[quote]Zackgsc wrote:
I was deeply disappointing.[/quote]
Sounds like you might have some self-esteem issues, bro. 
i saw it again yesterday. i agree the veidt casting was a little lightweight. i liked some parts more on second viewing and some less. it is not the kind of movie that you can see one time or even two times to get the full impact or message, imo. i think they tried to update in a subtle way to the present without diluting the base ideolgy of the novel.
i think they nailed it with a little compromise which always happens when you translate from books to movies. books are always more raw. film has to be much more subversive to get past the powers that allow it to exist.
Caught it on Friday. Got to say that I thought it was awesome.
Rorschach was the best acted of all the characters, almost a perfect embodiment of the comic book character; I agree that Dr Manhattan wasn’t as inhuman as he was in the comic, but he still worked well, although I was shocked that they kept in as much of his nudity as they did. Interesting that, when he was in giant mode, you never actually saw his penis.
Fight scenes were also excellent, although they didn’t give reason for why Veidt was so utterly terribly fast and strong, so that when we left the theatre some of the guys I were with (none of whom had read the comic) were wondering if he had any powers or not.
Was anyone else bothered by the way the fight scenes were staged? The fighting was just minor details after all and not the main focus of things. The movie wasted so much time with drawn out, over the top battles; where the comic had a certain economy of violence without sugar coating anything.
There were scenes such as Rorschach’s origin story that were rushed and could have been fleshed out much better. If Zach Synder hadn’t spent so much time showing people flying around like rag dolls after being punched and kicked over and over, that time could have been there.
i like fell in love with silk spectre, i tried to beat off when i got home from the movie at like 2am but i fucking felt guilty because it wasn’t her lol
[quote]Diamond Dave wrote:
Was anyone else bothered by the way the fight scenes were staged? The fighting was just minor details after all and not the main focus of things. The movie wasted so much time with drawn out, over the top battles; where the comic had a certain economy of violence without sugar coating anything.
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Well… the book wasn’t very heavy on violence or ‘action.’ Snyder had to utilize what he had, and try to draw it out. I much preffer this to adding in extra monotonous fighting that never happened. Personally, I liked the way they staged the fights… it was elegant and crushing at the same time.
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Not to sound lame, but I thought the way they opened the movie with “Unforgettable” in the Comedian scene was brilliant - especially knowing the full impact of the character prior to the scene. Maybe it’s just me.
I thought it was terrible and drawn out, but i hadnt read the book so maybe it was brilliant. 2/10
I enjoyed the movie a lot, I never read the graphic novel though, what was the ending in the graphic novel?
I really like how they changed the standard “I want to rule the world” villain into something that you could sympathize with.
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It seemed like Ozzymandius (sp?) could’ve made that story up at the end just to keep Dr. Manhatten from dealing with him permanently.
It makes you wonder what his real motive was.
[quote]50_Caliber wrote:
I enjoyed the movie a lot, I never read the graphic novel though, what was the ending in the graphic novel?
I really like how they changed the standard “I want to rule the world” villain into something that you could sympathize with.
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It seemed like Ozzymandius (sp?) could’ve made that story up at the end just to keep Dr. Manhatten from dealing with him permanently.
It makes you wonder what his real motive was.[/quote]
No. No… no no no. Facepalm
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There is no ‘hidden motive.’ Veidt’s ‘vendetta’ and the set-up of Dr. Manhattan is purely movie-made. In the book, he stages an attack with these large squid-like creatures so that both the Russians and Americans believe that there’s an alien threat.
DO NOT OVERTHINK THE MOVIE… It’s just not correct.
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I’ve also come to notice that 8/10 people that haven’t read the book hate the movie, which doesn’t surprise me. I’d kind of figured it’d be that way. This was a movie made for the hardcore fans, but tailored to the general public.
Sigh…
I agree, SSC. It seems so far that most of the people that didn’t like the book are the ones that didn’t care for the movie.
I only finished reading the book about two weeks ago, so it was pretty fresh in my mind for the most part. I really enjoyed the movie and thought it was pretty spot on in most parts.
I agree with the comments about Veidt’s casting and Dr. Manhattan’s voice not being right.
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I don’t mind that they changed the end. I didn’t think that giant squids would have necessarily worked in the first place. However, did you notice what one the monitors said on the screen as they showed the control room with the displays counting down?
[quote]SSC wrote:
SPOILERS (Guy I’m quoting didn’t use them properly…)
I don’t think it made as much sense for the two countries to become allies simple in response do Dr. Manhattan’s alleged attacks.[/quote]
I liked that aspect of it…sort of like, “we’d better be good, because God’s watching us.”
I didn’t read the book, but I want to now, I freaking loved this movie, I had to get about 24 hours away from it to decide just how much though.
Think i’ll prob get the dvd when it comes out, I want to see that mockumentry they made.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
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I don’t mind that they changed the end. I didn’t think that giant squids would have necessarily worked in the first place. However, did you notice what one the monitors said on the screen as they showed the control room with the displays counting down?
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Right… immediately, I didn’t mind so much. Hearing some of the “speculation” about Veidt’s ‘motives’ or whatever is what starts to irk me, though. The squids would have been tricky to pull off, but then again, as I’ve already bitched about, it seems like they just changed Veidt’s character essence around too much with the altered ending.
And I didn’t catch anything on the monitors - What did I miss?!
I loved the movie. I haven’t read the comics at all and had no previous knowledge about the story going into the theater.
I was really expecting it to be a pile of shit that would barely be better than 300 and was pleasantly surprised.
That movie ruined my shit because my girlfriend and I were just dying from laughter throughout the whole thing. The tweaked music, love scene, and over the top violence were just hilarious. Plus you have some of the best witty satire/sarcasm I’ve seen in a movie in quite some time.
I think a lot of the reason people/critics have problems with the movie are due to the fact that they are too fucking stupid to get it. If you take the movie very seriously and can’t read between the lines it would be a really bad and awkward experience…either that or my girlfriend and I are just really demented.
Final Thoughts: Anyone else feel that the creators owe us a movie with lots of female nudity? FFS there was blue cock every where plus the 1/2 naked males in 300 the nudity scales just seem unbalanced. I would of much rather seen the redhead chick naked than the daughter…nice thick ass but no titties.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Final Thoughts: Anyone else feel that the creators owe us a movie with lots of female nudity? FFS there was blue cock every where plus the 1/2 naked males in 300 the nudity scales just seem unbalanced.
I would of much rather seen the redhead chick naked than the daughter…nice thick ass but no titties.[/quote]
Ugh. The other annoying qualm I have is this. I’m sick of hearing about the fucking blue cock. It was only in the movie like three times… MAYBE. Probably not even as much as the comic, either. And it wasn’t even real.
I’m not saying this to YOU, Ghorig, because I know it’s more of an afterthought, but anyone who’s more interested in a fake CGI dick than a driving political message is a fucking moron or needs to grow up.
[quote]SSC wrote:
I think the movie was too focused on making Adrian seem like a ‘bad’ character that, by using the new ending, it took away any sort of real credibility he had.
He DIDN’T set up his long-time friend and have everyone unite against him. I don’t think it made as much sense for the two countries to become allies simple in response do Dr. Manhattan’s alleged attacks.
I still thought the movie was great, but the carelessness of the Ozzymandias character and how they set up his motives is the one big thing that’s still bothering me.[/quote]
I definitely agree on that point. They spent a lot of time making Veidt look (and sound) like a Petulant villainous twat. They even have him glaring spitefully at the Comedian in one of the flashbacks, so that when he kills him later it looks more like a grudge killing.
[quote]SSC wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
SPOILER ALERT******
I don’t mind that they changed the end. I didn’t think that giant squids would have necessarily worked in the first place. However, did you notice what one the monitors said on the screen as they showed the control room with the displays counting down?
Right… immediately, I didn’t mind so much. Hearing some of the “speculation” about Veidt’s ‘motives’ or whatever is what starts to irk me, though. The squids would have been tricky to pull off, but then again, as I’ve already bitched about, it seems like they just changed Veidt’s character essence around too much with the altered ending.
And I didn’t catch anything on the monitors - What did I miss?![/quote]
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One of the monitors at the bottom of screen as the camera panned to the left said “S.Q.U.I.D.”. That made me chuckle a bit.
I do agree though that the changes in Veidt, especially his dialog at the end, kind of messed with the essence of the character.
They at least kept the part about him saying he sees the faces of all the people he killed and I think they tried to replace some of that dialog by adding the sequence where he allows Nite Owl to beat on him without fighting back.
Then, they moved some of Manhattan and Veidt’s final dialog to his final conversation with Laurie instead, but they kind of had to do that because of the other changes.
Some of you may already be aware of this, but here are some of the upcoming details (from Wiki) regarding the “Tales of the Black Freighter” (with “Under The Hood”) DVD release, as well as plans for an extended, director’s cut later this year.
[i]Tales of the Black Freighter, a comic within the Watchmen comic, will be adapted as a direct-to-video animated feature from Warner Premiere and Warner Bros. Animation, which will be released on March 24, 2009.[108] It was originally included in the script,[82] but was cut due to budget restrictions,[80] as the segment would have added $20 million to the budget, because Snyder wanted to film it in a stylized manner reminiscent of 300.[108] Snyder considered including the animated film in the final cut,[10] but the film was already approaching a three hour running time.[108] Gerard Butler, who starred in 300, voices the Captain in the film, having been promised a role in the film, which never materialized.[109] Jared Harris voices his deceased friend Ridley, whom the Captain hallucinates is talking to him. Snyder had Butler and Harris record their parts together.[110]
The Tales of the Black Freighter DVD will also include Under the Hood, a documentary detailing the characters’ backstories, which takes its title from that of Hollis Mason’s memoirs in the comic book.[108] Under the Hood is rated PG because of the friendly public image of the characters. The actors were allowed to improvise during filming interviews in character.[111] The film itself is scheduled to be released on DVD four months after Tales of the Black Freighter, and Warner Bros. will release a director’s cut and the extended version in July 2009, with the animated film edited back into the main picture.[108][107] Snyder said if the film does well enough, the director’s cut will be simultaneously theatrically released in New York and Los Angeles.[65] In addition, the Watchmen: Motion Comics, which appeared in digital video stores will also be released on DVD on March 3 and include an exclusive scene from the movie.[112][/i]
The casting director(s) for Watchmen deserve a huge bonus for their sterling work. Matthew Goode was born to play Ozymandias. Think about it: Veidt is supposed to be a vegetarian, and Matthew Goode is built like one…
So is Bill Pearl . . .
Dammit. Can’t get to see this til at least Thursday.