The Worst Persecuted Race in History?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Almost every ethnic and cultural group has been persecuted at some point. My Celtic and German ancestors were conquered and pretty much enslaved by the Romans. The Irish got treated like absolute shit by the British Empire and even here in the U.S. when they first arrived.

I also want to add that almost every tribe/ethnicity/race that survives today at one point had to conquer territory and resources from others. That’s just the way the old-school game of survival worked. Think about the Muslim conquests from Spain to India, or the territory the Mongols and Turkic steppe peoples took over. Think about how the Aztec Empire conquered and subjugated weaker tribes of the same ‘race’. Think about the seasonal warfare between Native Americans and sub-Saharan Africans. Think about how the Muslims back in the Middle Ages were the ones who really started the sub-Saharan African slave trade on a huge scale (seriously do research on this before you bitch about Western slavery practices).

I’m bringing all this up because I am sick and fucking tired of the guilt trip that Whites endlessly receive for Imperialism. We weren’t the first to conquer a whole lot of shit – we just did it the best. And so the endless guilt train rolls on…

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

and whites (#2). They were driven out of Africa,

Except they were not ‘white’ when they left there.
So maybe what you are saying is the weaker black males were driven out and paled out and became the ‘whites’ high IQ civilized brutality which is our society of today.

I don’t see any core differentiation.

Both America and Britain are revealing themselves for the economic ‘shitholes’ that they really are.

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This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. There is archaeological evidence of large migrations out of sub-Saharan Africa northward to the Middle East and then Asia and Europe. Those who migrated obviously had mates with them, and maybe even small families. The “weaker” ones would not have had mates to reproduce with. Perhaps the more intelligent and ambitious ones left to find a more favorable locale, which eventually gave rise to the early hunter-gatherer mode. This probably explains why humanity’s greatest explorers have traditionally been from the farther reaches(ie Europe and Asia). You might want to replace “weaker” with more intelligent, ambitious, and possessing greater self-control.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
meangenes wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Caucasians.

They were chased out of warm parts of the globe and had to go to cold and miserable places, like England. There they developed the brains and will power to dominate the globe.

East Asians were also driven far from home but got somewhat better living conditions, such as in Japan.

All these things made the East Asians and Whites the smartest people on the planet; so they now dominate the ignorant savages in places like Zimbabwe (where the dumb fucks kill off the few remaining white farmers, the very people who feed the dumb ignorant fucks).

Source?

And how do you know they weren’t trying to get away from the “dumb fucks”?

With this rhetoric I think you should move to Zimbabwe and become a farmer. Maybe you can save them; be a hero, you know? Now that’s a solution, you smart white man you.

Numerous studies have shown that IQ, independent of culture, is higher amongst East Asians (#1) and whites (#2). They were driven out of Africa, being the lower testosterone people, and kept being driven further on.

Black men have higher Testosterone levels today. This prevents them from having democracies as their test levels make them want to kill each other (Robert Mugabe, for ex). Its why most cons in prison are black. In this case, too much testosterone is a bad thing.

Black people in Africa should BEG the whites to come back and run their shitholes. I say this out of empathy for the suffering black people there.

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You sir, are a prime example of how modern Western education systems have failed us by teaching us not to question where our information comes from.

Wouldn’t you be more at home on a BNP forum, Mr. Junior KKK?

There have never been any meaningful studies into the subject because it is UNETHICAL you absolute tool.

If you really do think that all Africans are “Dumb” and all white people are intelligent, or even that there is a difference in the averages, then you are not only a moron, but a tosser as well.

Not only are IQ tests of questionable value, you may want to look at the education systems in place in these respective countries.

Once you’ve done that, you may want to go and read some real history books and stop listening to what extreme-right fools on internet forums are offering up as evidence.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
meangenes wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Caucasians.

They were chased out of warm parts of the globe and had to go to cold and miserable places, like England. There they developed the brains and will power to dominate the globe.

East Asians were also driven far from home but got somewhat better living conditions, such as in Japan.

All these things made the East Asians and Whites the smartest people on the planet; so they now dominate the ignorant savages in places like Zimbabwe (where the dumb fucks kill off the few remaining white farmers, the very people who feed the dumb ignorant fucks).

Source?

And how do you know they weren’t trying to get away from the “dumb fucks”?

With this rhetoric I think you should move to Zimbabwe and become a farmer. Maybe you can save them; be a hero, you know? Now that’s a solution, you smart white man you.

Numerous studies have shown that IQ, independent of culture, is higher amongst East Asians (#1) and whites (#2). They were driven out of Africa, being the lower testosterone people, and kept being driven further on.

Black men have higher Testosterone levels today. This prevents them from having democracies as their test levels make them want to kill each other (Robert Mugabe, for ex). Its why most cons in prison are black. In this case, too much testosterone is a bad thing.

Black people in Africa should BEG the whites to come back and run their shitholes. I say this out of empathy for the suffering black people there.

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Fuckin hell man you are nuts! Do you actually believe the shit you are spouting or are you taking the piss? I won’t even justify these comments with an actual response because you are clearly bonkers!!!

SIEG HEIL whoop whoop whoop whoop…

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
If you really do think that all Africans are “Dumb” and all white people are intelligent, or even that there is a difference in the averages, then you are not only a moron, but a tosser as well.
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There is plenty of scientific evidence that there is a difference in average intelligence between races. And it isn’t limited to IQ; it includes other measures such as g.

And I don’t think it is racist to point it out. All these studies point to South-East asians having the highest general intelligence. Something a white supremacist would never want to admit.

The scientific consensus is that there are differences in intelligence between races. Not huge ones but they exist; Just as different races have slightly different physical attributes. It certainly doesn’t mean a black person can’t be a aeronautical engineer anymore than it means a white person can’t be a basketball player.

HH is certainly right about one thing though “Black people in Africa should BEG the whites to come back and run their shitholes.” Talking to people from Zimbabwe it was much better for them under European rule than it has been under Mugabe.

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You don’t have to be a white supremacist to be racist. However, assuming, on the basis of no independent, objective and meaningful scientific study, that human beings with different skin colours differ in average intelligence according to that characteristic, and based on no external factor, is racist.

It makes me sick. Before you criticise black people in Africa for wanting a government not run by Europeans, and that they should “BEG” the white people to come back and govern, try reading a little bit about the original colonisation of Africa. The Boer War too. Read your history, form your own opinions from the sources, question those sources, and stop swallowing bullshit rhetoric from everyone who seems to make sense to you. Do your self a favour and read a real source, i.e. NOT wikipedia.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

HH is certainly right about one thing though “Black people in Africa should BEG the whites to come back and run their shitholes.” Talking to people from Zimbabwe it was much better for them under European rule than it has been under Mugabe.[/quote]

LOL who the fuck would either of you know from Zimbabwe?Some white ‘When we’s’?The odd political refugee even?You know many rank and file black Zimbabweans?
That’s what I thought.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
You don’t have to be a white supremacist to be racist. However, assuming, on the basis of no independent, objective and meaningful scientific study, that human beings with different skin colours differ in average intelligence according to that characteristic, and based on no external factor, is racist.
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Key phrase: on the basis of no independent, objective and meaningful scientific study

This topic has been done to death both in PWI & Sherdog forums (and other places no doubt). There are plenty of independent, objective and meaningful scientific studies that show exactly that.

Of course there are disputes about how exactly to measure intelligence. And flaws have been discussed for for g & IQ. However they both act as solid indicators of success in the western world.

Please go look up these threads. A search on T-Nation for race and intelligence should bring up plenty.

Can you tell me why you think it is such a big deal? It wouldn’t bother me if the average intelligence of white people was below that of blacks.

[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
It makes me sick. Before you criticise black people in Africa for wanting a government not run by Europeans, and that they should “BEG” the white people to come back and govern, try reading a little bit about the original colonisation of Africa. The Boer War too. Read your history, form your own opinions from the sources, question those sources, and stop swallowing bullshit rhetoric from everyone who seems to make sense to you. Do your self a favour and read a real source, i.e. NOT wikipedia.[/quote]

I have. And Sub-Saharan Africa was a screwed up place long before European colonisation.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:

LOL who the fuck would either of you know from Zimbabwe?Some white ‘When we’s’?The odd political refugee even?You know many rank and file black Zimbabweans?
That’s what I thought.
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Actually quite a few black Zimbabweans study at my university. I highly doubt they are rank and file. The rank and file wouldn’t have the money or the education to come study in Australia.

Still it is clear there is a lot of truth to what they are saying. When you have a reasonably stable country under Euro rule and then change to a starving shithole under Mugabe with huge inflation do you think the rank and file black Zimbabwean is better off now? And why?

And all the South Africans I have met have told me what a shithole Zimbabwe is. And that Zimbabwe is causing huge problems for South Africa with all the people trying to escape from Zimbabwe into South Africa. And just so you know there are thousands of South Africans living in my city in Australia and even more studying here. I’m not sure why but there are.

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Yes,they are certainly not rank and file if they are studying in Aus.I know more than a few of the more ‘average’ Zimbabweans that do business on both sides of the border,and some of the ‘problematic’ ones your friends describe as ‘ruining the country’.To stay on point,let me inform you that while they all to a man call Mugabe exactly what he is,a murderous despot,not one of them would go back to white minority rule.Ever.

Is Zim fucked?Yes it is.But if you were a black man in Zim when it was Rhodesia,or in apartheid S.A.,you were fucked for life.You have no idea how things were then for them,and neither do your young friends.Speak to some older black Zimbabweans that actually lived under the regime back then,and you may get a little insight into how it was.So while you’re entitled to your opinion,I’m just as entitled to tell you it is mistaken.

Many other places in the world are fucked too.Do you think any of those other countries would for a second consider going back to whatever colonial rule existed prior,even if it was an orderly colony??If so,then you have a totally erroneous view of human nature.

Would you live like a serf with no hope of dignity in order to have an illusion of prosperity?Or would you rather live in your own country,even if it is a shithole,as an equal with your fellows?

As for the Saffers in Oz,that’s for another time.

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[quote]Squash85 wrote:
Alpha F wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

and whites (#2). They were driven out of Africa,

Except they were not ‘white’ when they left there.
So maybe what you are saying is the weaker black males were driven out and paled out and became the ‘whites’ high IQ civilized brutality which is our society of today.

I don’t see any core differentiation.

Both America and Britain are revealing themselves for the economic ‘shitholes’ that they really are.

This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. There is archaeological evidence of large migrations out of sub-Saharan Africa northward to the Middle East and then Asia and Europe. Those who migrated obviously had mates with them, and maybe even small families. The “weaker” ones would not have had mates to reproduce with. Perhaps the more intelligent and ambitious ones left to find a more favorable locale, which eventually gave rise to the early hunter-gatherer mode. This probably explains why humanity’s greatest explorers have traditionally been from the farther reaches(ie Europe and Asia). You might want to replace “weaker” with more intelligent, ambitious, and possessing greater self-control.

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I was just trying to get into HH head.

You may want to address your post at him for the replacement. I am happy either way since intelligence, ambition and self-control/repression can be manifestations of weakness.

Hitler possessed all those qualities.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
meangenes wrote:
HH none of this means that whites are more moral than any other race. They just find different way to persecute eachother. Economic for instance. Government corruption is rampant in sovereign nations.

http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm

Who said they were more moral? They simply would run Africa better than people like Robert Mugabe.

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Well HH, the way I see it is: Persecution is immoral; the individual or institution that persecutes more is more immoral; in the context of immorality, more persecution means more immorality. Government corruption is immoral and in some cases (i.e. government unto civilians) this would constitute persecution. See the correlation?

According to worldaudit.org Zimbabwe still ranks in the lowest 15th percentile. Lower in government corruption than say, Sweden.

You’re pointing the finger at an individual. In this instance I would be pointing the finger at a group of individuals. Hence more immorality/corruption/persecution.

Basically in these ‘sovereign’ nations there are more ‘Mugabes’ but to a lesser degree of immorality. And we just don’t have enough fingers to point.

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[quote]meangenes wrote:

Basically in these ‘sovereign’ nations there are more ‘Mugabes’ but to a lesser degree of immorality. And we just don’t have enough fingers to point.[/quote]

But that is ok because it’s done with intelligence, ambition and self-control.

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[quote]Alpha F wrote:
meangenes wrote:

Basically in these ‘sovereign’ nations there are more ‘Mugabes’ but to a lesser degree of immorality. And we just don’t have enough fingers to point.

But that is ok because it’s done with intelligence, ambition and self-control.[/quote]

Aha! I just found my calling. Thank you everyone and please understand that at one point, my intentions were good. Law school, here I come.

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Definitely Jews IMO. Unlike every other persecuted race they are, on average, unbelievably successful, which doesnt draw much sympathy.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:
RTJenforcer wrote:
If you really do think that all Africans are “Dumb” and all white people are intelligent, or even that there is a difference in the averages, then you are not only a moron, but a tosser as well.

There is plenty of scientific evidence that there is a difference in average intelligence between races. And it isn’t limited to IQ; it includes other measures such as g.

And I don’t think it is racist to point it out. All these studies point to South-East asians having the highest general intelligence. Something a white supremacist would never want to admit.

The scientific consensus is that there are differences in intelligence between races. Not huge ones but they exist; Just as different races have slightly different physical attributes. It certainly doesn’t mean a black person can’t be a aeronautical engineer anymore than it means a white person can’t be a basketball player.

HH is certainly right about one thing though “Black people in Africa should BEG the whites to come back and run their shitholes.” Talking to people from Zimbabwe it was much better for them under European rule than it has been under Mugabe.[/quote]

Yep. Unless one makes the argument that terrible self-rule is better than foreign rule that is stable, the people there were often better off.

There used to be road that ran the length of the Congo (country) from east to west. Used to take a day to drive it. Now takes a month, according to all reports. No one fixes or maintains it and God help you if the bandits catch you.

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[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
To stay on point,let me inform you that while they all to a man call Mugabe exactly what he is,a murderous despot,not one of them would go back to white minority rule.Ever.
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Yet Zimbabwe could solve a lot of problems if they got over their hate of white people.

I’m not suggesting going back to white minority rule. I’m suggesting that Zimbabweans listen to the advice of ‘evil’ whitey for how to run their country. Because A) They don’t know how themselves and B) The average white person cares more about them than the current government.

The problem from what I can see is that nobody in Zimbabwe would listen to a white person. That is understandable; I didn’t have to go through what they have at the hands of white people. However it is counterproductive.

China is taking over Africa. South Africa is in a position where it can brush off Chinese advances. Zimbabwe isn’t.

I’m sure Zimbabweans won’t enjoy minority Chinese rule either but that is what will happen over the next 100 years unless Zimbabwe gets its act together.

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Would you live like a serf with no hope of dignity in order to have an illusion of prosperity?Or would you rather live in your own country,even if it is a shithole,as an equal with your fellows?
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Why can’t you have reasonable middle ground? Personally I would get the fuck out of Zimbabwe. Home country or not it is screwed. And like I said with China moving into Africa there is no hope for the Zimbabwean people. So the situation they are in now is living as a serf with no hope of dignity in a shithole of a country.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
To stay on point,let me inform you that while they all to a man call Mugabe exactly what he is,a murderous despot,not one of them would go back to white minority rule.Ever.

Yet Zimbabwe could solve a lot of problems if they got over their hate of white people.

I’m not suggesting going back to white minority rule. I’m suggesting that Zimbabweans listen to the advice of ‘evil’ whitey for how to run their country. Because A) They don’t know how themselves and B) The average white person cares more about them than the current government.

The problem from what I can see is that nobody in Zimbabwe would listen to a white person. That is understandable; I didn’t have to go through what they have at the hands of white people. However it is counterproductive.

China is taking over Africa. South Africa is in a position where it can brush off Chinese advances. Zimbabwe isn’t.

I’m sure Zimbabweans won’t enjoy minority Chinese rule either but that is what will happen over the next 100 years unless Zimbabwe gets its act together.

Neuromancer wrote:
Would you live like a serf with no hope of dignity in order to have an illusion of prosperity?Or would you rather live in your own country,even if it is a shithole,as an equal with your fellows?

Why can’t you have reasonable middle ground? Personally I would get the fuck out of Zimbabwe. Home country or not it is screwed. And like I said with China moving into Africa there is no hope for the Zimbabwean people. So the situation they are in now is living as a serf with no hope of dignity in a shithole of a country.[/quote]

How do you know Zimbabweans across the board hate white people?That’s a a hell of a statement.I have never experienced anything of the sort.Using Mugabe as your template for what Zimbos are like is like saying all Iraquis thought as Saddam did.I’m interested in hearing how you came to that conclusion.

The Chinese have an interest in the mineral wealth on tap here,and appear to be far more willing to engineer a win/win situation for the locals than any colonialist power or multinational ever did,so I can understand their appeal for the African countries were they are expanding their footprint.That may of course be a deceptive facade.Only time will tell.

As far as hope for Zim,the scrapping of the Zim dollar and legal adoption of foreign currency as legal tender has brought the inflationary process to a halt.The unity government with the MDC has shown that the madman knows his days are numbered.He’s 80 something years old and no one lives forever.All the Zimbabweans I know want to go back,and I think when he does step down/expire,there will be a mass movement back,in a gradual manner.We’ll see.