The USA: A Dictatorship!

[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
ZEB wrote:
The ACLU is a disgusting organization. They are responsible for launching a war against all sorts of religious practices. And this in a country where we are supposed to be guaranteed freedom to worship as we see fit.

The ACLU has either prevented or is in the middle of trying to prevent the following:

The public singing of “Silent Night” and other Christmas carols.

Displays of nativity scenes, crosses, and other Christian symbols on public property.

The posting of the Ten Commandments in classrooms or courtrooms.

The words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance and “In God We Trust” on U.S. coins.

Chaplains in prisons and the military.

Prayer in classrooms, locker rooms, sports arenas, legislative assemblies, and at graduation exercises.

Census questions regarding an individual’s religious affiliation.

Accreditation for science departments at Bible-believing Christian universities.

Voucher programs and tuition tax credits.

Public funding for Christian schools.

“Blue law” statutes.

Voluntary Bible reading in public schools … even during free time or after classes.

Tax-exempt status for churches (though the ACLU favors this status for certain occult groups - and themselves).

Pretty bad stuff although i can understand why someone would want some of these things. Some are just bad, i agree but does that automatically mean they havn’t done anything in protecting civil rights? Right now they are doing their share. And i don’t see the connection to cospiracy theorists here. Do you know what occults they still want the state to help funding? They want to seperate state and religion and i am sorry to tell you but even though they are propably wrong on most of these issues none of these things go against the bill of rights or democracy as a system. Can you elaborate on that?
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Bad organizations can do some good things! Good organizations can do some bad things…

[quote]ZEB wrote:
The ACLU is a disgusting organization. They are responsible for launching a war against all sorts of religious practices. And this in a country where we are supposed to be guaranteed freedom to worship as we see fit.

The ACLU has either prevented or is in the middle of trying to prevent the following:

The public singing of “Silent Night” and other Christmas carols.

Displays of nativity scenes, crosses, and other Christian symbols on public property.

The posting of the Ten Commandments in classrooms or courtrooms.

The words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance and “In God We Trust” on U.S. coins.

Chaplains in prisons and the military.

Prayer in classrooms, locker rooms, sports arenas, legislative assemblies, and at graduation exercises.

Census questions regarding an individual’s religious affiliation.

Accreditation for science departments at Bible-believing Christian universities.

Voucher programs and tuition tax credits.

Public funding for Christian schools.

“Blue law” statutes.

Voluntary Bible reading in public schools … even during free time or after classes.

Tax-exempt status for churches (though the ACLU favors this status for certain occult groups - and themselves).

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Voucher programs and tuition tax credits are the only thing on that list that I disagree with the ACLU about.

[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
Oh really Zap? Ever seen anything that tall fall on its very footprint when the damage was in fact besically one sided?

Ever seen a plane without windows and something underneath it that looks like a bunker buster? How is that an American Airlines flight? Watch the CNN footage the plane is gray.

Since when does steel melt at roughly 1000 degrees? I study what we call Werkstoffkunde. I am somewhat an amateur, but what they claim happend did in fact not happen.

If the steel has been weakend and therefore failed, why did all the news report explosions and why did Australia pick up somehting like a category 2.2 and 2.3 earthquake before the buildings fall? Why did the media widely report explosions? Where are these reports now? Thy all shut up.

Look a the structure of the building to confirm that even if that steel failed merely the outer sides of the building would collapse but not the intact steel structure in the middle. The first floor has the same structure as floor 90 had. Floor one is also holding about 10 times more weight. the same structure that is. The power of 20 floors collapsing would have been no factor for floor 80ty or 70ty. Since the steel structure is built so that if the floor falls down it still stands.
Something took out the steel underneath, into need standart demolition size to be carried away in standart sized containers within 4-5 weeks. They first said it was gonna take a year or longer for that.
The building comes down in roughly 8 seconds. Something around 10 stories per second. Physics tells me this is about free fall speed. No slowing down. It was speeding up in fact like a free fall. If a floor hits the next floor it would take a little time for the structure to collapse at least for the first 30 or so floors. No slowing down though.
Why did WTC 7 go down? They said on TV they made the decision to “pull it”. Who do you do the work needed for that in minutes? Setting something like 500 charges doing the mats needed etc.? Why did the collapse look exactly like that of the WTC towers if it was pulled? Why does nobody shoe the videos any more?
There is about another 40 valid questions out there. Noone asking though and noone answering any of those.

People draw your own conclusions and don’t believe people that tell you everyone thinking is an “idiot”, “conpiracy jackass”, “communist”, “terrorist” or evil and needs to shut up. Either you are with us or against us? What happend to the idea of sorting everything through, discussing it and letting pople draw their own conclusions? Freedom of speech not needed now? All we need ist Bush saying it CNN covering it and everyone believing it now? [/quote]

23andIdiotic. Don’t belive everything you read on the internet. Try reading a repudable source that actually knows something about structural engineering.

http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
23andIdiotic. Don’t belive everything you read on the internet. Try reading a repudable source that actually knows something about structural engineering.

http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/

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Red, MIT is in on my conspiracy too. It’s useless, but luckily none of you believe 23andbeginner, so my plans to conquer the world go on unchecked.

BRUUHUUUHHUUHAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Congwatuwations, Team Amewica… You have stopped NOTHING…

[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
The USA officially and secretly declared dictatorship (patriot act 2)

Patriot Act 2 (had to edit it it said patriotic act 2 before)

I thought the USA were a free country. How did it happen that everybody said yes to a dictatorship by the very definition. There is no amendment 2,4,5,7 any more. Practically anyone can be called a terrorist now and be locked away or murdered by will. FEMA, Homeland Security and George W. Bush now call all the shots.
What is really going on in New Orleans?
What really happend 9/11? Remember this no longer is conspiracy talk, what are you gonna do about this everyone? [/quote]

23 - it’s real simple, if you don’t like it here, leave!

[quote]23andbeginner wrote:
jackzepplin wrote:
23andbeginner wrote:
Well they can’t murder me for that.

You, now that’s a different story

Let me just tell you who ACLU is and what they are doing:

I am not the only “crazy” person after all, huh?

The ACLU is useless and a major problem; never a solution. They have become nothing more than a joke.

Useless organisation watching over the Bill of Rights. You my friend are a liar. [/quote]

i’m gonna repsond to a couple points. firstly, the ACLU was a good intention…but it has since become a thorn in many people’s sides.

secondly, i don’t agree with everything President Bush does. he might not be the brightest guy around, but he is focused on specific goals, and generally speaking, i know where he stands. anyway, when he finishes his second term, America will probably elect a Democrat, and many of these acts will be altered or repealed.

there are two specific things i agree with in the Patriot Act:

  • establishment of a national ID card, disguised as national standardization of drivers licensing;

  • establishment of a national electronic database for birth and death certificates, with permanent identifying information assigned to each individual, such as a national ID number;

these are to prevent terrorist from entering the country illegal, as well as obtaining ID documents from dead people’s identities. as a police officer, the whole ID thing is a serious headache. most criminals don’t carry ID (but generally, law abiding people do, because they have nothing to hide), and this will make mine and every other law enforcement officer’s job easier, thereby making this country safer.

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
By Devvy Kidd
? 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American Civil Liberties Union. I believe it’s important to look behind the curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better understand their activities.

The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a “progressive” and “the perfect feminist.”

Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as “a transmission belt” for the party. To deny the ACLU’s founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under “freedom of speech and expression,” and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America’s culture and traditions:

* Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

* Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

* Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.

* Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

* Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

* Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.

* Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."

* Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

* Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

* Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.

* Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture ? education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

* Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to “promote democracy” and protect your “civil rights.” Lenin stated: “Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy.” (See Tucker, “The Lenin Anthology”). James Madison, known as the “Father of the Constitution” had something different to say about a democracy:

Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Perhaps it’s time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous “civil rights” stage name.

No organization can exist without memberships and funding. It is inconceivable to me how anyone who claims to be a Christian, lawyer or layman, could belong to such an anti-American organization as the ACLU. Burn your card and get out. Organizations like Working Assets, tobacco companies and big corporations all donate to the ACLU, which in turn uses that money to buy the favors of those who serve in Congress ? who vote to unconstitutionally fund the activities of the ACLU under the Civil Rights Attorney’s Fees Awards Act of 1976.

If Americans really want to put the ACLU out of business, remove yourself as a member of their organization, boycott companies that donate to them and demand these public servants in Congress repeal the unconstitutional funding of this subversive organization.

There is no justification under Art. 1, Sec. 8, to steal from the people’s treasury to give money to the ACLU or any other organization for “civil rights” lawsuits. Your Congress critter will be in your district during the month of December ? make the most of it.

I’m so confused. Mr Conspiracy just told us the ACLU is an evil entity. Now what should I think?

Promote filth under freedom of speech? Is there freedom of speech or is their not? Haven’t the right wing been around in these parts trumpeting the freedom of speech a lot? Is the ACLU in agreement with the right on this one?

Destroying Christianity? How the hell could the ACLU destroy Christianity? I mean, they might, if they succeed, have it removed from governmental systems, but a religion is defined by its followers and practices, not by whether or not it is part and parcel of the goverment.

Homosexual culture of death? Wow. This one is way out there!

Anyhow, I guess all you have to do is see whether the ACLU is using the constitution to effect its goals or not. If it is holding the constitution up as the reasons for its efforts, and going to court on that basis, how can it be bad, unless the constitution itself is seriously flawed?

Really, that last question is a serious one. Are they trying to apply/use the constitution or are they doing something else?

America Has Fallen to a Jacobin Coup
September 16, 2005
by Paul Craig Roberts

Dead and wounded Americans are too high a price to pay for a war based on deception. This alone is reason to end the war, if necessary by impeaching Bush and Cheney and arresting the neoconservatives for treason. Naked aggression is a war crime under the Nuremberg standard, and neoconservatives have brought this shame to America.

There is an even greater cost of the war - the legal system that protects liberty, a human achievement for which countless numbers of people gave their lives over the centuries. The Bush administration used Sept. 11 to whip up fear and hysteria and to employ these weapons against American liberty. The Orwellian-named PATRIOT Act has destroyed habeas corpus. The executive branch has gained the unaccountable power to detain American citizens on mere suspicion or accusation, without evidence, and to hold Americans indefinitely without a trial.

Foolishly, many Americans believe this power can only be used against terrorists. Americans don’t realize that the government can declare anyone to be a terrorist suspect. As no evidence is required, it is entirely up to the government to decide who is a terrorist. Thus, the power is unaccountable. Unaccountable power is the source of tyranny.

The English-speaking world has not seen such power since the 16th and 17th centuries when the Court of Star Chamber became a political weapon used against the king’s opponents and to circumvent Parliament. The Star Chamber dispensed with juries, permitted hearsay evidence, and became so reviled that “Star Chamber” became a byword for injustice. The Long Parliament abolished the Star Chamber in 1641. In obedience to the Bush regime, the U.S. Congress resurrected it with the PATRIOT Act. Can anything be more Orwellian than identifying patriotism with the abolition of habeas corpus?

Dr. Roberts is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury.

The aclu only uses the constitution to further its twisted goals.

The aclu will fight the presence of any form of Christianity in public and try to remove after hours Bible study groups from public schools, while at the same time demand that Islamic students be allowed to have an after hours Islamic study group in public schools and demand that Islamic women be allowed to be photographed for their drivers license while wearing a mask.

They will base all these arguments on the same clause in the Bill of Rights, yet argue in two completly different directions.

It seems like they have an agenda to me although I get worried when jlesk 68 posts something I sort of agree with.

Patriot Act Can Be Used In Laser Beam Case
Sep 16, 2005
(1010 WINS) NEWARK, N.J. Federal prosecutors can use the Patriot Act against a Parsippany man accused of shining a hand-held laser at two aircraft.

David Banach’s lawyers said the post nine-eleven law was not intended to be used against someone who is not a terrorist.

However, a federal judge says nothing appears to prohibit its use against anyone. The judge also said the act outlaws willfully interfering with anyone operating a mass transportation vehicle.

Authorities say Banach pointed the laser into a charter aircraft that was en route to Teterboro Airport in December, temporarily blinding both pilots. A Port Authority helicopter that was searching the neighborhood was struck with the beam two days later.

His lawyer claims Banach and one of his daughters were directing the laser pointer into the sky and didn’t realize it posed a threat to aircraft.

The judge is scheduled to consider other motions in the case on Monday.

A federal judge says nothing appears to prohibit its use against ANYONE.

[i]"We find at this period two governments in Germany – the real and the ostensible. The forms of the German Republic were maintained for a time, and it was the outward and visible government. But the real authority in the State was outside of and above the law and rested in the Leadership Corps of the Nazi Party.

On February 27, 1933, less than a month after Hitler became Chancellor, the Reichstag building was set on fire. The burning of this symbol of free parliamentary government was so providential for the Nazis that it was believed they staged the fire themselves.

Certainly when we contemplate their known crimes, we cannot believe they would shrink from mere arson. It is not necessary, however, to resolve the controversy as to who set the fire. The significant point is in the use that was made of the fire and of the state of public mind it produced.

The Nazis immediately accused the Communist Party of instigating and committing the crime, and turned every effort to portray this single act of arson as the beginning of a Communist revolution. Then, taking advantage of the hysteria, the Nazi met this phantom revolution with a real one. In the following December, the German Supreme Court with commendable courage and independence acquitted the accused Communists, but it was too late to influence the tragic course of events which the Nazi conspirators had set rushing forward.

Hitler, on the morning after the fire, obtained from the aged and ailing President von Hindenburg a Presidential decree suspending the extensive guarantees of individual liberty contained in the Constitution of the Weimar Republic."
~Transcript from the Nuremburg Trials

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJac03.htm

‘Diebold System One of Greatest Threats Democracy Has Ever Known’
Identifies U.S. Homeland Security ‘Cyber Alert’ Prior to '04 Election Warning Votes Can be ‘Modified Remotely’ via ‘Undocumented Backdoor’ in Central Tabulator Software!

In exclusive stunning admissions to The BRAD BLOG some 11 months after the 2004 Presidential Election, a “Diebold Insider” is now finally speaking out for the first time about the alarming security flaws within Diebold, Inc’s electronic voting systems, software and machinery. The source is acknowledging that the company’s “upper management” – as well as “top government officials” – were keenly aware of the “undocumented backdoor” in Diebold’s main “GEM Central Tabulator” software well prior to the 2004 election. A branch of the Federal Government even posted a security warning on the Internet.

Pointing to a little-noticed “Cyber Security Alert” issued by the United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT), a division of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the source inside Diebold – who “for the time being” is requesting anonymity due to a continuing sensitive relationship with the company – is charging that Diebold’s technicians, including at least one of its lead programmers, knew about the security flaw and that the company instructed them to keep quiet about it.

"A vulnerability exists due to an undocumented backdoor account, which could allow a local or remote authenticated malicious user to modify votes.

No workaround or patch available at time of publishing."

I remember two students exposed that flaw and went public with it. A couple of days later they had nothing to say about that any more. Both were rumored two have received a lot of money. Both went on with their studies on a full scholarship and started working part time for a security company. I don’t remember any names but i do remember seeing that repeatedly on TV.

There is a news magazine on tv in germany called spiegel tv named after a major news magazine. The spiegel is a bit political but less obvious than the stern or focus which are other big players in the business.

Well the tv offspin of spiegel had a report on Katrina on yesterday. During the war in Bosnia they were the only source of reliable media in Germany. That was the first time i was confronted with the fact that the media doenright lies to you a lot of times. My mother was working for the red cross down there and helped a great deal with kids that stepped on mines and the like. They repeatedly said on TV that bosnian women were being slaughtered by Serbs in this and that city for example when my mother talked to doctors and friends in every bigger town down there daily. They said none of it was going on. Sarajevo and Srebrenica were pretty bad in terms of soldiers launching grenades in the dozens daily and also shooting anyone in sight but thousands being deported and killed was just a lie. So far all they found about 6 places were about 200 people total had been killed and dumped in a big hole. The serbs are closing in with operation boomerang or some shit like that was what they reported on the local news. My mother call?d like everyone and they were like what is going on? No serbs outside i can ask so and so if he saw something. This operation was the reason for NATO to go to war against the serbs. I mean it is true that Serbs and also Croatian politicians had ideas of getting rid of Bosnia and sharing it’s land and resources. The propaganda due to that is what drove people to war. Someone had to intervene. German law states that no country can be attacked unless someone attacks Germany and that never happend. With the operation boomerang NATO pressured the Germans to use their EFS Tornados. They are not extremely handy or powerful in terms of carrying weapons, but they are pretty fast and also this special version has a radar interceptor. If you lock them, they can instantly fire multiple air to ground missiles and hit the tracking signal. It works with almost any kind of radar there is. Once the enemy was left in the dark the U.S. came in and bombed most of used to be the Serbs economy and just happend to hit more people in Bosnia by accident then had been killed in the war so far. The war was mainly fought out by militant groups and parts of the armies until operation boomerang. What followed was a bunch of civilian casulties

Oh back to Katrina and spiegel tv. They talked to a bunch of people in the streets there, showed about 6 dead people. Noone has time to pick them up. Babies are dying everyone is looking for food and all that. Everyone had their own story but about 20 people stated that noone is helping. Old people sit in their own poo and everyone is really angry. They say not everyone is a rapist and thief. They didn’t stay because they are stupid but simply because of the fact that they live from paycheck to paycheck and couldn’t afford to go. Even a 10 dollar bus ticket was to much and even if they had 10 dollars where do you go? If you are gonna be homeless they figured they better be in a city they know with friends who care about them. Almost everyone that came in contact with the water has problems with eyes and throat. The water they use for washing is drinking water and there is not much of that. People with boats were turned away by FEMA or had to sneak by the police to help. The red cross still isn’t allowed to go in. It also showed footage of people that made it to Texas and received something like 60 bucks. If don’t know if CNN said that or what but didn’t someone state they received 2 grand? Didn’t see that with my eyes though. Before someones starts the bashing and how i am just a BUSH hater i couldn’t care less about democrats and republicans but i do care about the people and clearly FEMA failed to help those people. In fact they made it worse. All they did was stop the looting in the french quarter. They did that by threatening to shoot people, too. There is a torrent on the net with FEMA air traffic in NO. I don’t want to listen to it, 'cause i have heard what went on pretty much, but some of you might wanna check it out. Just do a google on it and you’ll find it.