I dont particularly like the idea of this either considering I’m not a barbaric person but if an intended effect doesn’t work with less severe means, upping the ante is a thought in several situations. Similar to drugs or roids really. If an athlete doesn’t get an effect with 300 mg, he can try 600, and so on and son on.
What about it? I don’t remember it mentioned.
Pharmaceutical drugs are most certainly abused… benzodiazepines, opiates, z-drugs, muscle relaxants etc… There’s also rampant overprescribing over such substances, I was given two diazepam just to sleep last night… (didn’t abuse anything, hadn’t slept in 46 hours)… I feel terrible today…
They’re upped the ante many times. With anabolic steroids, no harm was being induced to anyone besides the user prior to scheduling. We’ve got data regarding what happens within more lenient societies, the sky doesn’t fall… Within Portugul drug use rates between the 13-15 age group even decreased… so why not try something not leaning towards authoritative punishment? Why not trial a more lenient approach?
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Well, its a crime that doesn’t particularly harm anyone (typically)… on the basis of beheadings for someone selling pot, why not behead someone for jaywalking
Yeah, why not…
Because it’s barbaric, such laws would acquire mass opposition from most besides those who believe in authoritarianism, harsh punishments and discredit the science currently available to the masses on the basis of personal anecdote (in my opinion, we can agree to disagree)
You start implementing laws beheading/killing drug users/sellers… as @pfury said, you’re describing a third world country with a lack of emphasis on human rights
I’d believe you, but if you legitimately can’t see why jaywalkers shouldn’t be beheaded (I think you were asking a rhetorical question)… then I’d say you do cater towards barbaric punishment
Look at the consequence regarding the Phillipines drug war, civilian suppression in Saudi Arabia (esp womens rights etc)… Do you think instating an authoritative regime is the right answer? I don’t, I think it induced more harm than it does good. On the basis of trying to minimise harm… I don’t think we should start killing people for jaywalking, being gay, selling pot etc
It was a joke! Are you kidding me?!
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Not really, I’m on the spectrum and can’t always decipher when someone is or isn’t joking. Esp online wherein no tone of voice and/or body language (which I already have trouble deciphering) is present. In this particular case (on a forum) I will take someones word on a basis of “he said this… so that’s what he thinks”
As I’ve specified, a society without illicit drug use is a better society 100% of the time… but realistically I doubt this can’t be achieved without fragrantly violating human rights/ enforcing every community becomes an absolute police state wherein EVERY SINGLE RULE, not matter how stupid is strictly enforced… civilian surveillance would be required
Yeah, only 1/3 of the cigarettes sold in Ontario.
Saudi Arabia is not the example I advise to follow, just one country that has managed to maintain order by giving severe punishments for crimes. There was something last year in the news about them executing a bunch of people who claimed to have been tortured into confessing, it’s a messed up place. Look what they did to that Khashoggi guy.
If a place is completely going to shit because of drugs and crime then there is a strong argument for executions and stuff like that, but otherwise I agree that it could be a situation where the cure is worse than the disease.
Alright… look at what the Phillipines have done vs what Portugul has done… two has the death/incarceratino/overdose and overall usage rates been altered? Which community has had a better outcome. Tens of thousands of civilians dead vs an overdose rate 1/5th that of the US when adjusted for populace… less problematic drug users, less use amongst younger people.
I won’t argue for executions because I, as an individual (others can believe whatever they wish) feel this to be a regressive, barbaric policy
Are a lot of Filipinos overdosing? I didn’t hear anything about that, seems to be a much bigger issue with opiates than the meth they smoke over there.
According to them it’s working well:
"From more than 626,000 from July 2015 to June 2016, he said the total crime volume in the country decreased by 58,276 or 9.30 percent during the first year of President Duterte’s term covering the period July 2016 to June 2017.
And this further decreased by 79,647 incidents or 14.02 percent on the second year covering the period July 2017 to June 2018, and further went down by 2.91 percent on the third year covering the period July 2018 to June 2019."
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-08/10/c_138297141.htm
There are other countries where crime and violence is out of control and a lot of people want to bring back the death penalty and Duterte-style policing, like Jamaica. Half the country is under a state of emergency and the murder rate is increasing again, 2nd highest in the world last year. Drugs aren’t even the issue over there, robberies, extortion, and murder are the problem.
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Firstly, Duterte is a psychopath, he’s been known to doctor/alter facts
The level of shipments pertaining to methamphetamine coming in and out of the country has ceased to change, nor has the amount of drug networking within the country.
Should also be noted a 11 percent reduction has nothing to do with lawless, extrajudicial killings of those SUSPECTED to use/sell drugs, it’s akin to the Salem Witch Trials “she’s a witch”, thus burning said accused at the stake
Innocent civilians are dying en mass, a 11 percent reduction in crime volume… the death toll is reported to be around 20,000-30,000… regardless of whether it’s guilt induced or not… this pales compared to the MILLIONS (statistically) of Phillipines that use drugs
There is no argument for the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians. These extrajudicial killings are crossing over to the deaths of political activists, human rights advocates etc regardless of drug use
As @Brickhead had priorly mentioned about the need for differing societies… why not move to the Phillipines if you believe it to be a model of efficiency? Singapore is another contender, though if you’re gay you’ll probably be endlessly persecuted
If extra judicial killings were considered a crime, rates have skyrocketed
Yeah, they need to kill a lot more people…
I’m not saying it’s morally right or whatever, but if your country is falling apart due to drugs then declaring war on drug dealers and users isn’t unreasonable. And most Filipinos support it too. They also offered them the chance to turn themselves in. The big problem is that there are reports of people not involved in drugs at all being killed and drugs planted on them or false accusations made of drug dealing, some people are using this as a way to kill their enemies with impunity.
That’s a dumb thing to say, Canada might have its share of junkies and criminals but it’s not that bad. The Philippines doesn’t sound like a very good place at all.
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Do you think that legalizing crystal meth would have had a positive outcome for the Philippines?
Is it? Post initiation of the drug war in the Phillipines… the country is now considered the forth most dangerous place to live… in the world
I understand combatting the usage of all drugs, but lumping in heroin and LSD is stupid…
Hmmmmm, probably not. Decriminalisation and education would probably have a better outcome. A lack of an educated populace is present within the Phillipines. Resources put into ensuring adequate education, esp pertaining to the harms of meth would curb use.
Hence why in Aus the ice epidemic is predominantly centred around rural communities, those of low socioeconomic status etc
Maybe for drug dealers and addicts, but not for everyone else. Whatever statistics you base that on are totally skewed against Duterte.
What are you trying to say, LSD is OK? Doesn’t really seem like it, maybe not addictive but can make people go crazy and mess up their brains. I wouldn’t try it.
Not really, many innocent civilians, political activists etc are dying. You forget these are extrajudicial killings… law enforcement has nothing to do with it
Show me the data, evidence suggests it’s about the safest drug a health adult man can take. The prevalence of HPPD is 1/50,000… not after a singular use, but after chronic, repeated usage. Compare one in 50,000 to how many you know who have had their stomach pumps from alcohol poisoning… I know about twenty who have required hospitalisation due to booze… I know ONE person who ended up in the ER after taking exorbitant amounts of LSD combined with MDMA in public, walked into oncoming traffic
Studies are now showcasing the therapeutic benefit these drugs can have within a medicinal setting. I’ve seen literally hundreds drop LSD in safe, controlled environments. I’ve seen one ACUTE adverse reaction
The notion of stating LSD fucks up you’re brain if used sparingly is the same as those who say cannabis shouldn’t be legalised on the basis that it induces psychosis.
Alcohol can fuck up you’re brain too… stemming from even occasional binge drinking. No amount of drug use is okay or healthy, but saying LSD =/= heroin is just stupid (in my opinion)
As @BrickHead had specified prior, an optimal society (farcical, fanasy etc) is one WITHOUT drug addiction/use. As a matter of fact I’d go as far as to say an optimal society would dictate that everyone is treated with adequate and affordable healthcare catered towards the individual rather than a blanket spread
Those who simply chose not to work/sit on their ass shouldn’t receive the same standard of care. Initially when I was referring to illness not being present anymore, I wasn’t preposing we’d WIPE out those with ailments (such as myself)… that’s some nazi style ideology, I was referring to health ailment simply not existing as the concept we’ve brought up (optimal society) is fantasy… an impossibility
You should dedicate an absurd amount of time to working on this and bringing it up. Being on the spectrum is a crutch people won’t tolerate forever.
Plus @BrickHead was hilariously obvious with it being a talking point. I even said
The ability to discern obvious jokes will be invaluable to your life
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