That sounds like a violation of your rights. I don’t know if there is a law specifically against that in Canada, but I have never heard of any job requiring a piss test.
So that gets to infringing upon other’s rights. I am not so cool with that. Where I am from you can’t smoke in really any public places except Native casinos (which I believe are considered a separate nation inside of the US, so different laws apply).
Before this job, I got drug screened for every job I have had.
Are you talking about smoking indoors or just out in public? You can’t smoke in any public building or any “workplace”, but anywhere outside that isn’t less that 10 metres or so from certain buildings is fine.
Maybe that explains all the people who don’t want to work or are happy with minimum wage jobs. Unless I do a drug tested PL meet, nobody is going to test me.
Where I am from at least you can’t smoke tobacco in any public buildings (stores, restaurants, work). You can smoke tobacco in many places outdoors. Weed is not allowed in outdoor public places in the weed legal states (mine is not) I have been to. People obviously do it, but you could get in trouble for it.
It seems the minimum wage jobs test more than white collar jobs (I could be wrong here, this is just my feeling). White collar they seem to assume either you are clean or function fine with weed. Being able to meet the credentials, having a good resume and dressing well is kinda the indicator.
The state next to me proposed drug testing anyone who received government aid. That never happened as an analysis showed it would cost more to screen people than the amount that they estimated they would save.
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It’s weird that they would test for minimum wage jobs, there are some jobs where most of the adults willing to do them are alcoholics and drug users so they should just be happy that someone is willing to work for them.
My impression is that in the US a lot of people have this sort of “moral outrage” about drugs. If you are into certain drugs you might be an idiot or a loser, but it doesn’t mean you are necessarily a bad person. And if you are willing to work then why not?
No wonder the US has so many people in jail.
I used to work with a guy who was into coke but still was a good worker. He was the kind of guy who would get his paycheck and go buy an 8 ball and pick up a hooker, a few times he took off for a couple of days and came back with a bunch of excuses but in the restaurant business that unfortunately isn’t unusual. The owners knew what he was up to, but he wasn’t high at work and did a good job so they kept him around. You could hire someone who doesn’t do drugs but doesn’t do a good job either, is that better?
I really am not super confident about what testing goes into the low end jobs. It has been a over decade since I have worked in a job like that (car wash during my college years).
The tide is slowly changing on this. Some are starting to view it more as a disease and viewing the person as someone who needs help.
The criminal justice system isn’t terrible, but not great either. Poor people who can’t pay bail often spend over a year behind bars before even getting a trial (that is not okay IMO). Punishments are often not proportional to the crime. Get caught with weed, spend a weekend doing highway clean up seems more reasonable than jail time. Punishments vary drastically by state. Some states a couple grams = jail time.
There’s been a MASSIVE shift in recent years with large scale companies.
It’s nearly completely driven by cost. Bcg/drug checks are fuckin expensive
Drug testing to work in a car wash just sounds ridiculous.
This is what I notice, charges that might get you a couple months or maybe probation in Canada get you years and years in the US. Seems a bit excessive for minor things. Then the private prisons where you come out owing thousands of dollars, that just isn’t right. The sentence alone is supposed to be the punishment, instead people are fucked for life and often for minor stuff, but if they were rich and did the same thing it would be no big deal.
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A lot of jobs here want background checks when they hire you, but you have to pay for it yourself. I heard the price went up too, I think it’s over $100 for one that they do on the spot, otherwise they send it to you in the mail months later.
Background checks are still nearly universal for most financial esque roles. Think accounting, controllers, auditors, compliance, some analysts.
Don’t quote me here, but I’m 90% sure that doesn’t happen in the US because it’s illegal. I don’t think it applies to specialized training you’d need to be hired for a job, but even then people are typically technically temporary contingent on getting the training done.
Edit: I stand corrected. It’s state dependent.
https://www.certiphi.com/resource-center/background-screening/charging-applicants-for-background-check-costs/
Are you talking credit checks or criminal record checks?
A lot of jobs here require criminal record checks, you can still potentially get hired if you have a record but it depends on the employer and for what. Credit checks are normally only for stuff where you have access to a lot of money, I guess they figure if you are in debt and aren’t paying it off then you are more likely to rob them too.
I know about 25 + people, though the binge drinking culture in Aus, and the jewish community here during Purim is ridiculous. I’ve had to take someone to the ER for alcohol poisoning before (unresponsive, unconscious, choking on his own vomit etc)
I indirectly know of three who have died from… choking on their own vomit.
There isn’t, because there is little recreational value in such a drug… I assume it’ll be used within therapeutic settings eventually. Having taken shrooms myself (legally), I can attest that it does open one up to new concept/ideologies, makes one very introspective, delve within the depths of their mind…
Shrooms similarly to acid have a VERY VERY low chance of inducing flashbacks… you can’t possibly tell me I shouldn’t be able to drive on the 1/10000000 or whatever chance I have a flashback whilst driving (something I’ve never had).
Probably because no one wants to drop acid/take shrooms at a house party or club (aside from microdosages)… recreationally there isn’t all that much value in them.
Not really, tobacco is legalised here, yet no one is encouraging it’s use or stating it’s okay, I think it depends how we go about legalisation. If we advertise, make it look enticing like we do alcohol then yes… If we fund campaigns deterring the use, put warnings all over the packaging, ban advertising and more than no… I don’t think it’ll encourage use. Though personally I don’t think the avg, healthy adult using LSD/shrooms sparingly is a big deal at all. It opens one up to new perspectives, it’s a very interesting experience allowing one to deeply delve within their own mind… still, I’d never recommend it to anyone (shrooms, I’ve never used LSD)
Really? Like… recreational weed dispensaries? If that happened here (was sort of happening in Nimbin decades back) the government would shut it down immediately, give the owners like… life in prison lol
Not exactly, you can refuse to hire someone on the basis of “he’s an alcoholic”
You fucking should get in trouble for discriminating against homosexuality… it isn’t a choice, you’re discriminating for an attribute harboured by someone that is
- beyond you’re control
- doesn’t effect you
- isn’t anyones business
Who cares if he hooks up with another guy (vice versa with women)? Doesn’t effect you
wow… progressive…
This is being phased out state by state.
Would it though? If we banned public consumption and heavy enforced said law it wouldn’t. Furthermore, if we banned public intoxication and heavily enforced THAT law it’d stop much of the alcohol fuelled violence that currently plagues the world. Problem is, that’d mean if you want to get a bit tipsy you can only do it in you’re own home… no more bars, clubs etc… not practical
I mean… is it though? With weed, yes… esp given piss tests can detect usage from a month ago. But if my employee is doing crystal meth, I probably won’t want them working for me on the basis of “they’re legitimately a liability”
In the army in Aus they piss test you regularly (for EVERYTHING), they’re even trialling hair tests, doing tests for PED’s etc… randomly… multiple times per year. You can’t even smoke cigarettes for the first 3 months (basic training)… but you can drink during… and you can smoke after basic training.
Fucking hell here I need a background check to work a menial, minimum wage job at the supermarket…
Again, with enough man power and force, damn near any law can be put into practice, whether that law is “fair” or not.
Sure, but in terms of practicality
- how much does it cost
- what will public response be
- Is this infringing upon human rights
Is it practical to strictly enforce no one drinks a beer in public? That no one gets drunk at a bar? Not particularly, we have bigger fish to fry.
These ideologies “just police it until there’s police everywhere overmatching every civilians every step” to me sound like the characteristics of dicatorships/ authoritarian regimes. Within civilised, secular society I just can’t see this happening.
Actually the reason you enjoy many freedoms is because of Australian police and military, which will employ violence if needed to protect them. So however you want to live or actually live is backed up by force and imposition of people’s’ wills.
Also, we get it by now: you don’t like theocracies or dictatorships. Others see them as fine. Example: A Wahhabist Muslim living in Saudi Arabia.
What are you referring to… this is on the basis of what civilised society dictates (“civilised”)
If an antifa style group arises here and starts wrecking havoc upon the public, the police will use whatever force necessary to reinstate peace within society… If the police decide to start coming out en mass numbers patrolling the cities (like MASSIVE amounts, twenty on every street etc) to make sure no one drinks more than one beer at a pub it’s
- a waste of money
- not affordable/sustainable
- will make people uncomfortable
Though I understand what you mean, I believe you’re speaking hypothetically. If you are serious (which I don’t think you are) and believe society would be better off with police LITERALLY everywhere to make sure no one smokes a joint, gets up to any kind of mischief whatsoever then I’d argue you do abide by the ideology off “follow the rules just because”.
Would you be comfortable if 20-30 policemen were deployed within every single street, vigilantly watching over every single move you make?
Furthermore I have a question regarding you’re disbelief in freedom of choice… What about all you’re bodybuilding friends? I’d bet my left nut that Arash Rahbar isn’t only “not natty”, but that he doses heavily. According to you’re ideology he should probably be receiving some kind of punishment, nor should he be able to do what he does.
Dictatorships fragrantly violate basic human rights… If you believe in the ideologies preached by authoritative regimes, why not go live in China? The problem with dictatorships stems from the fact that the public has no say regarding what is/isn’t enforced… Law should be enforced/catered to what the majority demographic believes. Give me one dictatorship that doesn’t regularly enforce ideologies that the majority of the world would say “this infringes upon basic human rights”… give me one blatantly authoritative regime that hasn’t been accused of committing atrocities
I don’t believe the majority would agree with all of you’re ideologies, just as the majority probably won’t agree with mine (esp regarding gun control, immigration, abortion etc)
These regimes/dictatorships tend to cater towards the manipulation of a gullible mass (esp those within third world countries). Other times (such as recently in Turkey) the populace has no choice, it’s a result of forced government overtaking.
I don’t know about that, back in the 60’s and 70’s it was popular and plenty of kids were taking it 20 years ago when I was in high school.
I never heard of anyone having a shroom flashback, but I have seen people have acid flashbacks. Like they are just sitting there and suddenly go into a trance and start hallucinating. I’m pretty sure you have to take LSD multiple times for that to happen.
Not true, they used to have these parties called “raves” where people were taking all sorts of psychedelic drugs, that was how ecstacy became popular in the first place over here. Acid and shrooms were popular at those parties, as well as ketamine and other stuff. I never went t any of those parties because I was never that stupid, but I know what was going on.
The difference is that they have campaigns against smoking, plus it’s been around for a long time.
Yes, stores openly advertising that they sell weed and when you walk in weed is everywhere. The one beside my work was called Doctor Greenthumb.
Are you sure? I wouldn’t be surprised if they could spin that as some kind of human rights violation. At least here in Canada.
I was using that as a comparison, but I don’t see how you can argue that sticking your dick in a another man’s ass isn’t a choice. Whatever happened to self control?
They allow you to smoke weed in public here, nothing you can do about it.
Yeah but there is no probable cause to suspect every job applicant is a meth addict, is there? Maybe it’s just because piss tests for a job are a completely foreign concept to me, but it doesn’t seem right at all. And then addicts have no choice but to commit crimes.