The Walking Dead Season 2 Pt. 2

Christine · March 7, 2012, 10:23pm

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

I agree with this except for the leaving the kid with strangers part. At this point, they aren’t exactly strangers anymore.

polo77j · March 7, 2012, 10:29pm

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

What I really wanna know is how one misses a shambling zombie in a field? Since when do zombies use stealth mode? It was dead quiet (no pun intended) and zombies make gutteral sounds almost constantly especially when they’re approaching food…

I know it was dark, but it looked like the moon was shining bright enough to notice that that 5’8’’ tall tree over yonder seems to be moseying this way and that

BDSLift · March 7, 2012, 10:33pm

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

I agree with this except for the leaving the kid with strangers part. At this point, they aren’t exactly strangers anymore.[/quote]

End of the World time. Hell a Mother should have that kid tied to the Hip and yes they are all still strangers.

Christine · March 7, 2012, 10:36pm

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

I agree with this except for the leaving the kid with strangers part. At this point, they aren’t exactly strangers anymore.[/quote]

End of the World time. Hell a Mother should have that kid tied to the Hip and yes they are all still strangers.[/quote]

What’s he gonna learn from Lori about surviving in a world of zombies? How to make sandwiches?

He’s much better off hanging around Shane (who would never hurt him or let anything happen to him because he is in love with Lori) or Andrea. At least he might learn to shoot.

BDSLift · March 7, 2012, 10:38pm

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

What I really wanna know is how one misses a shambling zombie in a field? Since when do zombies use stealth mode? It was dead quiet (no pun intended) and zombies make gutteral sounds almost constantly especially when they’re approaching food…

I know it was dark, but it looked like the moon was shining bright enough to notice that that 5’8’’ tall tree over yonder seems to be moseying this way and that[/quote]

DAMN DAMN good point.

Only guess is the writers made Dale a blithering old man not the sharp old geezer he is in the book.

Fell Victim to the “Zombie Darwin Rule” the dumb old and stupid shall evolve into snacks

Swolegasm · March 7, 2012, 10:52pm

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

What I really wanna know is how one misses a shambling zombie in a field? Since when do zombies use stealth mode? It was dead quiet (no pun intended) and zombies make gutteral sounds almost constantly especially when they’re approaching food…

I know it was dark, but it looked like the moon was shining bright enough to notice that that 5’8’’ tall tree over yonder seems to be moseying this way and that[/quote]

DAMN DAMN good point.

Only guess is the writers made Dale a blithering old man not the sharp old geezer he is in the book.

Fell Victim to the “Zombie Darwin Rule” the dumb old and stupid shall evolve into snacks
[/quote]

What i dont get is how he couldn’t get a anorexic zombie off him.

BDSLift · March 7, 2012, 10:52pm

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

I agree with this except for the leaving the kid with strangers part. At this point, they aren’t exactly strangers anymore.[/quote]

End of the World time. Hell a Mother should have that kid tied to the Hip and yes they are all still strangers.[/quote]

What’s he gonna learn from Lori about surviving in a world of zombies? How to make sandwiches?

He’s much better off hanging around Shane (who would never hurt him or let anything happen to him because he is in love with Lori) or Andrea. At least he might learn to shoot.[/quote]

True but he will also learn to be A Crazy Sneaky Fucker… But Lori is a Sneaky fucker also.

BDSLift · March 7, 2012, 10:57pm

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

What I really wanna know is how one misses a shambling zombie in a field? Since when do zombies use stealth mode? It was dead quiet (no pun intended) and zombies make gutteral sounds almost constantly especially when they’re approaching food…

I know it was dark, but it looked like the moon was shining bright enough to notice that that 5’8’’ tall tree over yonder seems to be moseying this way and that[/quote]

DAMN DAMN good point.

Only guess is the writers made Dale a blithering old man not the sharp old geezer he is in the book.

Fell Victim to the “Zombie Darwin Rule” the dumb old and stupid shall evolve into snacks
[/quote]

What i dont get is how he couldn’t get a anorexic zombie off him. [/quote]

Zombie Torque Power?

Robert_A · March 8, 2012, 4:05am

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

What I really wanna know is how one misses a shambling zombie in a field? Since when do zombies use stealth mode? It was dead quiet (no pun intended) and zombies make gutteral sounds almost constantly especially when they’re approaching food…

I know it was dark, but it looked like the moon was shining bright enough to notice that that 5’8’’ tall tree over yonder seems to be moseying this way and that[/quote]

DAMN DAMN good point.

Only guess is the writers made Dale a blithering old man not the sharp old geezer he is in the book.

Fell Victim to the “Zombie Darwin Rule” the dumb old and stupid shall evolve into snacks
[/quote]

What i dont get is how he couldn’t get a anorexic zombie off him. [/quote]

Zombie Torque Power?
[/quote]

The same zombie that was outsmarted by mud and couldn’t hold on to Carl in the woods, tackled, held down, and eviscerated a cow as a lure to bag a human. It wasn’t eating the cow, like all the other zombies in the show would have. Then it engaged its stealth ability and took down Dale. The scene rocked, but it is not at all in line with the “Walking Dead” zombie cannon thus far.

That zombie showed more cunning and athletic ability than anyone in “the group”, with the exception of Bionic Redneck and their magic skull piercing folding knives.

Regards,

Robert A

Robert_A · March 8, 2012, 4:18am

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

I agree with this except for the leaving the kid with strangers part. At this point, they aren’t exactly strangers anymore.[/quote]

End of the World time. Hell a Mother should have that kid tied to the Hip and yes they are all still strangers.[/quote]

What’s he gonna learn from Lori about surviving in a world of zombies? How to make sandwiches?

He’s much better off hanging around Shane (who would never hurt him or let anything happen to him because he is in love with Lori) or Andrea. At least he might learn to shoot.[/quote]

He was already in on the group shooting school.

Lori is useless, which is ok. I understand and even support having a useless/non-hacking character that is being kept alive by the group. The problem is she is unbelievable. If she was just self centered, or failing to adjust than fine. She isn’t. She is being written/played like the bad guys in an 80’s cartoon, evil yet laughably incompetent.

I don’t think it is fair to draw too much from all the shit Carl pulled this episode, unless his character is going apeshit-crazy. He managed to fuck up with every step. I do not buy the “he was scared” line of thought. Scared kids stick to the “tough” adults and wont shut up. He would have been implanted on Shane or Rick. Even if he elected to “go exploring”, what he did with the zombie defies any of his knowledge of how the zombies work. He would have shot the damn thing. Not thrown rocks at it. Certainly not tried to get into make out range with his gun. Finally, after he got away he would have been telling everyone if he was scared. Instead he kept it a secret. Somehow Carl was written as a budding sociopath this episode.

Regards,

Robert A

BDSLift · March 8, 2012, 4:24am

[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Swolegasm wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

What I really wanna know is how one misses a shambling zombie in a field? Since when do zombies use stealth mode? It was dead quiet (no pun intended) and zombies make gutteral sounds almost constantly especially when they’re approaching food…

I know it was dark, but it looked like the moon was shining bright enough to notice that that 5’8’’ tall tree over yonder seems to be moseying this way and that[/quote]

DAMN DAMN good point.

Only guess is the writers made Dale a blithering old man not the sharp old geezer he is in the book.

Fell Victim to the “Zombie Darwin Rule” the dumb old and stupid shall evolve into snacks
[/quote]

What i dont get is how he couldn’t get a anorexic zombie off him. [/quote]

Zombie Torque Power?
[/quote]

The same zombie that was outsmarted by mud and couldn’t hold on to Carl in the woods, tackled, held down, and eviscerated a cow as a lure to bag a human. It wasn’t eating the cow, like all the other zombies in the show would have. Then it engaged its stealth ability and took down Dale. The scene rocked, but it is not at all in line with the “Walking Dead” zombie cannon thus far.

That zombie showed more cunning and athletic ability than anyone in “the group”, with the exception of Bionic Redneck and their magic skull piercing folding knives.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

I’ll agree with most of this lol. Though we have to give way when it comes to zombie killing. I mean it’s Zombie World.

In Zombie World you can teach people to make dead on Head shots on moving Targets after one lesson by stressing them out more.
Zombie World Zombies are softer except in the arms they have super human grip power.

But I’m with you on the other stuff. They killed Dale like a Bitch…

Steel_Nation · March 8, 2012, 2:37pm

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Bionic Redneck FTW

Carl made a mistake but he did it for a solid reason. He does not feel safe. His Mom is a Piece of shit who leaves him with strangers at the drop of a hat. He wants to be like the others and be able to protect himself. And everyone is telling him No.

He fucked up and learned a hard lesson. The zombie could have turned 200 did ways after the kid ran so it’s not like the kid put the zombie in dale’s bed. Dale fucked up and died. Period.[/quote]

What I really wanna know is how one misses a shambling zombie in a field? Since when do zombies use stealth mode? It was dead quiet (no pun intended) and zombies make gutteral sounds almost constantly especially when they’re approaching food…

I know it was dark, but it looked like the moon was shining bright enough to notice that that 5’8’’ tall tree over yonder seems to be moseying this way and that[/quote]

This is what I was yelling at the TV when it all went down. But I hate Dale so I am willing to accept some bullshit if the writers are getting rid of his worthless ass.

My guess is he was pissed off and had his head up his ass until he saw the eviscerated cow. By then it was too late.

BDSLift · March 8, 2012, 4:55pm

Is T-Dog a ninja??? I mean It must be hard being the only black dude in a small town and go unnoticed. But T-dog is the only Black dude on a farm of what 10-11 people and he still stays in the shadows in daylight hours. That guy might outlast them all.

Really now that T-Dogs only REAL Friend is dead. How will he get the latest gossip. I guess he will have to step up now and start…dare I say…Talk…gasp.

Steel_Nation · March 8, 2012, 5:03pm

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Is T-Dog a ninja??? I mean It must be hard being the only black dude in a small town and go unnoticed. But T-dog is the only Black dude on a farm of what 10-11 people and he still stays in the shadows in daylight hours. That guy might outlast them all.

Really now that T-Dogs only REAL Friend is dead. How will he get the latest gossip. I guess he will have to step up now and start…dare I say…Talk…gasp.[/quote]

LOL He’s the most token of token blacks there ever was. His character was apparently written in for the sole purpose of showing that Merle was a racist IN THE FIRST EPISODE. Now that Merle has been dead for 20+ episodes T-Dog is less relevant to the story than the cow that got gutted.

BDSLift · March 8, 2012, 5:10pm

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Is T-Dog a ninja??? I mean It must be hard being the only black dude in a small town and go unnoticed. But T-dog is the only Black dude on a farm of what 10-11 people and he still stays in the shadows in daylight hours. That guy might outlast them all.

Really now that T-Dogs only REAL Friend is dead. How will he get the latest gossip. I guess he will have to step up now and start…dare I say…Talk…gasp.[/quote]

LOL He’s the most token of token blacks there ever was. His character was apparently written in for the sole purpose of showing that Merle was a racist IN THE FIRST EPISODE. Now that Merle has been dead for 20+ episodes T-Dog is less relevant to the story than the cow that got gutted.[/quote]

AND that is the comedy of this shit. I’m hoping this guys is not Tyreese of the Comics. Because that guy was cool. A ex football player as wise as rick and as tough as Shane…not as wiley as the Bionic Redneck though. But still a fucking good Character.

T-dog well I can’t say he sucks but he sucks to watch…well NOT WATCH. He is just never around.

polo77j · March 8, 2012, 5:52pm

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Is T-Dog a ninja??? I mean It must be hard being the only black dude in a small town and go unnoticed. But T-dog is the only Black dude on a farm of what 10-11 people and he still stays in the shadows in daylight hours. That guy might outlast them all.

Really now that T-Dogs only REAL Friend is dead. How will he get the latest gossip. I guess he will have to step up now and start…dare I say…Talk…gasp.[/quote]

LOL He’s the most token of token blacks there ever was. His character was apparently written in for the sole purpose of showing that Merle was a racist IN THE FIRST EPISODE. Now that Merle has been dead for 20+ episodes T-Dog is less relevant to the story than the cow that got gutted.[/quote]

AND that is the comedy of this shit. I’m hoping this guys is not Tyreese of the Comics. Because that guy was cool. A ex football player as wise as rick and as tough as Shane…not as wiley as the Bionic Redneck though. But still a fucking good Character.

T-dog well I can’t say he sucks but he sucks to watch…well NOT WATCH. He is just never around.[/quote]

FWIW I’ve heard in a few interviews that T-Dog is not a replacement for Tyreese

BDSLift · March 8, 2012, 6:09pm

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Is T-Dog a ninja??? I mean It must be hard being the only black dude in a small town and go unnoticed. But T-dog is the only Black dude on a farm of what 10-11 people and he still stays in the shadows in daylight hours. That guy might outlast them all.

Really now that T-Dogs only REAL Friend is dead. How will he get the latest gossip. I guess he will have to step up now and start…dare I say…Talk…gasp.[/quote]

LOL He’s the most token of token blacks there ever was. His character was apparently written in for the sole purpose of showing that Merle was a racist IN THE FIRST EPISODE. Now that Merle has been dead for 20+ episodes T-Dog is less relevant to the story than the cow that got gutted.[/quote]

AND that is the comedy of this shit. I’m hoping this guys is not Tyreese of the Comics. Because that guy was cool. A ex football player as wise as rick and as tough as Shane…not as wiley as the Bionic Redneck though. But still a fucking good Character.

T-dog well I can’t say he sucks but he sucks to watch…well NOT WATCH. He is just never around.[/quote]

FWIW I’ve heard in a few interviews that T-Dog is not a replacement for Tyreese[/quote]

Cool, then it’s cool for him to die by falling into the well.

Robert_A · March 8, 2012, 7:26pm

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]BDSLift wrote:
Is T-Dog a ninja??? I mean It must be hard being the only black dude in a small town and go unnoticed. But T-dog is the only Black dude on a farm of what 10-11 people and he still stays in the shadows in daylight hours. That guy might outlast them all.

Really now that T-Dogs only REAL Friend is dead. How will he get the latest gossip. I guess he will have to step up now and start…dare I say…Talk…gasp.[/quote]

LOL He’s the most token of token blacks there ever was. His character was apparently written in for the sole purpose of showing that Merle was a racist IN THE FIRST EPISODE. Now that Merle has been dead for 20+ episodes T-Dog is less relevant to the story than the cow that got gutted.[/quote]

AND that is the comedy of this shit. I’m hoping this guys is not Tyreese of the Comics. Because that guy was cool. A ex football player as wise as rick and as tough as Shane…not as wiley as the Bionic Redneck though. But still a fucking good Character.

T-dog well I can’t say he sucks but he sucks to watch…well NOT WATCH. He is just never around.[/quote]

FWIW I’ve heard in a few interviews that T-Dog is not a replacement for Tyreese[/quote]

Cool, then it’s cool for him to die by falling into the well.
[/quote]

I hate to call PC Bullshit, but I think the writers wound up going one direction in the PC world and thanks to some weird Gordian Knot of plot/character development ended up being super racist/sexist.

The bad guy was Merle, an 88, the only “type” that the audiance is allowed to reflexively hate and I agree T-Dawg seemed to only serve the value of letting him be racist and letting Daryl be “less racist”.

They go more cliche “Token Black” than South Park with T-dawg and in the teaser for next week his dialog is “Ah, hell nah!” This guy is a Tyler Perry skit in a Red Shirt. He gets no dialog other than being shown as somewhat helpless and his job last episode was “gun-bearer”. If I sat down and tried to be racist, I couldn’t screw his character up worse.

Adding to the ridiculous color scheme of the show, they took out Tyrese who was a legit character and added T-dawg. Also, where were the black zombies? Its Atlanta. I would expect at least a quarter fo the survivors to be black. WTF? Another group shows up and its Fatty and Phily. They are importing stereotypes to keep it pale.

We have already discussed the “no women can be written as stable/valuable” thing. If it was an action movie, fine. I would get it, but the source material was not this ham fisted. I don’t understand if it is Kirkman deciding to be “different” than his comics, the producer(s), or the writers, or influence from demographic/feedback but I really don’t get it. I still enjoy watching, but I am legitimately puzzled as to who in the show thinks this is a good idea.

Regards,

Robert A

BDSLift · March 8, 2012, 8:03pm