The Whoosification of America

streamline · May 10, 2009, 1:25am

It has been the goal and constant struggle of those that came before us. To make life more comfortable for future generations. They totally succeeded and now the younger generations have hurdles of a different kind to conquer. Like an enemy that hides among us. Affirmative action and political correctness.

They live in a grey area. Even I get confused with all the bullshit out there. All of which the younger generation had no say in. They may very well be the ones that fix the mess we created.

Don’t point the finger, find the solution! Raise your children to over come and conquer, I did! After all that’s the most important thing you can do for the next generation. Make them strong and proud.

pittbulll · May 10, 2009, 11:55am

I personally have confidence in the younger generation will triumph,

Schwarzfahrer · May 10, 2009, 12:21pm

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rogue57 wrote:
I do believe that this is a very broad brush approach to the issue, but I just did not feel like writing a full fledged paper on the topic. I do think that I can prove my theory, however, I do NOT think that it is always the answer. There are, as Irish put it amazing people in every generation. I think that they are the ones who have carried us through the rough times, but where we are going nowadays is going to be a tough call and we need to reign some reality back into the lives of our youth. You can ask some simple questions to the population of America about the government and they will have no clue. I see it everyday.

I didn’t say that at all. Did you read what I posted?

It shows that there were schmucks like you saying this same shit 2,000 years ago.[/quote]

The Youth is degenerated and dissolute.
They do not heed their parents’ word.
The end of the world is nigh.
-Cuneiform script from Ur (Sumeria/ today:Iraq),
2000 fucking BC

Yes, it’s the oldest lament.

jawara · May 10, 2009, 4:40pm

[quote]malonetd wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Now you have a generation of young men, that unless they have a college education, they will have no opportunity to get a job that could support a family.

I disagree completely and I hate hearing this garbage. There are plenty of jobs out there, people just have to learn to differentiate supporting a family and living on easy street.

All it takes is a little fortitude and some hard work to support a family. Notice I said “support a family” not live a life of luxury. You may not end up owning a 3,500 square foot house with 2 SUV’s, but oh well, no one says everyone should own all these things.

Additionally, you’re generally not going to be able to raise 2+ kids on a single income of these lower paying jobs, but you probably shouldn’t be pumping out babies if you can’t afford them.

The problem is people get tired of not owning a lot of things, and they get jealous of the glamorized celebrity lifestyle. Then they think they are owed more. Bullshit. Life isn’t fair and you have to play the cards you were dealt. I wish I was born a Hilton, but I wasn’t.

And beyond all this, even if a college degree is necessary to make a living – which it isn’t – so what. Anyone can get a degree these days. Financial aid is so easy to get these days and community colleges are very affordable. Five years ago I wouldn’t have believed this myself, but I have since seen how ridiculously easy it is to go to college.

And before anyone says it, this isn’t coming from some spoon fed kid telling people they just need to work harder. It’s coming from someone who has lived it and has worked harder. I’m a high school dropout and I had to work my ass to make a living. I’m finally getting to a point in my life where I am living fairly comfortable, but it was fucking hard getting here. I had to make sacrifices and work a lot of hours. I didn’t pump out babies left and right and I don’t own any luxury items. I’ve never bought a brand new car and I drove the same 1993 Explorer until it had 290,000 miles on. I’ve had the same desktop computer for 8 years and I still watch an old 20 inch tube TV. The only thing I’ve been semi-frivolous with is my home gym.

If more people would just work a little harder and be just a little more frugal we might not hear so many people complain about how hard it is to make it.[/quote]

Just about everything you stated here is what this country was built on. You’re right, nobody want to work and EVERYBODY wants EVERYTHING.

dhickey · May 10, 2009, 4:50pm

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rogue57 wrote:
I do believe that this is a very broad brush approach to the issue, but I just did not feel like writing a full fledged paper on the topic. I do think that I can prove my theory, however, I do NOT think that it is always the answer. There are, as Irish put it amazing people in every generation. I think that they are the ones who have carried us through the rough times, but where we are going nowadays is going to be a tough call and we need to reign some reality back into the lives of our youth. You can ask some simple questions to the population of America about the government and they will have no clue. I see it everyday.

I didn’t say that at all. Did you read what I posted?

It shows that there were schmucks like you saying this same shit 2,000 years ago.

The Youth is degenerated and dissolute.
They do not heed their parents’ word.
The end of the world is nigh.
-Cuneiform script from Ur (Sumeria/ today:Iraq),
2000 fucking BC

Yes, it’s the oldest lament.[/quote]

Are you suggesting it’s not true?

orion · May 10, 2009, 4:52pm

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rogue57 wrote:
I do believe that this is a very broad brush approach to the issue, but I just did not feel like writing a full fledged paper on the topic. I do think that I can prove my theory, however, I do NOT think that it is always the answer. There are, as Irish put it amazing people in every generation. I think that they are the ones who have carried us through the rough times, but where we are going nowadays is going to be a tough call and we need to reign some reality back into the lives of our youth. You can ask some simple questions to the population of America about the government and they will have no clue. I see it everyday.

I didn’t say that at all. Did you read what I posted?

It shows that there were schmucks like you saying this same shit 2,000 years ago.

The Youth is degenerated and dissolute.
They do not heed their parents’ word.
The end of the world is nigh.
-Cuneiform script from Ur (Sumeria/ today:Iraq),
2000 fucking BC

Yes, it’s the oldest lament.[/quote]

And it proved to be true each and every time.

That part is often conveniently left out.

streamline · May 10, 2009, 5:42pm

[quote]orion wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rogue57 wrote:
I do believe that this is a very broad brush approach to the issue, but I just did not feel like writing a full fledged paper on the topic. I do think that I can prove my theory, however, I do NOT think that it is always the answer. There are, as Irish put it amazing people in every generation. I think that they are the ones who have carried us through the rough times, but where we are going nowadays is going to be a tough call and we need to reign some reality back into the lives of our youth. You can ask some simple questions to the population of America about the government and they will have no clue. I see it everyday.

I didn’t say that at all. Did you read what I posted?

It shows that there were schmucks like you saying this same shit 2,000 years ago.

The Youth is degenerated and dissolute.
They do not heed their parents’ word.
The end of the world is nigh.
-Cuneiform script from Ur (Sumeria/ today:Iraq),
2000 fucking BC

Yes, it’s the oldest lament.

And it proved to be true each and every time.

That part is often conveniently left out.

[/quote]

Maybe that’s because the youth are not blinded by preconcieved notions of their own grandeur. They can see guite clearly how our and previous generations have screwed and continue to screw up this beautiful planet. Our stupid petty differences and our inability to get along with others has in the past and will in the future create disillusion in our youth. The fact that we think our generation knows everything and our youth should follow our line of thought and reasoning without question is the most absurd thing I can imagine.

Maybe it would be better to actually listen to what your youth are saying. With open minds and not our preconceived notions of what we think is right and wrong. We as the older generation are not as smart as we think we are. We have created far more problems than we have solved. Plus any short coming of our youth can be place right at our own feet. For those who have decided that wealth and material positions are far more important than raising our children properly.

The young are our future. They are the only national treasure that is given no value. We as the older generation are the ones who have fucked up. The state of the world and the economy are my examples, we did this not our children. Now we expect them to step up and clean up our mess, but fail to give them the encouragement they need and deserve. Their challenges are going to be far greater than anything we have ever imagined. The blame is ours for theirs. We need to grow up and take responsibility for our actions.

pittbulll · May 10, 2009, 8:28pm

[quote]streamline wrote:
orion wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rogue57 wrote:
I do believe that this is a very broad brush approach to the issue, but I just did not feel like writing a full fledged paper on the topic. I do think that I can prove my theory, however, I do NOT think that it is always the answer. There are, as Irish put it amazing people in every generation. I think that they are the ones who have carried us through the rough times, but where we are going nowadays is going to be a tough call and we need to reign some reality back into the lives of our youth. You can ask some simple questions to the population of America about the government and they will have no clue. I see it everyday.

I didn’t say that at all. Did you read what I posted?

It shows that there were schmucks like you saying this same shit 2,000 years ago.

The Youth is degenerated and dissolute.
They do not heed their parents’ word.
The end of the world is nigh.
-Cuneiform script from Ur (Sumeria/ today:Iraq),
2000 fucking BC

Yes, it’s the oldest lament.

And it proved to be true each and every time.

That part is often conveniently left out.

Maybe that’s because the youth are not blinded by preconcieved notions of their own grandeur. They can see guite clearly how our and previous generations have screwed and continue to screw up this beautiful planet. Our stupid petty differences and our inability to get along with others has in the past and will in the future create disillusion in our youth. The fact that we think our generation knows everything and our youth should follow our line of thought and reasoning without question is the most absurd thing I can imagine.

Maybe it would be better to actually listen to what your youth are saying. With open minds and not our preconceived notions of what we think is right and wrong. We as the older generation are not as smart as we think we are. We have created far more problems than we have solved. Plus any short coming of our youth can be place right at our own feet. For those who have decided that wealth and material positions are far more important than raising our children properly.

The young are our future. They are the only national treasure that is given no value. We as the older generation are the ones who have fucked up. The state of the world and the economy are my examples, we did this not our children. Now we expect them to step up and clean up our mess, but fail to give them the encouragement they need and deserve. Their challenges are going to be far greater than anything we have ever imagined. The blame is ours for theirs. We need to grow up and take responsibility for our actions.[/quote]

while I agree with you , it started before our time, we were not smart enough to see it coming

pittbulll · May 10, 2009, 8:38pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:
streamline wrote:
orion wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rogue57 wrote:
I do believe that this is a very broad brush approach to the issue, but I just did not feel like writing a full fledged paper on the topic. I do think that I can prove my theory, however, I do NOT think that it is always the answer. There are, as Irish put it amazing people in every generation. I think that they are the ones who have carried us through the rough times, but where we are going nowadays is going to be a tough call and we need to reign some reality back into the lives of our youth. You can ask some simple questions to the population of America about the government and they will have no clue. I see it everyday.

I didn’t say that at all. Did you read what I posted?

It shows that there were schmucks like you saying this same shit 2,000 years ago.

The Youth is degenerated and dissolute.
They do not heed their parents’ word.
The end of the world is nigh.
-Cuneiform script from Ur (Sumeria/ today:Iraq),
2000 fucking BC

Yes, it’s the oldest lament.

And it proved to be true each and every time.

That part is often conveniently left out.

Maybe that’s because the youth are not blinded by preconcieved notions of their own grandeur. They can see guite clearly how our and previous generations have screwed and continue to screw up this beautiful planet. Our stupid petty differences and our inability to get along with others has in the past and will in the future create disillusion in our youth. The fact that we think our generation knows everything and our youth should follow our line of thought and reasoning without question is the most absurd thing I can imagine.

Maybe it would be better to actually listen to what your youth are saying. With open minds and not our preconceived notions of what we think is right and wrong. We as the older generation are not as smart as we think we are. We have created far more problems than we have solved. Plus any short coming of our youth can be place right at our own feet. For those who have decided that wealth and material positions are far more important than raising our children properly.

The young are our future. They are the only national treasure that is given no value. We as the older generation are the ones who have fucked up. The state of the world and the economy are my examples, we did this not our children. Now we expect them to step up and clean up our mess, but fail to give them the encouragement they need and deserve. Their challenges are going to be far greater than anything we have ever imagined. The blame is ours for theirs. We need to grow up and take responsibility for our actions.

B.C. bud. It really does help you think clearly.

[/quote]

I personally would not make an important decision while smoked up, but I would probably consider the problem at some point that way.

streamline · May 10, 2009, 9:11pm

[quote]pushharder wrote:

B.C. bud. It really does help you think clearly.

[/quote]

Now that you mention it. It’s legalization and taxation maybe the answer To the present crisis in the USA.

Just a thought.

AlisaV · May 10, 2009, 9:19pm

Oh, for cry-eye. Yes, some people lack personal responsibility. Some people still have it. It doesn’t have a heck of a lot to do with gender, or how masculinity is performed, or (honestly) whether you like guns or work out, though I think working out is good for people and gun use can be. “Our boys are becoming feminized!” is an old and somewhat creepy refrain (consider George Gilder The Idea of the (Feminized) University | Discovery Institute and a good counterargument http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=700 ). It tends to go with a martial kind of nationalism that I’ve never trusted. (Too many family stories about Europe in the 30’s, sorry.)

I’ll admit my generation has problems. Sometimes it seems like everyone I know has been in therapy, if not medicated. Sometimes I worry about us. But you do the best you can, and there’s a lot of tough and brilliant people my age, people I admire greatly. The good things in human nature never quite die out. I’m very sure of that.

On a few other random notes – yes! Someone else who believes in the 9th and 10th amendments! Thank you, Push. And Tom – the fact is, “Capitalism and Freedom” quite honestly turned my life around. The idea that every individual’s life is his or her own to shape, the idea that humans are pretty resourceful if we give them a chance to try – it’s the most powerful source of hope I’ve yet found, and I wish I’d gotten it into my bones much younger. Don’t see what’s wrong with fairness, though. What’s so bad about treating people honestly and fairly?

anon31651765 · May 11, 2009, 12:27am