The Ultimate Villain

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Also, Silva from Skyfall is one of the best, creepiest, most original and well-played villains to appear in the last decade. Gotta love the dynamic between him and Daniel Craig.

If videogames can be included, Final Fantasy VII’s Sephiroth has to go down as one of the most memorable, badass and hate-inspiring villains of all time. I guess if you watched Advent Children he technically counts as a movie villain too. [/quote]

Edgar Ross always seemed to give me a hate boner[/quote]

He’s only a villain from a handful of people’s perspective though. To others, he may be considered a hero.[/quote]

Couldn’t that be said of any villain though. Look at the Emperor and Darth Vader i would imagine from the average Imperial citizens perspective they would seem like heroes who are responsible for creating a period of relative peace and stability in the galaxy until the rebellion who seemingly have a pro-monarchial stance with there figure head being a princess and all, whereas the up until A New Hope the empire had a senate.[/quote]

Relative peace and stability? Have you seen how cool everything looked in Episodes I-III when the Empire wasn’t in power yet? Take a look at Cloud City on Bespin and then take a look at Coruscant and tell me which era had it better and enjoyed more prosperity. Shit, even Tattooine looked halfway decent. They used to get off on watching pod racing through areas that looked like Monument Valley and with the Empire in power the biggest form of entertainment was watching people fall into a huge, disease-ridden twat on the outskirts of Bakersfield.[/quote]

The original trilogy took place largely in the backwoods of the galaxy, just because the movies don’t show any forms of entertainment doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Cloud City was a mining colony while Coruscant was the capitol of the Republic, you might as well compare the District of Columbia to Bumfuck, West Virginia.

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[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Also, Silva from Skyfall is one of the best, creepiest, most original and well-played villains to appear in the last decade. Gotta love the dynamic between him and Daniel Craig.

If videogames can be included, Final Fantasy VII’s Sephiroth has to go down as one of the most memorable, badass and hate-inspiring villains of all time. I guess if you watched Advent Children he technically counts as a movie villain too. [/quote]

Edgar Ross always seemed to give me a hate boner[/quote]

He’s only a villain from a handful of people’s perspective though. To others, he may be considered a hero.[/quote]

Couldn’t that be said of any villain though. Look at the Emperor and Darth Vader i would imagine from the average Imperial citizens perspective they would seem like heroes who are responsible for creating a period of relative peace and stability in the galaxy until the rebellion who seemingly have a pro-monarchial stance with there figure head being a princess and all, whereas the up until A New Hope the empire had a senate.[/quote]

Relative peace and stability? Have you seen how cool everything looked in Episodes I-III when the Empire wasn’t in power yet? Take a look at Cloud City on Bespin and then take a look at Coruscant and tell me which era had it better and enjoyed more prosperity. Shit, even Tattooine looked halfway decent. They used to get off on watching pod racing through areas that looked like Monument Valley and with the Empire in power the biggest form of entertainment was watching people fall into a huge, disease-ridden twat on the outskirts of Bakersfield.[/quote]

The original trilogy took place largely in the backwoods of the galaxy, just because the movies don’t show any forms of entertainment doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Cloud City was a mining colony while Coruscant was the capitol of the Republic, you might as well compare the District of Columbia to Bumfuck, West Virginia.[/quote]
Hey now! DC’s not that great, but I grew up here so who knows lol.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Hey now! DC’s not that great, but I grew up here so who knows lol.[/quote]

I’m sorry

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:
Hey now! DC’s not that great, but I grew up here so who knows lol.[/quote]

I’m sorry[/quote]
I’m not.

The greatest villain of all time is obviously Ice King’s crown.

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[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Col. Hans Landa in Inglourious Basterds.

Very easy to hate.

[/quote]

OMG YES YESYE SYEYSYEYS X’s 1000000000!!![/quote]

He’s my second choice.

Ralph Feine’s Amon Goeth (the head of the Nazi camp) from Schindler’s List beat his out because, well, Amon Goeth was a real villian who unrepentantly tortured people, raped people, and methodically put people in ovens.

The scense where he got drunk and hunted people for sport from his balcony was a real and recurring event.

++++++++++

As an aside, I note that Feine’s has really played some bad guys:

Amon Goeth
Rameses (of the Torah fame)
Voldemort
Red Dragon (of Hanibal fame)
Hades

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[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
Also, Silva from Skyfall is one of the best, creepiest, most original and well-played villains to appear in the last decade. Gotta love the dynamic between him and Daniel Craig.

If videogames can be included, Final Fantasy VII’s Sephiroth has to go down as one of the most memorable, badass and hate-inspiring villains of all time. I guess if you watched Advent Children he technically counts as a movie villain too. [/quote]

Edgar Ross always seemed to give me a hate boner[/quote]

He’s only a villain from a handful of people’s perspective though. To others, he may be considered a hero.[/quote]

Couldn’t that be said of any villain though. Look at the Emperor and Darth Vader i would imagine from the average Imperial citizens perspective they would seem like heroes who are responsible for creating a period of relative peace and stability in the galaxy until the rebellion who seemingly have a pro-monarchial stance with there figure head being a princess and all, whereas the up until A New Hope the empire had a senate.[/quote]

Relative peace and stability? Have you seen how cool everything looked in Episodes I-III when the Empire wasn’t in power yet? Take a look at Cloud City on Bespin and then take a look at Coruscant and tell me which era had it better and enjoyed more prosperity. Shit, even Tattooine looked halfway decent. They used to get off on watching pod racing through areas that looked like Monument Valley and with the Empire in power the biggest form of entertainment was watching people fall into a huge, disease-ridden twat on the outskirts of Bakersfield.[/quote]

The original trilogy took place largely in the backwoods of the galaxy, just because the movies don’t show any forms of entertainment doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Cloud City was a mining colony while Coruscant was the capitol of the Republic, you might as well compare the District of Columbia to Bumfuck, West Virginia.[/quote]

So what? All you have to do is take a look at the ships everyone was cruising around in during the first trilogy to know that prosperity and stability was a thing of the past. Those Star Destroyers were cool, but they were nothing compared to the shit that they were cruising around in during the second trilogy.

Shit, the second Death Star was constantly behind schedule. Why do you think that was? Probably due to massive government corruption, shortage of raw materials and possibly even a diminished work force due to many people going into hiding from the Empire, joining the Rebellion or taking advantage of the huge black markets that popped up all over the galaxy in the face of a collapsed centralized government like what the Republic represented. The Empire was a centralized government, but how efficient could it have been when so many of its resources were dedicated to finding one fucking guy, Luke Skywalker?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Col. Hans Landa in Inglourious Basterds.

Very easy to hate.

[/quote]

OMG YES YESYE SYEYSYEYS X’s 1000000000!!![/quote]

He’s my second choice.

Ralph Feine’s Amon Goeth (the head of the Nazi camp) from Schindler’s List beat his out because, well, Amon Goeth was a real villian who unrepentantly tortured people, raped people, and methodically put people in ovens.

The scense where he got drunk and hunted people for sport from his balcony was a real and recurring event.

++++++++++

As an aside, I note that Feine’s has really played some bad guys:

Amon Goeth
Rameses (of the Torah fame)
Voldemort
Red Dragon (of Hanibal fame)
Hades

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C’mon Jewbacca. Goeth and Landa don’t even make the top 50. If you want to predicate your list on how many Jews the villains killed, I think Robert Duvall playing Stalin or Bruno Ganz as Hitler takes the cake. Goeth and Landa were small-time, cheap hoods compared to those two.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

C’mon Jewbacca. Goeth and Landa don’t even make the top 50. If you want to predicate your list on how many Jews the villains killed, I think Robert Duvall playing Stalin or Bruno Ganz as Hitler takes the cake. Goeth and Landa were small-time, cheap hoods compared to those two.[/quote]

Body count is a factor, not the test.

Similarly, reality vs. fiction is a factor, not the test.

More to the point, both Goeth and Landa enjoyed what they did and relished in the actually dealing of death.

Hitler and Stalin, in contrast, were both socialist utopians who probably never pulled a trigger (although I suppose Hitler potentially killed in WWI). Hitler and Stalin killed because they deemed it necessary.

Still sick, and certainly more dangerious and ultimately evil in the real world, but strangely less villianous in a movie.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

C’mon Jewbacca. Goeth and Landa don’t even make the top 50. If you want to predicate your list on how many Jews the villains killed, I think Robert Duvall playing Stalin or Bruno Ganz as Hitler takes the cake. Goeth and Landa were small-time, cheap hoods compared to those two.[/quote]

Body count is a factor, not the test.

Similarly, reality vs. fiction is a factor, not the test.

More to the point, both Goeth and Landa enjoyed what they did and relished in the actually dealing of death.

Hitler and Stalin, in contrast, were both socialist utopians who probably never pulled a trigger (although I suppose Hitler potentially killed in WWI). Hitler and Stalin killed because they deemed it necessary.

Still sick, and certainly more dangerious and ultimately evil in the real world, but strangely less villianous in a movie.[/quote]

Hitler and Stalin turned evil acts completely banal. Don’t underestimate the power of the banality of evil. It’s one thing to lift the finger yourself. It’s another entirely to create a massive cult of personality so twisted and sick that it leads to a staggering transvaluation of everything that otherwise normal people believed in, to the point that large groups of people indiscriminately killed swaths of Jews, gypsies, Bolsheviks, White Russians, gays, handicapped, etc simply because some guy said so.