The Worst of the Worst

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[quote]The Bambino wrote:
I don’t know if anyone has seen the photographs of the German Emo cutter girl? I stumbled upon it on Encyclopedia Dramatica one evening, and it just bothered the shit outta me. Like I almost got sick in my stomach, and then I was genuinely sad for the girl.

Here’s the link for anyone who wants to see it, but I don’t know…it’s really upsetting.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Emo_Cutter_Girl[/quote]

Certainly not pretty, but I’ve never had any pity for cutters. Too self-indulgent.

I’m going to stop visiting this thread now. I’ve seen enough innards this year, methinks.

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I may be in the minority here, but I can’t understand why you would want those types of images in your brain. It’s like that saying “what has been seen, cannot be unseen”. Those images are in your brain forever.

So, to the thread started I have never seen any of those videos you mentioned. Probably the most brutal thing I watch is MMA, if you even consider that brutal.

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[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
“3 Guys 1 Hammer” or whatever its called (the video of the serial killer Ukrainian teens in action) is by far the worst I’ve seen, and I’ve seen everything in this thread.

It made me severely depressed for about 3 days after I saw it. You have to wonder about the existence of Satan after seeing that. FUCK I don’t even like thinking about that video. Alright I can’t even write any more. [/quote]

I got pissed off reading the details of the murders. They targeted women, children, the elderly…

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I think its absolutely sick and wrong to wilfully seek out entertainment in the suffering of other human beings. Just more evidence our society is rotting to the core, and that moral degeneracy is infecting our souls.

Are we no better than animals? But even animals are not so cruel. Animals kill for a purpose, to survive. Humans revel in torture and cruelty… Truly horrifying.

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I don’t get the point in watching those atrocities unless you are yourself some kind of a sicko or a dumb and immature teenager trying to prove to himself and to his buddies that he’s man enough to watch those vids. Even the written description is still too much for me! Yes, I must admit I’m a pussy.
I don’t believe that “morbid curiosity” excuse. Bullshit!
OP don’t make excuse, you are a little sicko. Period.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
RWElder0 wrote:
I do not deny these things happen and have happened for a long time. The true indictment of a society that is in trouble is that there is an audience that continues to seek out images of suffering and death.

Once there was a group of people who explored these depraved acts for the ‘thrill’ of the experience. What has changed is that they now pursue it for a much more twisted purpose and that is to have their 15 minutes of fame.

Attention whores and misguided, emotionally stunted human beings. If you took the video camera away and the distribution method that can send it around the world you would have half of these instances disappear over night.

I am afraid that it will keep growing and we will further desensitize one another until there is nothing left we as a society can find genuinely beautiful.

That’s a bit dramatic. The kinds of people that do this shit have always been around. Those Ukrainian kids would be killing people with or without the internet.

Some people are just fucked up.[/quote]

Vicomte - (for the record I have been appreciative to your contributions at T-Nation since I joined. The below is just my outlook. I am not trying to flame you or start a fight. I am not a gifted writer so forum thoughts some times do not come out exactly the way I would like them too.)

It is not the internet that ‘makes anything happen.’ It is a symptom of a much larger problem. Read Gavin de Becker’s The Gift of Fear. Pay special attention to the chapter ‘Fear of Children.’ Then you will understand what I am talking about. Murder or violence is seldom a random act. It is the victim that is usually - if at all - the most random variable of the act.

I do not blame the internet. I do not blame anyone really. My work is trying to help change accepted attitudes of malice and acceptance. You can not change the past but you can influence the future. These people may be lost but it doesn’t mean we can’t help kids see that while all this heinous shit happens it is not ‘OK.’

Does that make sense? This is why I will not watch these diversions. They are not innocuous. The help tear away at the fabric of society one view at a time.

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Videos like the 3 guys 1 hammer make me angry and sad that an audience exists for them.

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[quote]gutshot wrote:
Videos like the 3 guys 1 hammer make me angry and sad that an audience exists for them.[/quote]

No one is forcing anyone to watch them.

I chuckle to myself everytime someone mentions “reality” tv. If only the ignorant knew about true reality.

Censorship and being PC is putting a lot of people in a false world and creating a false sense of security. This shit can happen anywhere, no one if forcing anyone to listen or watch anything.

Fuck censorship, if you don’t like it then change the channel.

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What are you talking about? I never said anything about censorship, I suggest you read my post again.

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[quote]gutshot wrote:
What are you talking about? I never said anything about censorship, I suggest you read my post again.[/quote]

The censorship was a side rant, not directed at you.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I refuse to watch shit that involves any cruelty to anyone/anything not voluntarily participating in said twistedness.

Why? Because it makes my blood boil and I can’t calm myself down for hours or even days.

There are some fucking scumbags out there.

BBB[/quote]

Agreed. I can’t even be bothered watching that kind of garbage.

No thanks…

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[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
I don’t get the point in watching those atrocities unless you are yourself some kind of a sicko or a dumb and immature teenager trying to prove to himself and to his buddies that he’s man enough to watch those vids. Even the written description is still too much for me! Yes, I must admit I’m a pussy.
I don’t believe that “morbid curiosity” excuse. Bullshit!
OP don’t make excuse, you are a little sicko. Period.[/quote]

Give me a break. I like your psychoanalysis about my motives on watching the videos. Listen, I am a gorehound. I don’t get squeamish when I see blood and guts, and never have since I was young. There’s a big difference between people who make, distribute, and casually watch this shit and people who just stumble upon it.

If someone is going to put a video on the internet of them doing something extremely fucking stupid to themselves, why wouldn’t you watch it? It’s all about where each individual person’s lines are drawn. I draw my line with snuff/murder vids, like 3 Guys 1 Hammer. That was one of the more emotionally draining things I’ve ever watched.

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If there was not an audience the chance that the event would ever transpire go down exponetially.

I am not niave saying that it would never happen but part of the trouble is being conditioned to accept violence for violence’s sake as a normal thing.

This is not a part of the human condition. It is a developed/conditioned response to external events.

Killing someone because he threatens you, your family, your possesions is a natural response. Protection and the desire to keep living is part of the make up of every animal on the planet. As a sentient (sp?) being to commit an act of violence to inflict suffering on another life form simply for the sake of causeing suffering is a serious pshycological problem. To be desensitized to the act itself is a conditioned response that should un-nevre even the hardest of men.

Animals are slaughtered not to see them suffer but for food. In the process there are mistakes that prolong the suffering of the animal. The intent is not to make the animals suffer at all. The intent is to kill them for food. Not to satisfy a pshcological need or emotional desire.

Our intent voyers are commiting these acts becasue:

a) They are pshcological damaged and are compelled to commit these acts.
b) They have been conditioned that human suffering in the name of entertainment has no consequences to themselves or their victims or anyone else for that matter.
c) The emotional vaccum and removal from society that they have experienced is shared by the rest of man kind.

Watching these acts only encourages these people. We are not talking about capturing moments as they occur. These are all staged incidents. It would be nice if people understood that the people who commit them are not just in Hungary or New York City. They do not just attack the homeless or make animals suffer for cheap thrills. These people live next door to you and one day may think that some one you care about’s number just might get punched.

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Tubgirl anyone?

It won’t top some of the videos; but it still isn’t pretty to look at.

Then you got lemon party, eww!

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[quote]Willus wrote:
I think its absolutely sick and wrong to wilfully seek out entertainment in the suffering of other human beings. Just more evidence our society is rotting to the core, and that moral degeneracy is infecting our souls.

Are we no better than animals? But even animals are not so cruel. Animals kill for a purpose, to survive. Humans revel in torture and cruelty… Truly horrifying.[/quote]

This is nothing new. Remember Ancient Rome? (You probably don’t actually, Ha!)They had gladiators and animal fighters, and it was acceptable and encouraged for men, women, and children to attend. Society has and always will be the same. Scientists have found the more intelligent animals (Chimpanzees, dolphins) kill for pleasure and revenge. Hell, dolphins rape other dolphins.

Always have, always will. Everyone thinks they live in the most fucked up time there ever was. They are always wrong. It’s always been this fucked up and therefore isn’t really fucked up at all. If anything, we’ve gotten much better.

When was the last time a US military force raped, pillaged, and burned? At least a hundred years. That’s improvement.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
When was the last time a US military force raped, pillaged, and burned? At least a hundred years. That’s improvement.[/quote]

O rly

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[quote]RWElder0 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
RWElder0 wrote:
I do not deny these things happen and have happened for a long time. The true indictment of a society that is in trouble is that there is an audience that continues to seek out images of suffering and death.

Once there was a group of people who explored these depraved acts for the ‘thrill’ of the experience. What has changed is that they now pursue it for a much more twisted purpose and that is to have their 15 minutes of fame.

Attention whores and misguided, emotionally stunted human beings. If you took the video camera away and the distribution method that can send it around the world you would have half of these instances disappear over night.

I am afraid that it will keep growing and we will further desensitize one another until there is nothing left we as a society can find genuinely beautiful.

That’s a bit dramatic. The kinds of people that do this shit have always been around. Those Ukrainian kids would be killing people with or without the internet.

Some people are just fucked up.

Vicomte - (for the record I have been appreciative to your contributions at T-Nation since I joined. The below is just my outlook. I am not trying to flame you or start a fight. I am not a gifted writer so forum thoughts some times do not come out exactly the way I would like them too.)

It is not the internet that ‘makes anything happen.’ It is a symptom of a much larger problem. Read Gavin de Becker’s The Gift of Fear. Pay special attention to the chapter ‘Fear of Children.’ Then you will understand what I am talking about. Murder or violence is seldom a random act. It is the victim that is usually - if at all - the most random variable of the act.

I do not blame the internet. I do not blame anyone really. My work is trying to help change accepted attitudes of malice and acceptance. You can not change the past but you can influence the future. These people may be lost but it doesn’t mean we can’t help kids see that while all this heinous shit happens it is not ‘OK.’

Does that make sense? This is why I will not watch these diversions. They are not innocuous. The help tear away at the fabric of society one view at a time.

[/quote]

I think that these videos DO show acts like these are not okay. What has a greater effect on a person: pontificating on why killing and maiming is horrible, or showing a video where someone helpless is eviscerated while they cry for their mother? People are visual creatures.

And I’m not sure this kind of thing can be at all prevented. Some people are crazy, and enjoy causing suffering. It’s like those gay kids who pretend to be straight for most of their lives, then run away from their wife and kids at forty for some guy in Guam. A person can only fight their nature for so long. Again, this is nothing new.

And thanks for being so respectful. See, world is on its way up.

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[quote]gutshot wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
When was the last time a US military force raped, pillaged, and burned? At least a hundred years. That’s improvement.

O rly[/quote]

Care to elaborate? If any incidents have occurred, they are not to the grand accepted scale seen thousands of years ago, which still proves my point.

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[quote]vlhockey22 wrote:
What about the one where that guy in Seattle gets hit over the head with a skateboard, by some punk ass kid who keeps on messing with people. It’s bad but it’s not too too graphic.

Worst part is the guy slips into a coma the next day and ends up dying. That shit makes me livid, id have no remorse if i was in the same room as the skateboarder.[/quote]

I remember this one. I got a surge of adrenaline watching it, and felt a little sick to my stomach.

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Just reading the descriptions of some of these videos are enough for me. That last truly disturbing thing I saw was that guy getting his head sawed off by Iraqi insurgents, I didn’t feel right for the rest of the day after that one.

From then on I swore “No more disturbing internet vids or photos”.

Shit, I can’t even watch those training accident videos of dudes getting crushed under heavy barbells and shit like that.

I’m a big wuss.