sheepish. I have mentioned this before over the issue of the parking penalties and cctv camera charges against minor infractions.
In the US they would just shoot the damn cameras to sabotage this abuse by the authorities. [/quote]
ROFLMAO That is true. In Detroit I have seen traffic lights with chunks shot away on New Years day.
As I posted earlier the mass emigration out of Britain is draining the country of the best of it’s indigenous people. It takes drive and motivation to emigrate. What is being left behind of the indigenous people are the ones who don’t give a damn and have little motivation beyond popping down to the local for a couple of pints and maybe standing outside in the rain to have a fag. Then when you factor in the fact that most of the immigrants are coming from countries that right now or in their recent past have been authoritarian regimes with terrible human rights records so people are used to it, it makes sense that the British are a nation of sheep.
What is intersting is they will get really defensive when it is pointed out to them just how sheepish they really are, but they won’t do anything about changing their circumstances.
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Inebriated sheep. Like you do when you give alcohol to a turkey before you kill it to cook it for Christmas ( My family lived in a big house for a time surrounded by petroleum wells as my stepfather worked for a Petroleum company in Brazil, that is why I mentioned British Petroleum - where we had livestock and that was how my Grandma taught me how the bird ended up served as dinner. I also saw our helpers catch a sheep and kill it for a barbecue party but they didn’t let me watch the blow to the head as I was only a child ).
Every time I get a ticket I feel like that sheep that gets the blow in the forehead ( As I did yesterday, $120 fine because the Autumn leaves were completely covering the double line - which my tax money pays for them to clear it - in spite of having overpaid, as usual otherwise it’s another $120 if you are late by 2 minutes, for parking thinking it was the correct space. Plus the street was full of empty places ). [/quote]
The British really are bitches when it comes to squeezing fees or taxes out of people. One of the reasons why the British resent Americans so much is because the American revolution was a tax revolt. The Americans had the balls to stand up to his majesty’s taxman while the British never have. Balless bitches really resent those who have them.
They are also paying billions a year for Tony’s bribe to Europe so they would make him Europe’s first president.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Now we know how all those cctv cameras are going to be monitored…
Games: Real-LIfe Distributed-Snooping Web Game To Launch In Britain on Thursday October 08, @03:23PM
Posted by timothy on Thursday October 08, @03:23PM
from the no-room-for-abuse-there dept.
government
privacy
games
corerunner writes ‘A new internet game is about to be launched which allows ‘super snooper’ players to plug into the nation’s CCTV cameras and report on members of the public committing crimes. The ‘Internet Eyes’ service involves players scouring thousands of CCTV cameras installed in shops, businesses and town centres across Britain looking for law-breakers. Players who help catch the most criminals each month will win cash prizes up to Ã?£1,000.’[/quote]
Another good example of how they don’t think things through when they develop policy. I could imagine quite a few ways that making the CCTV system open to the public could make the system a useful tool for criminals.
Personally I would like to see more input from you ladies in here. [/quote] I don’t have much to contribute so I just try to educate myself instead. I was very keen on politics when I was 17 and it made me terribly angry with all the injustice and corruption I witnessed in Brazil so I didn’t just leave “my” country, I rejected it. I didn’t want to feel exiled like you, living there and longing to live over here some day - that is too nostalgic for me. My inclination before I left Brazil was to fight for the country, the people, the street children primarily but I couldn’t and the whole situation was just breaking my heart. I have been here 21 years and I have never looked back, never been back.
I don’t have a solution.
I am returning because I see what you are showing here, that the government in Britain is fascism masquerading as a democracy. It is the same as Brazil only more ‘civilized’, more deceitful, two faced, much like Important Tony: It is indeed very important to conceal one’s true motivations when you are looking after your own self interest - and he knows how to charm and pay lip service.[quote]
It’s good to have another point of view. Other than terrorism my primary reason for being so critical of Islam is the treatment of women in the islamic world. I would not want any of the women in my family to have to live like that. Not now, not in the future.[/quote]
That was my point about Hyde park. When I went to Egypt I did not walk around their people wearing a Brazilian bikini. I wasn’t dressed in black but I did cover up sufficiently out of respect for my hosts. Those Muslim women completely covered in black on a sunny day would be the equivalent of my fellow Brazilian women parading in Hyde Park with a G string and topless.
I actually felt like taking my shirt off and rollerblading in my bra just to ‘show them’. And that is how wars are started, lol. I am guilty as charged!
( Cockney, I may have passed by you - I used to Rollerblade there until last year when this Darth Vader KKK overtook Hyde Park and it put me off - it was depressing EXACTLY for what it symbolizes which is what Sifu just pointed out )[quote]
I try to take a Yin and Yang view of world events. But what I see in a lot of young British people is they have been indoctrinated so they view history solely with a modern sense of morality and values. There is no allowance for the possibility that maybe people back then didn’t know any better. There has been a concerted effort by liberals to lay a heavy guilt trip over historical events.[/quote]
I see, I did not know that. I was aware that our history books in Brazil had been manipulated and when I was there I rebelled and had a strong sense of what was truth but I had no idea this took place here also. [quote]
Another point is a lot of the British empire was achieved not through military conquest but just picking up the pieces of what was left of civilizations that had been devastated by the jihad. ie India.
So that is why I went after what you wrote because I have seen similar ideas from others over there. [/quote]
Clearly, I spoke in half ignorance. I don’t think it is excusable but it is understandable. One can also look at one’s countries history in a matter of fact, without feeling guilty: Yes, ‘our ancestors did this’ as opposed to we did this in the past. I find it unnecessary to have such strong attachments to one’s lineage. Then again that is easy for me to say as I don’t have 1 ounce of nationalism in my blood. I am, in the most literal sense of the word, my own person. My point of view is: The only thing I own in the whole world is my body. Nothing outside my body is mine.
I have never done anything to own or deserve “my” country. I don’t consider it a birth right. Birth right is my freedom of choice to move where my heart moves me.[quote]
The British have had the liberals lay a heavy guilt trip them about the nations past. With young people in school who don’t have the necessary philosophical basis to dissect the flaws in the arguement it is an easy thing to do. They will gladly tell them all about the bad that the British did [/quote] This is completely new to me. I had no idea. What is the purpose of the Liberals in doing this? To control the masses more easily, since shame weakens a persons character and capacity to fight?[quote]
One of the worst characteristics of the British is they do tend to be jealous bitches. When it comes to the Americans they have a lot to be jealous of.[/quote] It reads as a quiet, silent but seething resentment to me. Interesting to watch.[quote]
What I see is not a siege mentality. What I see is a people who have been abandoned by their leaders. The British elites are all into pusuing world causes that are all about other people from other parts of the world because issues closer to home just aren’t glamorous to get that all important pat on the head and a “goood boyyyy” from a celebrity like Bono.[/quote] I respect that, but why have they been abandoned?[quote]
ei Lady Diana was on a worldwide campaign against land mines because every year people are getting hurt and killed by these things. She would even pose for photographs with victims of land mines so the cause could have poster children. It gave her such a glamorous image to be caring about people in far flung wartorn regions. If she had picked a cause more close to home like wearing seat belts it wouldn’t have had the same cool factor even though thousands of people are maimed or killed every year because they were not wearing seat belts and as luck would have it she became a poster child for seatbelt use. If she had set her sights a lot closer to home it might have saved her own ass.[/quote] I see. I find that funny because one of my occupations is working for a company which helps rebuilt and protect English children’s lives. I have been assigned one teenage girl
( who already has a baby and is addicted to drugs ) and instead of sending my money to Romania or giving to charity or seeing 100 children and giving them a passing hug I find it much more fulfilling and meaningful to leave a positive mark in this one child’s life. I see her every two Saturdays and spend at least 3 hours together. We discuss from politics ( which I feed from here, so thank you guys! To fitness and art ). It is not hard work. It is being a good friend to someone who has lost everyone. My job is to support her non judgmentally, affect her positively and protect her from her foster parents and social worker if I become aware of anything inappropriate taking place or neglect. If every woman in Britain adopted a child like this I wonder how much self serving charities would we need to feed financially. No one wants to get involved - that is why. Let’s pay our taxes and elect the gov to take care of our abandoned children while we go vomit our excess alcohol down the pub.
I apologize. I just see so many could be a little more pro active participants in their own society. I appreciate some have children but I have also seen that even these are being abandoned to the care of TV and electronic games.
How much more would we need politicians and all these other money grabbing, self serving, glamor charity organizations if we all got our hands a little bit dirty, as it were, a little bit more involved in a personal way.
Diana was manipulative and self serving. Like many charities.[quote]
The present leadership in Westminster are called the Scottish mafia for good reason. Plus a few top cabinet members who aren’t Scottish are not totally English either. ie The Milliband brothers father was a Russian red army soldier or Jack Straw who said that the English are not a race who are worth saving is half Jewish. That is why they care so little about what they are doing to the people there because their heart isn’t with them.[/quote] This is crazy. Is that a fact? Who put these people in power, the immigrants?[quote]
Every negative thing you have leveled against Britain could be equally leveled against the US or any other modern democracy
This is where I hugely disagree with you, Cockney.
My experience of the English in particular is that they are sheepish. I have mentioned this before over the issue of the parking penalties and cctv camera charges against minor infractions.
In the US they would just shoot the damn cameras to sabotage this abuse by the authorities.
In Brazil they would just throw rocks and break it.
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Cameras in the UK regularly get shot with shotguns, run over with SUVs and smashed with rocks so not sure what your point is.
And this is exactly the same as 90% of people in the US or any other country.
Parking in London is a joke, that is why I never had a car there. If there were no signs letting you know the parking restrictions or if the lines were covered, take a photo and fight it. I know plenty of people that have got off parking fines for this.
I agree with you here but this is not really that different to the US. The only difference is that in the US people are starting to protest, but only about what they are told to on Fox news. So you get people sheepishly turning up at town hall meetings looking like total idiots screaming about death panels.
If the Sun started a big campaign to get people on the streets then you would see exactly the same in the UK.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Up to 12 more Met officers are responsible for providing 24-hour armed protection at his �??�??�??�??�?�£3.5million home in Central London
OMG. I know I said I would just read but I drive by that house every week sometimes twice a day and I just have to slow down to look at those officers machine guns.
They are the biggest and most amazing I have ever seen on a police officer in Britain! Not even the American Embassy security has guns like that. Every single time I drive by that house and look at those officers I have asked myself: WHO LIVES HERE?! Who on earth needs so much security?
He must think himself extremely important.
I had no idea it was him who owned Connaught Square.
I thought it was a Saudi King!
And that picture is wrong. There are always and without fail two guards on the main door and two more on the other side of the street guarding the the mews. Plus police cars. I have been doing this journey for 1 year and a half. Always 2x2 guards with amazing guns.
He is very well protected isn’t he. He is never going to have to frantically dial 999 and wait for an operator to ask him to state the nature of his emergency while the door to his house is being kicked in is he. His wife is never going to have to hide in a closet clutching a dead phone while he is stabbed 15 times in the face like the couple in the home invasion story I posted earlier.
For the sake of expediency I have taken the liberty of writing Cockneyblue’s rebuttal for him. “Why it wouldn’t be proper for a man like Tony Blair to have to wait for the police to send a car around because he’s important unlike that awful commoner peasant Tony Martin who shot that poor lovable rogue Barras and his assistant Fereas.”
It would take a heavily armed entry team just to get into that house and they probably would run into surprises once they did and Special Branch would immediately send in reinforcements.
I would have no problem at all with Tony Blair having to wait for the police to turn up. The problem is that he is such a high profile target that the British Government have to protect him. If he was hit by a terrorist attack (domestic or international) it would be hugely bad press for the British.
I wouldn’t have a problem with Tony waiting like everyone else either. I would love to see him have to deal with the same circumstances he as wished upon everyone else. If he had any integrity he would insist on dealing with lifes challeges the same way he has forced everyone else to.
The terrorsim arguement doesn’t only apply to Bliar. There are ordinary citizens who have to deal with domestic terrorists. ie Anyone who has filed a police complaint or given testimoney against gang members.
I doubt the issue is one of bad press.
I doubt that he chose his security set up, I imagine that it was set up by experts in the close protection department of the CID.
So the expert opinion of Britains top security experts is the way to properly secure the front door of a house so the people can’t rush the front door then harm the occupants is with an armed guard. Interesting.
Sifu, I have a question for you. Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet about the British anyway? Every country has positives and negatives. Every country has a huge variety of types of people however you seem to want to simplify things down to all British people being sheep that are being led around by the Labour party.
Because my family is British. We are refugees from the British system. Almost my entire family lives over there. I have even spent a few years living over there and I may in the future spend some more over there because I like it over there and it is kind of cool having family. It is just too bad the government is such a disaster.
Maybe I do generalize but that is partly to stir things up to see who disagrees. Of course on the other hand I don’t see too many of the resident Brits disagreeing and one or two are in agreement. They really have been sheeple being led around by Labour and in May they are going to repeat by bringing in a Tory government that is almost just as bad.
There is also the issue of people over here in the US who look to Europe for ideas. The gun control people here (and there) are always comparing the US to European countries and saying “look at how safe it is in Europe compared to the US, it must be what they are doing with their laws”. Or consider the economic damage that has been caused by “value added tax”. I know it’s hard to believe but there are idiots who want to bring that VAT bullshit over here.
With the increasing influence of globalists and liberals like Obama the politics of Britain and the US are becoming intertwined. So by educating people here about what is going on over there can help bring the Americans on this board up to speed so that when some stupid idea from Britain is suggested by an American politician my peeps on this board will already have some idea of what it’s about.
Every negative thing you have leveled against Britain could be equally leveled against the US or any other modern democracy but you are jumping over every mention of Britain like a cat round catnip.
Fortunately America has constitutional protections for the people and limits on the government that Britain does not have. Britain is a lot worse off than the US. Sure I jump all over it, I have family who gave their lives fighting for Britain so why shouldn’t I? [/quote]
One thing that I will fully agree with you on is that New Labour has been a disaster from start to finish. I remember when he got in, I was at University in Manchester and people were driving around the streets waving flags and beeping their horns. I was telling everyone that would listen that it was possibly the worst thing that could happen for the country and no-one wanted to hear it. I really wish I had been wrong on that one. Tony Blair just struck me as deeply dishonest from the first time I saw him.