The Ultimate Villain

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[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Oh ya. The T-1000. Can’t believe I forgot about him. T-2 is one of my most favorite action movies.

Has there been any other film villain that was just as utterly unstoppable as him? Without moving into utter cliche or repeatedly resurrected like Jason or Freddy?[/quote]

Robert Patrick works out at my gym, it’s crazy for me to look over and see this guy and think what a badass he was in T2.[/quote]

You ever feel like walking up to him wearing a police uniform asking him where John Connor is? Or interrupting him mid-set with “Say, that’s a nice [insert muscle group]”? I bet Robert Patrick is the kind of guy that would get pissed off easily.[/quote]

He is very cool, I have chatted with him a few times.

I think my best movie person chat was with the Rock, the last time I ever saw anyone train as hard as he does is either back in college playing football, or when seeing Melvin Anthony and Quincy Taylor working out.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:
Oh ya. The T-1000. Can’t believe I forgot about him. T-2 is one of my most favorite action movies.

Has there been any other film villain that was just as utterly unstoppable as him? Without moving into utter cliche or repeatedly resurrected like Jason or Freddy?[/quote]

Robert Patrick works out at my gym, it’s crazy for me to look over and see this guy and think what a badass he was in T2.[/quote]

You ever feel like walking up to him wearing a police uniform asking him where John Connor is? Or interrupting him mid-set with “Say, that’s a nice [insert muscle group]”? I bet Robert Patrick is the kind of guy that would get pissed off easily.[/quote]

He is very cool, I have chatted with him a few times.

I think my best movie person chat was with the Rock, the last time I ever saw anyone train as hard as he does is either back in college playing football, or when seeing Melvin Anthony and Quincy Taylor working out.[/quote]

It doesn’t surprise me that Robert Patrick is a cool guy. I had the chance to interview his brother, Richard Patrick, lead singer from Filter, a few years ago when I was writing for this magazine.

I’d never interviewed anyone like that before so I was a little nervous. My editor told me it wasn’t a big deal since all these types of interviews were usually just the same bullshit canned answers and it wouldn’t last more than 15 minutes or so. So I did a little research and found out that Patrick was an outspoken critic of the Iraq War and a recovering alcoholic, two things we had in common.

Two hours later I had spoken at length with him about all sorts of “off the record” stuff about his sobriety and his sex life with his wife (who I also spoke to briefly) and we had shared quite a bit about each other. When I came out of the little room that I was doing the interview in the rest of the magazine staff was totally blown away that I’d been in there talking with him the whole time and we had only spent about 10 minutes talking about his music, most of which focused on why/how Bud Dwyer’s suicide on live television was the inspiration for his biggest hit, “Hey Man, Nice Shot” and how fucked up he was when the incident that inspired his other big hit, “Take A Picture”, occurred. Really down to Earth guy.

I interviewed some other musicians afterward and none were anywhere near as cool as he was. Nas was a fucking douche, Snoop could barely put two sentences together and Ice Cube refused to do the interview at all when my first question was “What’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever done to a groupie while on tour?”

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Snoop was probably high off his mind, haha, not that he could string sentences together when he’s sober. If he’s ever sober, of course…

The most villainous person I can think of is Batman’s alter ego in that one animated movie DC Comics made where they were fighting their copies from a different dimension where the bad guys were good and vice versa.

He was Owl Man, or something like that.

He basically tried to destroy all of reality by going to the original dimension (have to see the movie to understand) and destroying the Earth in that reality which would set off a chain reaction that would end the rest of the realities that spawned from it, which was basically all of them. All because of some simple, flawed logic he had. That has to be the worst thing I’ve seen attempted in any story, whether it be a movie, video game, etc.

Also, to make an argument for Darth Vader, who I think should be in the running, even though he took orders and was the Emporer’s bitch, he was also plotting to overthrow him and ultimately was the one who killed him in the end.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Chris Colucci.

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Excuse me?

On topic, I can’t believe Keyser Soze hasn’t been mentioned yet.

I’d also add Otis from The Devil’s Rejects/House of 1,000 Corpses.

For TV, The Governor in The Walking Dead had potential, but they’ve strayed from the comics and I don’t see them going 100% where he goes in the original story (much more evil).

And if Darth Vader is on this list, even though he answered to ‘Annie’ for much of his life and “turned good” before dying, I think Michael Corleone definitely deserves to be mentioned.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]theBird wrote:
Chris Colucci.

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Excuse me?

On topic, I can’t believe Keyser Soze hasn’t been mentioned yet.

I’d also add Otis from The Devil’s Rejects/House of 1,000 Corpses.

For TV, The Governor in The Walking Dead had potential, but they’ve strayed from the comics and I don’t see them going 100% where he goes in the original story (much more evil).

And if Darth Vader is on this list, even though he answered to ‘Annie’ for much of his life and “turned good” before dying, I think Michael Corleone definitely deserves to be mentioned.
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Uh, I put Michael Corleone at the top of my list back on page one, and I mentioned Keyser Soze already.

I think Vader is the ultimate villain, although I put Corleone at the top anyways. Depending on the day and mood, I could go with either one at the top.

Vader was more classically evil. He was intimidating, killed on a whim, had a reputation across multiple galaxies as the baddest motherfucker around and he just plain LOOKED evil.

But Corleone was much more Machiavellian in his evil. In a way, he and Vader are very similar in that they started out as nice guys with good intentions, but they caved in to external circumstances, turned evil and ran with it. Of all the villains who are “realistic”, in that they aren’t fantastical fictional creations that could never happen today, Corleone takes the cake in terms of pure evil, though.

He wiped out all of his enemies in one fell swoop, he killed his brother-in-law, he was duplicitous, he had his brother whacked after lulling him into a false sense of security and he wasn’t afraid to bury other people’s psyches to suit his own needs. I love it.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Uh, I put Michael Corleone at the top of my list back on page one, and I mentioned Keyser Soze already.[/quote]
My mistake. Not sure how I didn’t catch that. Sorry, man, I will now wear the horn of shame.

I getcha, and maybe I’m being nitpicky, but I think Vader’s redemption at the end earns him some major non-villain points. Probably not enough to counteract killing a room full of padawan children, but still.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Uh, I put Michael Corleone at the top of my list back on page one, and I mentioned Keyser Soze already.[/quote]
My mistake. Not sure how I didn’t catch that. Sorry, man, I will now wear the horn of shame.

I getcha, and maybe I’m being nitpicky, but I think Vader’s redemption at the end earns him some major non-villain points. Probably not enough to counteract killing a room full of padawan children, but still.[/quote]

Well, look at it this way. Vader KNEW he was evil and relished in it, whereas Corleone probably thought that what he was doing was really for the greater good and thus, not that evil. I think the willful evil of Vader weighs heavily against his redemption.

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[quote]theBird wrote:
Chris Colucci.

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I always preferred Sylvester.

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Everyone is the hero in their own story.

Not my best suggestion, but the Agent in Serenity? A little different…

Though I found “Hands of Blue, Two by Two” much more sinister.

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I think the group from “The Strangers” deserves a nod. Tormenting people all night and when they have them tied to a chair asking why, give the simple answer “Because you were home.” That’s pretty demented.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]theBird wrote:
Chris Colucci.

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I always preferred Sylvester.[/quote]

Yeah, what was the point of having Sylvester and Wile E. Coyote and even Tom (of Tom & Jerry) always lose? Everybody fucking hates Tweety and the Road Runner. It’s like the PR people thought kids would love those two “heroes” but they were wrong. Sort of lke a Jar Jar Binks thing.

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[quote]Nards wrote:
Yeah, what was the point of having Sylvester and Wile E. Coyote and even Tom (of Tom & Jerry) always lose? Everybody fucking hates Tweety and the Road Runner. It’s like the PR people thought kids would love those two “heroes” but they were wrong. Sort of lke a Jar Jar Binks thing.[/quote]
When I was a kid my absolute biggest TV “hero” was Wile E. Coyote. No matter what happened, he would never give up.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I interviewed some other musicians afterward and none were anywhere near as cool as he was. Nas was a fucking douche, Snoop could barely put two sentences together and Ice Cube refused to do the interview at all when my first question was “What’s the weirdest thing you’ve ever done to a groupie while on tour?”[/quote]

Fantastic.

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[quote]Nards wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]theBird wrote:
Chris Colucci.

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I always preferred Sylvester.[/quote]

Yeah, what was the point of having Sylvester and Wile E. Coyote and even Tom (of Tom & Jerry) always lose? Everybody fucking hates Tweety and the Road Runner. It’s like the PR people thought kids would love those two “heroes” but they were wrong. Sort of lke a Jar Jar Binks thing.[/quote]

I’m with you and csulli on this one. I fucking hated that smarmy little bastard, the Road Runner. Tweety was a goddamned pretentious snob. I kinda liked Jerry, though.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I think my best movie person chat was with the Rock, the last time I ever saw anyone train as hard as he does is either back in college playing football, or when seeing Melvin Anthony and Quincy Taylor working out.[/quote]

My best movie person chat was more a ‘TV person chat’ with Garcelle Beauvais.

Of course it would never have happened if my then-gf wasn’t with me, but I prob still get speechless around those tall, stunning types.

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From everything I’ve heard The Rock is a real swell guy.

I would like to hang out with him till the end of time.

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Walter White.

Ruthless
Genius
Inconspicuous

Thats a deadly trifecta right there.

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Also, Silva from Skyfall is one of the best, creepiest, most original and well-played villains to appear in the last decade. Gotta love the dynamic between him and Daniel Craig.

If videogames can be included, Final Fantasy VII’s Sephiroth has to go down as one of the most memorable, badass and hate-inspiring villains of all time. I guess if you watched Advent Children he technically counts as a movie villain too.

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I don’t know about ultimate villain, but I think Lord Voldemort from the Harry Potter Series deserves mention. He was extremely powerful, completely evil, had a huge superiority complex, feared by everyone, and almost impossible to kill.

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[quote]Jason Lee wrote:
I don’t know about ultimate villain, but I think Lord Voldemort from the Harry Potter Series deserves mention. He was extremely powerful, completely evil, had a huge superiority complex, feared by everyone, and almost impossible to kill. [/quote]

Yeah but he was fighting children, the fucks so hard about that?