[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
The British Working Class are complaining about immigration. The only realistic way to stem that immigration is to stop the pressure driving it. Therefore improving conditions in the countries that the people are coming from thereby decreasing the pressure to leave is good for the British Working class.
So, the British must subsidize these countries through “foriegn aid”, maybe even going to war often (gotta get rid of them despots), in order to achieve the same goal as having strict immigration policies? What?
Why not tell these otherwise intelligent, hardworking, liberty-minded people THEY’RE responsible for improving conditions in THEIR home countries. Hey, you’re doing the future citizens of these home countries a favor by keeping their talented people at home.
Who mentioned aid or war. What you need is trade.[/quote]
You are clueless. If Britain didn’t have millions of muslims living there, it would not be necessary for the British army to be in Afghanistan fighting to deny them an area to train and organise for jihad. But because muslims are living in Britain the British army has to go and fight in Afghanistan.
These are the latest immigration statistics (2005-2006) combined:
1 Poland 109
2 India 98
3 Australia 76
4 Pakistan 54
5 Germany 48
6 South Africa 47
7 USA 46
8 China 44
9 France 34
10 New Zealand 26
11 Spain 26
12 Bangladesh 20
13 Philippines 19
14 Nigeria 17
15 Japan 16
Let’s assume that all Pakistanis and all Bangladeshis are Muslims, together with 15% of the Indians and two thirds of the Nigerians. That make almost exactly 100.000 Muslims immigrating during those two years. From those you will have to subtract any Muslims emigrating. Probably only the Indian group is of any substance there. Let’s for arguments sake disregard those.
With a total net migration into the UK during those years of 400.000 (1.150.000 in, 750.000 out), the Muslim flood you are predicting is definitely not caused by immigration.
That leaves us with British-born Muslims. So, I ask you again: Are British citizens of a different ethnic background part of the people of the UK, or do they have a lesser status?
Just to clarify, this does not include illegal immigrants. Every country has a right to deport those.
Is Europe filled with deaf, dumb and blind clowns like this?
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Thats a good question, have just spent some time in Holland, training and chasing girls, good time was had by all but you know the one question that the majority of Dutch people that were not of Muslim faith would ask, what is our country going to become with the Muslim population base in Holland, it was the one constant question from them.
Is Europe filled with deaf, dumb and blind clowns like this?
Thats a good question, have just spent some time in Holland, training and chasing girls, good time was had by all but you know the one question that the majority of Dutch people that were not of Muslim faith would ask, what is our country going to become with the Muslim population base in Holland, it was the one constant question from them.
Sorry, the task is to isolate them within their group and starve them.
Great idea!
Isolate them IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
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Fair enough. How do you isolate a McVeigh type? Or the Sikhs who blew up a plane to Canada 20 years ago. I myself escaped an IRA bombing becaus of a last minute change of mind. Do you ring-fence Boston, where the finance came from?
“Muslim” terrorism is only one of many manifestations of terrorism. If you had lived through the seventies in Europe, we had the extreme left, the extreme right, Basque nationalists, Irish nationalists, anarchists and even some Algerian muslim fundamentalists. 9/11 was by far the most appalling act of terrorism we have seen, but it is not in itself different from what we dealt with over 20 years.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
[quote]300andabove wrote:
You lot really do love making stuff complicated.
I’m an English citizen born, bred and i have a vote
Illegal Immigrants neither are a citizen, have the right to vote or any rights AT ALL in ENGLAND
So take those 2 points add them together = English citizens get to decide WHO can come, WHO can stay and WHO gets to get the fuck out.
In 10 years we will NOT be part of the EU, i cannot WAIT for that day when they get everyone together and kick them the fuck out of MY country which MY parents, MY grandparents have helped build through PAYING TAXES.
Once the conservatives get into power, they will throw Lisbon out, THEN they will hold another referendum on what England’s role in the EU is and whether we should stay.
I promise you all now, i doubt 30% of England will vote to stay with the EU. Been NOTHING but fucking trouble since we joined.
So if that makes me a racist GRAND i’m a racist for preferring my country ran by ENGLISH people and ENGLISH people deciding the rule of law in this country.
All you crying heart liberals really make me ill, people like you who vote for Labour made this country so crap and turned it into a doormat for looney bin islamists to PUBLICLY proclaim ENGLAND will be bombed soon and we deserve it.
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I hate to be the one to point this out to you but your country is currently run by a Scottish bloke who reports into a family of Germans.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
OK so you are totally comfortable with your overtly racist views. At least you are honest about it.
He hasn’t said anything racist, he just doesn’t like immigration. He has a right to not like immigration.
Thank you and WTF ?
Because i don’t want English people to be a minority in their OWN COUNTRY i’m racist ???
You sure your from Manchester ???
If you were i dunno how your not AGREEING with me…
I work and hang with people who are not of English descent, that doesn’t mean i still cannot be proud of my country and wish to have it not turned into so politically correct we can’t even celebrate Christmas without being hounded for it.
It was the Johnny Foreigner comment. Basically you are saying that people from other countries have different rights to those that you have based on nothing more than their race.
What the ???
No based on where they were born. That’s the MAIN reason for the rise of BNP in Manchester, families are being pushed off the housing list to give them to asylum seekers and others, due to goverment bylaws.
So to re-iterate ENGLISH born people are NOT GETTING HOMES so they can be given to NON- ENGLISH people because of our idiotic governments non existent immigration policies and roll out the red carpet to bend over for the idiotic EU.
If thats racist then mate your logic is severely screwy. Since when is it racist to look after your OWN countrymen first, guests second ???
Your last statement is the very definition of racism, treating people differently based on where they are from.
Cock your statement is the very definition of stupidity. It is your stupid attitude that is causing all the trouble in Britain. Your views are contradictory of one another. You are a hypocrite who picks and chooses ideology to suit your purpose and you think we are to stupid to see what you are doing.
When it suits your purpose we are all individuals and should be treated as such. But when it doesn’t suit your purpose it’s wrong to treat people differently because they are all the same.
ie A few pages back we discussed the Pakistani tube bombers. Then you indignantly chastised me that your mates back at Uni were Pakistanis who were perfectly wonderful blokes and it is wrong to treast Pakistanis as being all the same. Now you want to go after above300 and chastise him that is is wrong to not treat people as being all the same.
Your love of revising history explains why you side with the holocaust deniers.
You stated that all Pakistanis should be thrown out of Britain because they are terrorists who hate Britain. I pointed out how stupid your argument was.
No I did not. The problem is we don’t know who is who. What we do know their religion teaches hatred of and violence towards others. Whether or not all of them or only a handful answer their religions calls to violence is not the issue. The issue is they are guests in someone elses homeland, it is not fair that they repay their hosts with the violence that their religion encourages. It is not fair that my family and friends have to have their lives put in jeapordy anytime we get on public transport just so they can practice their bullshit religion.
We shouldn’t have to play needles in haystacks with them. If the so-called moderates had any real decency that would take critical look at the life of mohammad and do the right thing. That way it would be a lot easier to figure out who is who. But because they don’t do the right thing they make it harder for everyone else. That is why it is perfectly alright to treat them as one.
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So kick out all the Pakistanis because some have extreme religious beliefs that they are prepared to kill people over.
Does that mean we get to kick out all of the Irish and the Americans for that matter?
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Edit: I defy you to show where I have ever engaged in holocaust denial. I have friends who lost their entire family in the holocaust. I’ve been to Dachau. I don’t doubt the holocaust at all. If anything I think the estimate of six million daed Jews might be an underestimate. [/quote]
You support the views of Nick Griffin who is on record as denying the holocaust.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
orion wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
It was the Johnny Foreigner comment. Basically you are saying that people from other countries have different rights to those that you have based on nothing more than their race.
If someone wasn’t born in your country, they have no “right” to live in your country.
If someone wasn’t born into an aristocratic family they have no right to work in certain possesions or to own land.
All that is happening is class war all over again. People naturally want to define themselves as a discrete group by keeping others on the outside.
I know that the label “Marxist” gets thrown around too much in this forum, but what you just said is some Marxist bullshit if ever I’ve seen it. The people whose blood and sweat build a nation have the right to make the laws of that nation. As part of those laws, they can decide what people and how many can come into their nation, and what tests those people have to pass to become citizens of that nation. You obviously subscribe to the wacko idea that borders are immoral. If that’s the case, you can just say it and I won’t waste anymore time trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.
I believe that arbitrarily drawn lines on maps are a bit ridiculous. I understand that they are at the moment a necessary evil however the way to deal with immigration is not to shut the doors tight and hope the problem goes away it is to work out what the force is that is driving the movement of people and work on the issue at its source.
Let us say that they live in countries I might call “medieval shitholes”.
How is that “our” problem and why should we deal with ideas that made their countries medieval shitholes?
Because it is in our best interests.
No it’s not. Or best interests is to quarantine them in their shitholes until they sort out their society so that it is compatable with the rest of us. [/quote]
OK, come on, I know you want to go the next step and type what you really think!
[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
The British Working Class are complaining about immigration. The only realistic way to stem that immigration is to stop the pressure driving it. Therefore improving conditions in the countries that the people are coming from thereby decreasing the pressure to leave is good for the British Working class.
So, the British must subsidize these countries through “foriegn aid”, maybe even going to war often (gotta get rid of them despots), in order to achieve the same goal as having strict immigration policies? What?
Why not tell these otherwise intelligent, hardworking, liberty-minded people THEY’RE responsible for improving conditions in THEIR home countries. Hey, you’re doing the future citizens of these home countries a favor by keeping their talented people at home.
The point is that tougher immigration policies will not solve the issue, all you get is lots of people turning up illegally (like you see in the US.) It also doesn’t solve the issue of the millions of people already in the country.
You are on drugs. Of course changing policy can affect what is happening. If people are there illegally they can be removed. They also can be denied access to a whole range of social services. Just taking away the preferential treatment in housing for immigrants would do lot to slow the flood. [/quote]
I would be interested to see more about the preferential policies to immigrants for housing. Could you point me to the government documents that outline these?
These are the latest immigration statistics (2005-2006) combined:
1 Poland 109
2 India 98
3 Australia 76
4 Pakistan 54
5 Germany 48
6 South Africa 47
7 USA 46
8 China 44
9 France 34
10 New Zealand 26
11 Spain 26
12 Bangladesh 20
13 Philippines 19
14 Nigeria 17
15 Japan 16
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The first problem is if those are official statistics, they are not accurate. Several years ago Labour abandoned all immigration controls. Since there no longer are any controls noone is even counting. So nobody knows exactly how many have come in since then. The only thing that anyone can agree on is that the official numbers are the lowest guess and that the true numbers are much higher.
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Let’s assume that all Pakistanis and all Bangladeshis are Muslims, together with 15% of the Indians and two thirds of the Nigerians. That make almost exactly 100.000 Muslims immigrating during those two years. From those you will have to subtract any Muslims emigrating. Probably only the Indian group is of any substance there. Let’s for arguments sake disregard those. [/quote]
Look homeboy, don’t try patronizing me like I am some idiot who doesn’t read the British newspapers or have any clue as to just how dishonest the Labour government is. If between 2001 -08 the official estimate of the muslim population jumped from 1.2 million to 2.5 million that is a lot more than 100,000 over two years. Plus the official number is probably much lower than the true figure.
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With a total net migration into the UK during those years of 400.000 (1.150.000 in, 750.000 out), the Muslim flood you are predicting is definitely not caused by immigration. [/quote]
You are playing loose and fast with those figures. Even IF your net immigration figure of 400,000 was accurrate it does not at all reflect what is happening deomgraphically. But for the sake of arguement I’ll use your numbers. Of the 750,000 emigrants probably about 725,000 of those are indiginous people who have job skills and are leaving for somewhere that doesn’t resemble a third world shithole like Britain increasingly does. Of the 1,150,000 immigrants almost all of them are fleeing third world shitholes.
So the overall effect of your numbers on the demographics of Britain is over 700,000 of the educated, skilled, productive, cream of the white population gone and over a million third worlders either taking their place or competing with the lower class whites who don’t have the job skills to emigrate.
That is a big change in the nation’s demographics that government types like you, try to cover up and minimise with misleading terms like “net immigration”.
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That leaves us with British-born Muslims. So, I ask you again: Are British citizens of a different ethnic background part of the people of the UK, or do they have a lesser status? [/quote]
The issue of British born muslims is something that they need to take very seriously and they need to start right now. Just because they are born there it does not mean that they are somehow magically going to throw off their culture and become like the British. One of the traditional muslim strategies for taking over a place is outbreeding their neighbors. That is why the British need to get a handle on the problem now.
Whether or not they are part of the people isn’t going to be the issue of a persons status. The way things are going right now it is going to be the ethnic white British who are going to end up being the lower caste. Already now we hear comments from politicians about how “lazy” or lacking in morals the British are compared to the immigrants.
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Just to clarify, this does not include illegal immigrants. Every country has a right to deport those. [/quote]
The problem though is there have been a lot of legal immigrants who should not have been let in either. Whether or not it is their fault that Labour let them in isn’t what’s important. What is important is Labour has engaged in a massive social engineering project to turn the white British people into nothing but alcoholic white trash living on council estates. Which itself will only last until the country becomes a sharia state. Then what is left of the British will be repeatedly flogged for drinking alcohol and the women will all be stoned to death for adultry.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
300andabove wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
OK so you are totally comfortable with your overtly racist views. At least you are honest about it.
He hasn’t said anything racist, he just doesn’t like immigration. He has a right to not like immigration.
Thank you and WTF ?
Because i don’t want English people to be a minority in their OWN COUNTRY i’m racist ???
You sure your from Manchester ???
If you were i dunno how your not AGREEING with me…
I work and hang with people who are not of English descent, that doesn’t mean i still cannot be proud of my country and wish to have it not turned into so politically correct we can’t even celebrate Christmas without being hounded for it.
It was the Johnny Foreigner comment. Basically you are saying that people from other countries have different rights to those that you have based on nothing more than their race.
What the ???
No based on where they were born. That’s the MAIN reason for the rise of BNP in Manchester, families are being pushed off the housing list to give them to asylum seekers and others, due to goverment bylaws.
So to re-iterate ENGLISH born people are NOT GETTING HOMES so they can be given to NON- ENGLISH people because of our idiotic governments non existent immigration policies and roll out the red carpet to bend over for the idiotic EU.
If thats racist then mate your logic is severely screwy. Since when is it racist to look after your OWN countrymen first, guests second ???
Your last statement is the very definition of racism, treating people differently based on where they are from.
Cock your statement is the very definition of stupidity. It is your stupid attitude that is causing all the trouble in Britain. Your views are contradictory of one another. You are a hypocrite who picks and chooses ideology to suit your purpose and you think we are to stupid to see what you are doing.
When it suits your purpose we are all individuals and should be treated as such. But when it doesn’t suit your purpose it’s wrong to treat people differently because they are all the same.
ie A few pages back we discussed the Pakistani tube bombers. Then you indignantly chastised me that your mates back at Uni were Pakistanis who were perfectly wonderful blokes and it is wrong to treast Pakistanis as being all the same. Now you want to go after above300 and chastise him that is is wrong to not treat people as being all the same.
Your love of revising history explains why you side with the holocaust deniers.
You stated that all Pakistanis should be thrown out of Britain because they are terrorists who hate Britain. I pointed out how stupid your argument was.
No I did not. The problem is we don’t know who is who. What we do know their religion teaches hatred of and violence towards others. Whether or not all of them or only a handful answer their religions calls to violence is not the issue. The issue is they are guests in someone elses homeland, it is not fair that they repay their hosts with the violence that their religion encourages. It is not fair that my family and friends have to have their lives put in jeapordy anytime we get on public transport just so they can practice their bullshit religion.
We shouldn’t have to play needles in haystacks with them. If the so-called moderates had any real decency that would take critical look at the life of mohammad and do the right thing. That way it would be a lot easier to figure out who is who. But because they don’t do the right thing they make it harder for everyone else. That is why it is perfectly alright to treat them as one.
So kick out all the Pakistanis because some have extreme religious beliefs that they are prepared to kill people over.[/quote]
What else can you do? Islam is incompatable with the British way of life. They are never going to integrate with the British. What is happening is there are two tribes on two very different paths occupying the same small patch of land. Right now the British are the majority and they just take it for granted that they will continue to be the majority. But that isn’t going to happen unless British return themselves to a more traditional role and start prducing a lot more babies just like their muslim counterparts. If young British women would dedicate themselves to having at least 8-15 babies, the muslims would not be as much of an issue.
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Does that mean we get to kick out all of the Irish and the Americans for that matter?[/quote]
Are they looking to take over the country and impose a culture that British don’t want? Do American men force their women into a birthing competition with their neighbors and deny them any life outside of the home?
I don’t support his views on a whole range of issues. From his now recanted views on the holocaust, to his views on Iraq, Afghanistan or his plans to bring back Birching to their nonstance on gun control. But the BNP is the only party that will make a serious effort to stop the muslims from taking over. None of the other parties sees anything wrong with islam and even the BNP is kind of weak on it too. But the BNP is all there is right now.
The BNP is also the only party that will do something about the EU takeover.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
orion wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Uncle Gabby wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
It was the Johnny Foreigner comment. Basically you are saying that people from other countries have different rights to those that you have based on nothing more than their race.
If someone wasn’t born in your country, they have no “right” to live in your country.
If someone wasn’t born into an aristocratic family they have no right to work in certain possesions or to own land.
All that is happening is class war all over again. People naturally want to define themselves as a discrete group by keeping others on the outside.
I know that the label “Marxist” gets thrown around too much in this forum, but what you just said is some Marxist bullshit if ever I’ve seen it. The people whose blood and sweat build a nation have the right to make the laws of that nation. As part of those laws, they can decide what people and how many can come into their nation, and what tests those people have to pass to become citizens of that nation. You obviously subscribe to the wacko idea that borders are immoral. If that’s the case, you can just say it and I won’t waste anymore time trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.
I believe that arbitrarily drawn lines on maps are a bit ridiculous. I understand that they are at the moment a necessary evil however the way to deal with immigration is not to shut the doors tight and hope the problem goes away it is to work out what the force is that is driving the movement of people and work on the issue at its source.
Let us say that they live in countries I might call “medieval shitholes”.
How is that “our” problem and why should we deal with ideas that made their countries medieval shitholes?
Because it is in our best interests.
No it’s not. Or best interests is to quarantine them in their shitholes until they sort out their society so that it is compatable with the rest of us.
OK, come on, I know you want to go the next step and type what you really think![/quote]
I have been very clear about what I think. Pakistan is nothing like Britain. Until they have sorted out their culture so it is compatible with western culture it is cultural suicide to allow large numbers of them to flood into wetsern countries. Even small numbers is a problem because they treat their women like chattel and force them to keep them having babies instead of a life.
