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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Cortes,

You know that the “jelly” comment was a joke (because I said as much in the next post) in response to your pronouncement that I better not take the Eucharist. It must burn the ass of people like yourself that the Catholic Church, in its truest form is an example of almost pure “Socialism”, the fact that the American Bishops have moved far to the right is not an example of Catholic teachings it is an example of the reactionary rhetoric that is destroying parts of America. And LOL at “Obama and the Democratic Party” being far removed from Christianity, I suppose you mean to say that as the alternative the GOP embraces Christianity. You may want to file a revised biography of Christ as a guy that preferred guns and bombs over caring for the poor and the ill.[/quote]

Papal document after papal document has pronounced communism/socialism as a heresy. No, Obama hates Catholics. Known fact.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:<<< My priest still lets me take communion.[/quote]I don’t doubt it.
[/quote]

Yes, Tirib I know you like to act like Jesus left us the biblical version of the wild west with Wyatt Earp as your pastor dictating what happens as he goes, but that is not so. There is a right and wrong way of doing things, this is usually called “law”. Most people in relationships, especially with God love law. It helps keep the relationship going good.

In the Catholic Church, we also have law to help us do things right. Just because bozo the clown over here says his priest let’s him take communion does not mean anything. Bozo the clown by the nature of his baptism as a Catholic has a right to Holy Communion no matter his asserted status. If someone in the Church is going to take away bozo the clown’s rights, he has to be excommunicated in a manner which is readily known to bozo the clown, such as that he is verbally told by his bishop. According to Canon 915 one can be denied Holy Communion if one is “obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin” or is excommunicated. Since, I doubt bozo the clown has enough balls to actually say what he believes and back it up with actions to his Bishop he’s not likely excommunicated. So that leaves being obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin. Well, for this to work a priest has to verify conduct and prove all five conditions per Canon 18, in a strict manner, in order to deprive of bozo’s right to communion since he has this right by his baptism as a Catholic.

You Tirib have the right to Holy Communion, by the fact that you were baptized Catholic. Though I suggest you go to confession so you don’t eat or drink condemnation upon yourself.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:<<< My priest still lets me take communion.[/quote]I don’t doubt it.
[/quote]

Yes, Tirib I know you like to act like Jesus left us the biblical version of the wild west with Wyatt Earp as your pastor dictating what happens as he goes, but that is not so. There is a right and wrong way of doing things, this is usually called “law”. Most people in relationships, especially with God love law. It helps keep the relationship going good.

In the Catholic Church, we also have law to help us do things right. Just because bozo the clown over here says his priest let’s him take communion does not mean anything. Bozo the clown by the nature of his baptism as a Catholic has a right to Holy Communion no matter his asserted status. If someone in the Church is going to take away bozo the clown’s rights, he has to be excommunicated in a manner which is readily known to bozo the clown, such as that he is verbally told by his bishop. According to Canon 915 one can be denied Holy Communion if one is “obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin” or is excommunicated. Since, I doubt bozo the clown has enough balls to actually say what he believes and back it up with actions to his Bishop he’s not likely excommunicated. So that leaves being obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin. Well, for this to work a priest has to verify conduct and prove all five conditions per Canon 18, in a strict manner, in order to deprive of bozo’s right to communion since he has this right by his baptism as a Catholic.

You Tirib have the right to Holy Communion, by the fact that you were baptized Catholic. Though I suggest you go to confession so you don’t eat or drink condemnation upon yourself.[/quote]

Better explanation than I am capable of, as usual, Chris. Thanks.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:<<< My priest still lets me take communion.[/quote]I don’t doubt it.
[/quote]

Yes, Tirib I know you like to act like Jesus left us the biblical version of the wild west with Wyatt Earp as your pastor dictating what happens as he goes, but that is not so. There is a right and wrong way of doing things, this is usually called “law”. Most people in relationships, especially with God love law. It helps keep the relationship going good.

In the Catholic Church, we also have law to help us do things right. Just because bozo the clown over here says his priest let’s him take communion does not mean anything. Bozo the clown by the nature of his baptism as a Catholic has a right to Holy Communion no matter his asserted status. If someone in the Church is going to take away bozo the clown’s rights, he has to be excommunicated in a manner which is readily known to bozo the clown, such as that he is verbally told by his bishop. According to Canon 915 one can be denied Holy Communion if one is “obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin” or is excommunicated. Since, I doubt bozo the clown has enough balls to actually say what he believes and back it up with actions to his Bishop he’s not likely excommunicated. So that leaves being obstinate perseverance in manifest grave sin. Well, for this to work a priest has to verify conduct and prove all five conditions per Canon 18, in a strict manner, in order to deprive of bozo’s right to communion since he has this right by his baptism as a Catholic.

You Tirib have the right to Holy Communion, by the fact that you were baptized Catholic. Though I suggest you go to confession so you don’t eat or drink condemnation upon yourself.[/quote]

Better explanation than I am capable of, as usual, Chris. Thanks.
[/quote]

Also, according to Canon 916, one’s abstinence from the Eucharist is primarily on the individual. c. 916: “A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible.”

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
There is nothing wrong with atheism per se, in a lot of ways it is much more sensible than a belief in God. Atheism is simply looking at the world through a rational lens and saying there is no “proof” of the divine, belief in God on the other hand relies totally on your ability to convince yourself that there is an invisible and all-powerful being that has some degree of concern about how you feel and behave, on paper it makes atheists look much less crazy. Now for the record I am religious (Catholic) and I believe in God, I have two brothers that are both atheists, I don’t try to convince them of my beliefs and they don’t try to convince me of theirs, none of us are serial killers (playing the odds on that) and all of us do stuff to help out our communities and neighbors. The real test is this, I believe that when we die we go to heaven, my brothers believe we turn into dirt (eventually), either way we’ll all end up the same place in the end, so who cares what you believe, it is what you do that counts.[/quote]

You must be snorting bath salts. This makes no sense what so ever. Both cannot be right, hence there is either something wrong with theism or atheism. And if you go to heaven and your brother’s are in the dirt, you are not in the same place. I don’t really see how you can say that dirt on the earth and heaven are the same place.

Atheism is irrational because it requires belief in something from nothing, and that is logically impossible and there is nothing anybody can do about it. So on paper, it’s still irrational. On the face of it, it’s still irrational.
It’s just wishful thinking and nothing more.[/quote]

So you propose that the universe began with a perfect being, who created himself perfectly from nothing? So much more logical.

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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:

I will assume that Christ was anti-abortion[/quote]

And you defy him on that what a good Christian you are.

You’re an idiot and it’s not like I want to say that but you compel me to do so as your answers are so substandard. He “hung out” with tax collectors and sinners and when questioned about he said in Mark 2:17

"On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Get it B r i a n? He was trying to change their behavior.

As for homosexuality it is clearly mentioned multiple times in the Bible as being a sin and an abomination. Do you know what that word means B r i a n? “extreme disgust.” But as a liberal you want to be cute and say “Jesus never mentioned it personally, so it’s okay.” He never mentioned that having sex with animals, or incest either does that mean those things are acceptable? He never mentioned a lot of things so are all of those things he DIDN"T mention all fine?

Twisted liberal logic at it’s finest.

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As I have discussed with my priest, I am not in favor of abortion, I would never choose it nor would my wife, but I refuse to force my views on others and I believe that each person, under the law and within their own conscience, has to make that decision for themselves. My priest still lets me take communion.[/quote]

Let’s replace the word “abortion” with the word “slavery.”

“I would never own slaves but it is within the law for others to so if that’s what they want to do each person has to make that decision within their own conscience.”

You have chosen the cowards way out as most lefty’s do.

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[quote]pegasus3 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
There is nothing wrong with atheism per se, in a lot of ways it is much more sensible than a belief in God. Atheism is simply looking at the world through a rational lens and saying there is no “proof” of the divine, belief in God on the other hand relies totally on your ability to convince yourself that there is an invisible and all-powerful being that has some degree of concern about how you feel and behave, on paper it makes atheists look much less crazy. Now for the record I am religious (Catholic) and I believe in God, I have two brothers that are both atheists, I don’t try to convince them of my beliefs and they don’t try to convince me of theirs, none of us are serial killers (playing the odds on that) and all of us do stuff to help out our communities and neighbors. The real test is this, I believe that when we die we go to heaven, my brothers believe we turn into dirt (eventually), either way we’ll all end up the same place in the end, so who cares what you believe, it is what you do that counts.[/quote]

You must be snorting bath salts. This makes no sense what so ever. Both cannot be right, hence there is either something wrong with theism or atheism. And if you go to heaven and your brother’s are in the dirt, you are not in the same place. I don’t really see how you can say that dirt on the earth and heaven are the same place.

Atheism is irrational because it requires belief in something from nothing, and that is logically impossible and there is nothing anybody can do about it. So on paper, it’s still irrational. On the face of it, it’s still irrational.
It’s just wishful thinking and nothing more.[/quote]

So you propose that the universe began with a perfect being, who created himself perfectly from nothing? So much more logical.
[/quote]

Just become a deist, it fills pats logic gap and does not require you to believe in all the made up stuff.

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ZEB,

The Old Testament (which you are citing for the views on Homosexuality I believe) also says that if your children give you some backtalk you should kill them (with rocks of all things):

“All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)”

and also this gem:

“Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB”

Lets keep our heads in the game here and use the Bible as a guideline, not as a rule of law, I can only guess that if you have children you are writing from a secure maximum security facility OR you are not following the Bible to the letter (just like me).

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[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
So you propose that the universe began with a perfect being, who created himself perfectly from nothing? So much more logical.
[/quote]

The universe was created by a perfect being. That being however is not created, but always exists.

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[quote]pegasus3 wrote:
So you propose that the universe began with a perfect being, who created himself perfectly from nothing? So much more logical.
[/quote]

Actually, it IS more logical.

Self-creation may or may not be a property of perfect beings. We, as finite and non-perfect beings, have no way to disprove it.

While we perfectly (pun intended) know that non-existence has no property at all. And therefore can not create anything.

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I don’t give a shit what or whom people worship. If you are a good person, I will buy you a beer.

EDIT: Quoted wrong post. Apologies lifty

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Cortes,

“Even his profile is just a bit weird.”

Compared to what?

Kamui,

“Actually, it IS more logical.”

i just checked the definition of logic and I posted it for your review:

a (1) : of, relating to, involving, or being in accordance with logic (2) : skilled in logic
b : formally true or valid : analytic, deductive
2
: capable of reasoning or of using reason in an orderly cogent fashion

Just so you know, that has nothing to do with faith in God, it is in fact almost the opposite. Faith is more in line with what you are looking for:

confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another’s ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

there is no proof of God’s existence, belief in God is a choice based in faith, not in logic, feel free to attack me for this but the differences are clear. Trying to use logic as a cornerstone for faith is a futile effort. Belief absent proof is faith.
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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
ZEB,

The Old Testament (which you are citing for the views on Homosexuality I believe) also says that if your children give you some backtalk you should kill them (with rocks of all things):

“All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)”

and also this gem:

“Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB”

Lets keep our heads in the game here and use the Bible as a guideline, not as a rule of law, I can only guess that if you have children you are writing from a secure maximum security facility OR you are not following the Bible to the letter (just like me).[/quote]

I’m so proud of you, you can google Bible verses and everything! Oh GOODY GOODY!!

First of all if you could get your head out of your ass then you might be able to keep it in the game. You honestly think you are the first person to bring up this argument? Do you? LOL (shaking head) you’re a babe in the woods. You’ve taken “Levitical law” laws that were set down for a specific reasona and time and you’re trying to use it to rationalize homosexuality? Really? You are that ignorant of the Bible and it’s meaning that you’re going to use that parlor trick. My gosh you are dumb…Although the OT scripture is true about homosexuality (just as the 10 commandments are true today) let’s just use the New Testament.

The Bible mentions homosexuality many more times than in the OT, but you’d actually have to read it to understand that.

Let’s start with the following two. I think it’s funny that you’re actually trying to say that according to the Bible homosexuality is a perfectly fine act. I am laughing so hard at you I can barely type this.

[quote]Romans 1:26-27

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I CORINTHIANS 6:9-10 reads:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexual offenders nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.[/quote]

Furthermore, why would anyone think that sex outside of marriage is okay with God and the Church? If nothing else certainly that is one reason that you should understand why homosexuality is not accepted and considered a sin in Christs day. Come on B r i a n show some intelligence for a change.

YOU think homosexuality is fine but you’re going to have to put this in the same column as abortion. While you think it’s okay God thinks otherwise. And that puts YOU at odds with your church and that is the reason that we moved to this topic. Now why don’t you ask your Priest what he thinks–(eye roll)

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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Cortes,

“Even his profile is just a bit weird.”

Compared to what?

Kamui,

“Actually, it IS more logical.”

i just checked the definition of logic and I posted it for your review:

a (1) : of, relating to, involving, or being in accordance with logic (2) : skilled in logic
b : formally true or valid : analytic, deductive
2
: capable of reasoning or of using reason in an orderly cogent fashion

Just so you know, that has nothing to do with faith in God, it is in fact almost the opposite. Faith is more in line with what you are looking for:

confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another’s ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3.
belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4.
belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5.
a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.

there is no proof of God’s existence, belief in God is a choice based in faith, not in logic, feel free to attack me for this but the differences are clear. Trying to use logic as a cornerstone for faith is a futile effort. Belief absent proof is faith.
[/quote]

-I wasn’t speaking about faith, nor trying to use anythin as a “cornerstone for faith”.

-I was saying that :
-there is no internal contradiction in the concept of a self-created perfect being
-there is an interrnal contradiction in the concept of “something from nothing”
-internal contradiction is illogical per definition
therefore
the idea of a self-created perfect being is more logical than the concept of “something from nothing”.

Btw, i’m an atheist. I don’t need a lesson in unbelief, especially not when it comes from someone who pretend to be a catholic.
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[quote]kamui wrote:

Btw, i’m an atheist. I don’t need a lesson in unbelief, especially not when it comes from someone who pretend to be a catholic. [/quote]

ROTFLMFAO!!!

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ZEB,

Congratulations, here is Romans 1 : 28-32

"28 And just as they did not see fit [h]to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
30 slanderers, [i] haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Back to killing disobedient children, again, seriously and slanderers? Wow that’s harsh. ZEB, if you use the bible as a set of rules you cannot cherry pick which parts of the bible you like.

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Where are all of these Christian “shoving their beliefs” down our aggregate throats? I have never encountered them outside of fringe links posted by, you guessed it, atheists.

Appearantly this in no such thing as television in Japan, otherwise one would see preachers flap’n their yap

from 8am until noon on sunday about God, christ, the virgin mary et al.

Can someone PLEASE direct me to all the atheists out there with their own Sunday morning spew-fests !

did’nt think so. . .then again I am able to play with the knobs and change the channel. As George Carlin once

said “you christians would’nt know about knobs, now would you”

Merry Frigg’n Sunday ya all !

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Oh, okay, so you are forced to watch these programs in America. I did not realize this. Being in Japan, and all.

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Oh, wait, I just noticed your comment about the knobs and turning them.

So, wait. Which is it?

You DO have this material force fed to you? Perhaps, you are strapped to a chair with toothpicks propping open your eyelids a la A Clockwork Orange.

Or you don’t. And you can change the damn channel. Just like those meanie church-types don’t have to subscribe to Cinemax After Dark, or whatever.

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[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
Pat,

Since you know nothing of my standing with the church (de facto excommunication? Seriously, do you guys just pull stuff out of your asses) or my faith, I think it’s funny that you have chosen to attack me and not the statement. Feel free to respond to the actual meat of the statement, and since you brought up abortion, please tell me what happens to their souls as well (bearing in mind the concept of original sin).[/quote]

I do not claim to know the destination of souls, it’s not my call. I know to be in communion with Christ, you much have BOTH faith and works. Neither one, or the other is sufficient.

And if you do hold a Pro-Abortion stance, you are in minor excommunication. And approval, tacit, or otherwise that is an enabling factor for abortion puts you in excommunication. Don’t take my word for it hoss, look it up yourself. It’s in the Catechism.