The World Wants Obama

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AndyG wrote:
<<< Tribulus, might is right? Have you read Harry Potter?

I said might MAKES right not might IS right. I’ll let you muse over the distinction.

No, I have never read Harry Potter or seen any of the movies. That being the case I’m going to graciously assume that you had an intelligible point that I am unaware of.[/quote]

Ha ha, when you say “I’ll let you muse over the distinction” it means either:

  1. “I think there is a distinction but I’m not sure”

  2. “I’m pretty sure there’s a disctinction but I can’t articulate it.”

or

  1. “I have no clue what I was on about and I’m grasping at straws to try and confuse everyone.”

[quote]AndyG wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

My true wish would be that more nations do the things we’ve done to be successful instead of sniveling and trying to reduce us to their level.

Let Iran have nuclear weapons then. The biggest gun wins, let them have the big guns. It’s your true wish.[/quote]

You really are this simple aren’t you?

A powerful military and unconventional weapons arsenal are a portion of the benefits of the things we’ve done to be successful, not the things themselves. It may make your ears smoke thinking about that one, but try it out.

I knew I should never have let myself get involved in this forum.

[quote]lixy wrote:

The poll quoted by the OP was conducted in Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, Egypt, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Kenya, Lebanon, Mexico, Nigeria, Panama, the Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, Turkey, the UAE, Britain. With the exception of Panama, none of those has been bombed or invaded by the US. [/quote]

Actually, Lixy, from that list:

Canada
Germany
Italy
Mexico
Philippines

have been bombed/invaded by the US.
Not sure about some of the others.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Reef wrote:
<<< Maybe I’m missing something since I live in America Junior or America’s hat, etc. lol. Anyways, I’m off to bed.

One point you’re missing is that bed you’re off to is secure because we keep it that way. Partly out of the goodness of our national heart, but mostly because it’s in our interest to do so. That’s why you’re able to forego spending billions on your own defense and then piss and moan about how we use ours.

So so so so many of our Canadian friends conveniently ‘forget’ this rather well known fact. Think of the billions of Canadian dollars saved (or not taxed) because of this. I wonder just how deeply this affects the Canadian economy (in a positive manner). It has to be enormous.[/quote]

Actually, the Socialists who’ve run Canada for the past 40 plus years decided to take that money saved and put it into other (stupid) things. So, it’s a wash (for Canada, at least).

It REALLY disgusts me about my country that a once proud military heritage was destroyed by a few misguided Liberals. (And by Liberals, I mean Socialists).

The Boer War,WWI, WWII, Korea, Canada ‘punched above it’s weight’ and now can’t even move its own men and equipment when needed.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
AndyG wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

My true wish would be that more nations do the things we’ve done to be successful instead of sniveling and trying to reduce us to their level.

Let Iran have nuclear weapons then. The biggest gun wins, let them have the big guns. It’s your true wish.

You really are this simple aren’t you?

A powerful military and unconventional weapons arsenal are a portion of the benefits of the things we’ve done to be successful, not the things themselves. It may make your ears smoke thinking about that one, but try it out.

I knew I should never have let myself get involved in this forum.[/quote]

But you said he with the biggest gun wins, and might makes right. How can Iran ever win(i.e. be successful) or right without the same weapons aresenal?

Just in case you dimwits can’t understand, I’m not advocating everyone getting nuclear weapons, just pointing out how silly your posts are.

Anyway, you’ve avoided thecentral issue here which is that you place less emphasis on human life when it’s not American.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Since most of the world hates us, since we are moral and good while they wallow in evil, it is only natural they would want to introduce a ‘destroyer’ into our presidency. Why would them wanting this be a surprize?

Criminals always hate the cops.[/quote]

You dismiss “most of the world” as “evil” and describe " us" as “moral and good”? Wow. Do you realize what that says about you? Do you realize your ignorance?

[quote]Reef wrote:

That link is from a far right source.

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And right out of the inspectors reports. They are real facts that the regular media is not reporting. You cannot dismiss them when they are true.

By the way, the first article you posted is not saying there were not WMD’s, but saying that a UN inspector was saying there were no WMD’s. And right now I trust the UN about as much as I would have trusted Saddam.

The second is in reference to one item found. They are not referring to all WMD’s, but one single issue of chemical weapons that were degraded.

It should also be pointed out that while they were degraded, Saddam had declared them destroyed. They were not even supposed to be there.

Anyway the degradation is part of this problem in finding WMD’s.

The fact of the matter is these chemicals are actually produced in a short period of time for immediate use. They can’t just sit around waiting to be used.

As a result, WMD’s are not really made until right before use. That also means there is a funny political event going on where they have found the precursors of these things, and yet they don’t count because they are not yet officially WMD’s.

It’s like walking into a meth lab, finding all the ingredients to make meth, including the instructions laying there right beside the bathtub, but they haven’t made any yet, so they didn’t actually have meth. It must have been a lie the neighbors made up, meaning those neighbors should get in trouble for their false accusation.

[quote]AndyG wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:

My true wish would be that more nations do the things we’ve done to be successful instead of sniveling and trying to reduce us to their level.

Let Iran have nuclear weapons then. The biggest gun wins, let them have the big guns. It’s your true wish.[/quote]

Touche

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
One point…I don’t give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks They won’t have to live with the cocksucker.

Oh no?

Think again professor.

No really, I don’t give a fuck. I don’t care how many times I think about it, I still won’t give a fuck.

And you probably shouldn’t.

My reply was about not having “to live with the cocksucker”. Because, in case you missed it, whatever “cocksucker” gets into the White House ends up dropping bodies and blowing innocent people to bits (with more or less restraint). What you have to deal with (how much taxes you’ll pay, how many hours they can detain you with the PATRIOT ACT, how many immigrants will be allowed in, etc.) is pretty low on the inconvenience scale compared to what “the rest of the world” has to deal with.

The “think again” was not the sarcastic part. It was dead serious!

If we’re evil, how come we have immigrants?

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Stockholm syndrome.

[quote]Heliotrope wrote:

Our popularity world wide has a relationship to isolationist sentiment at home, intended or not. Its only human nature.[/quote]

I find both quite shallow actually.[quote]

I commend your personal virtues but again human nature is that the majority can not be relied upon to be as disciplined as your self.

Sad but true but if an inflated entitlement economy and society is offered too many will accept. Eventually correction occurs and most will always be under prepared. Good for you if you are not one of them.[/quote]

I have a little more faith in humanity, as long as they are given a chance. The urge to follow the path of least resistance is the part of human nature that needs to be overcome.

The big problem I have with this is not the idea of helping people, it is with believing they are inferior, and need help even before they are given a chance. It is condescending, as well as counterproductive.

The whole welfare state works as long as there are wealthy people who are feeding it. If their numbers shrink, the whole system goes under.[quote]

Debt is a good analogous model. Available credit versus debt. Wars represent debt and standing uncommitted military force represent credit. I don’t think the US military is “maxed out” but we aren’t free and clear obviously and this diminishs our military as a political leverage point on the world stage.[quote]

I don’t think it fits, sorry. But I assume I have different ideas and perceptions about debt. If we were to pull out of Iraq, that would have severely diminished our political leverage. In fact it has been weakened just because of all the people saying pull out.

They said they will win because, “America has no stomach for war.” People did their best to prove them right.

Actually there is a change brewing. It is still small, but significant, and it is gaining converts every day. (Almost sounds like a cult.) I keep running into people who are not only getting out of debt, but considering it a terrible way to live.

As these people have been getting out of debt, they are showing others the benefits, and others are joining in. (Damn, it is a cult.) The point is, there is a change building, I am seeing it.[quote]

The platform is a simple one. A return to a more North American continental commodity market. We have become a nation of shady bankers instead of competitive disciplined developers of North American commodities.

Our commodity and local energy potential is there it is just being dwarfed by an inflated credit based economy destroying American competiveness in world production.

The correction will come and financial investments will burn and commodity traders and producers will prosper. A bull commodity market is coming and financials are going to mauled by the bear.[/quote]

The government is the big impediment to the market. They are the ones who set up the system, making it easier for the crooks to manipulate. They are the ones standing in the way of the US producing more energy. They stop the drilling, they stop the extraction of coal, they eliminated New-Q-Ler development in this country, putting us into the exact bind we are in.

Now they act like they are protecting the little guy when in fact they are bailing out the ones who screwed up.[quote]

Nothing to do with anything we do is a cop out explanation. Something a irresponsible person with a victim mentality says. [/quote]

Wait, victim mentality? That is the basis of all the complaints, the victim mentality. All of the worlds ills are “because of the fat Amaireekens”. I am not saying we have never done anything wrong, ever. What I am saying is that no matter what they will still blame us.[quote]

Of course cowards and lesser men are haters threatened by greatness in any form but acting like we can do and have done no wrong is just as stupid. [/quote]

And I have never said we have done no wrong. The problem is, we get blamed when we do right. We get blamed when others do wrong.[quote]

Some have expressed such sentiments in this thread. I stand corrected that you are smart enough not to be among them.

Being a political whore at the mercy of world sentiment is a ridiculous posture for America to adopt. We are a great nation with many strengths. That said popularity world wide is of value and a valid political issue and not something to be dismissed lightly.[/quote]

We should work with the world, definitely… as long as the world works with us. I have seen our government bend over backwards, (and forwards,) and still get shafted.

We should listen to legitimate complaints. But there are way too many illegitimate ones.

(Surprised nobody commented on my joke(s) earlier.)

I’m in looove with Obamaaaaa

(referring to an R&B song a girl wrote and performed on YouTube about him)

[quote]DeterminedNate wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Since most of the world hates us, since we are moral and good while they wallow in evil, it is only natural they would want to introduce a ‘destroyer’ into our presidency. Why would them wanting this be a surprize?

Criminals always hate the cops.

You dismiss “most of the world” as “evil” and describe " us" as “moral and good”? Wow. Do you realize what that says about you? Do you realize your ignorance?[/quote]

WTF? Nooo fuckin’ way. He’s a destroyer just because he’s the first black man to run for presidency? So he stands for the criminals and America is the world’s police? Come off it now.

I love America, I don’t hate it. I want to see it become a better place. And I think Obama is far more capable and inclined towards doing that than McCain.

I hope I’m just not wrong and he turns out to be the Antichrist like George Bush was, but I’d like to think the world has a brighter future with this man Obama at the helm of one of its Superpowers.

[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:

WTF? Nooo fuckin’ way. He’s a destroyer just because he’s the first black man to run for presidency? So he stands for the criminals and America is the world’s police? Come off it now.

I love America, I don’t hate it. I want to see it become a better place. And I think Obama is far more capable and inclined towards doing that than McCain.

I hope I’m just not wrong and he turns out to be the Antichrist like George Bush was, but I’d like to think the world has a brighter future with this man Obama at the helm of one of its Superpowers.[/quote]

I have no illusions regarding McCain, but what exactly makes you think Obama would make the future brighter?

Also calling Bush the Anti-Christ is a little over the top. The hate for this guy is so vehement. Please bring it down to Earth, and quit thinking with hate.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:

WTF? Nooo fuckin’ way. He’s a destroyer just because he’s the first black man to run for presidency? So he stands for the criminals and America is the world’s police? Come off it now.

I love America, I don’t hate it. I want to see it become a better place. And I think Obama is far more capable and inclined towards doing that than McCain.

I hope I’m just not wrong and he turns out to be the Antichrist like George Bush was, but I’d like to think the world has a brighter future with this man Obama at the helm of one of its Superpowers.

I have no illusions regarding McCain, but what exactly makes you think Obama would make the future brighter?

Also calling Bush the Anti-Christ is a little over the top. The hate for this guy is so vehement. Please bring it down to Earth, and quit thinking with hate.[/quote]

Hey man, everything gets over the top when it comes to the U.S. Presidency. It was kind of a figure of speech, but I wouldn’t be THAT surprised if Bush really was something to do with the A-C.

I think Obama would make the future brighter because from what I’ve seen so far in his campaign, he’s all about making real change instead of preserving the status quo of greed, profit and corruption rampant in the world. So what if people think “it’s all been said before, but never done”? Maybe this guy is for real this time. I’m not in a position to judge or decide what he really stands for, but it looks like he’s genuinely different. We have to wait and see how things turn out.

Thinking with hate is actually something I’m sick of, and sick of seeing. I know there has to be balance between positivity and negativity, but there is too much darkness in the heart of man today that I seem to be sensing.

[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Hey man, everything gets over the top when it comes to the U.S. Presidency. It was kind of a figure of speech, but I wouldn’t be THAT surprised if Bush really was something to do with it.[/quote]

I believe politics should be about the issues. A lot of people forget that, and think it’s about people. Instead of debating, they are gossiping.[quote]

I think Obama would make the future brighter because from what I’ve seen so far in his campaign, he’s all about making real change instead of preserving the status quo of greed, profit and corruption rampant in the world. So what if people think “it’s all been said before, but never done”? Maybe this guy is for real this time. I’m not in a position to judge or decide what he really stands for, but we have to wait and see how things turn out.[/quote]

Ah he is going to make a change. Great. What is the change? Do you know, or did you just do what everybody else does and define the word change for yourself?

Everyone asked to explain what Obama means by change gives a different answer.

Can you tell me exactly how he is going to accomplish the goals you just spoke of?

What is the plan that you like? Or do you just like the pretty words?

Recently a person told me he was voting for Obama because he was going to lower the price of oil. (Not even sure where he got that idea.) So I simply asked how. He just shrugged his shoulders.[quote]

Thinking with hate is actually something I’m sick of, and sick of seeing. I know there has to be balance between positivity and negativity, but there is too much darkness in the heart of man today that I seem to be sensing.[/quote]

Then please don’t spread it.

[quote]The Mage wrote:
I believe politics should be about the issues. A lot of people forget that, and think it’s about people. Instead of debating, they are gossiping.
[/quote]

Exactly.

From what I’ve seen, a plan for free universal health care for all Americans in place of the current user pays system, is one of the changes that he proposes to put in place.

As for the other changes – as long as he can see and analyze what is wrong with the current situations in your country, and plan and implement real working solutions, that is what I’m talking about. America has many problems and if even a few of the big ones can be solved, then a great difference will already have been made. That is change.

With all the enormous wealth, resources and intelligence of the USA available at his disposal.

Haven’t read enough of the words to say…

[quote]
Thinking with hate is actually something I’m sick of, and sick of seeing. I know there has to be balance between positivity and negativity, but there is too much darkness in the heart of man today that I seem to be sensing.

Then please don’t spread it.[/quote]

Quid pro quo.

I think we are going to have an election shortly. My guess is if the majority who vote want him as our leader, then he takes office. If not, then he won’t. Shut up and vote? World? just shut up.

[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
I think we are going to have an election shortly. My guess is if the majority who vote want him as our leader, then he takes office. If not, then he won’t. Shut up and vote? World? just shut up. [/quote]

Hey buddy, the whole point of freedom of speech is so that people talk about politics.

If you don’t like the world commenting, don’t do things that affect the world.