To add a bit to what Idaho said, there’s no real martial art “solution” to the problem of weapons.
If we forget about guns and other ranged weapons, the basic idea is to stay out of range. Be too far away to get stabbed or hit with a bat.
If you have to fight your priority is controlling the weapon or limb holding it. Kimura grip is good to train.
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We’re a team of armed and unarmed individuals. We work together of course, have radios, and have general plans for whatever arises.
My personal serious concern would be dealing with an armed person at the entrance while I’m unarmed and no armed team member is handy. There would be around a 40s lag before they could get to me if I beep the walkie. Meanwhile I could be in “disarm the bad guy” mode, and that would be a bad spot til one of my armed guys got to me.
And here’s another thing…this team is in its infancy so we’re still recruiting folks, and do not yet have the armed men to put on all the doors.
The training requirements required to be armed there are nearly as strenuous as for a school.
Staying in shape - yes, paramount and I am working out daily. Not heavy or stupid, just enough.
To deal with the lack of armed men, given our doors and locations, we’ve arranged for an armed guy to be at the door facing the main lot entrance to have the best view of WHO is coming in, and to respond from that point of tactical superiority if required. It would also create a choke point on the inbound traffic side of things for pedestrians coming in the building.
I know our simple layout building, every room every exit, closet, and damn near every switch. There’s very little cover, and concealment would only happen if ppl hit their knees and pull a pee over.
I suppose my wording SHOULD HAVE BEEN, where can I learn the best way to disarm a gunman with my bare hands?
Oh, I carry pepper gel with a 18’ stream, a tactical folder that would be useless in a shooting, and not much else that is good in a fight.
My awareness stays on high when there. When I arrive I walk and secure the perimeter of the building and I lock doors as soon as my ppl are in and the service is under way.
Just for my knowledge: Is that a state law requirement or a church requirement?
A good BJJ school will teach you how to wrestle someone to the ground and control their limbs. Kimura grip works in all positions including standing. Russian tie is another limb control technique. You can tie up limbs in a clinch too.
The gun disarms I’ve seen in my Instagram feed look like contrived bullshit to me. It’s like Aikido. Looks awesome but requires a contrived scenario with a training partner who plays along.
That’s why a good bjj school prioritizes gross motor skills and movement patterns. All of the Steven Segal stuff falls apart against resistance. If you want to train to grab someone’s gun away from them, IMO it is best to train to grapple.
Even then, you’re still taking about a guy with a gun.
First: don your body armor, then your cloak of invisibility. Then, you’ll have a decent chance.
Church, local church not archdiocese requirement. Not entirely certain as to the reasoning and am not in a position to ask the question really.
Ha. I understand your sarcasm very well. However, it IS possible at close quarters to disarm someone, else we’d not be instructing people on weapon retention.
Now, I get that I’m not Bruce Lee and can’t be stupid good overnight. But what I can do is look at and evaluate the techniques that may exist for the specifically close quarter dissemination, and if possible to train for it I know a guy who should know how, or can point me to someone.
I’m in good enough condition etc that I do believe I’m trainable for such things.
I sure AF never want in the situation but I risk it and would like as much prep and stuff as possible because of that.
No doubt.
I take all of this extremely seriously. IF I take the step of attempting, and I mean attempting, to disarm someone, I am crystal clear it is a 50/50 gamble on my life. And, if I take the risk you can bet the house I will put the full effort of a United Started soldier into what I’m doing.
All that said, I do very much want to train limb control stuff, especially hands and arms of course.
Disarming a gunman is different from disarming a law-abiding guy carrying a gun. I’m not even sure why you, if you are armed, would attempt to disarm a gunman. Edit: Misremembered the first post; sounds like you will not be armed. I would recommend putting armed people at entrances.
The only advice I can give you is to train.
If you want to learn how to grapple, I recommend training with people who can out-grapple you.
If you want to learn how to do a specific move to take someone’s weapon away, I’m not in a position to offer any advice on that.
As two jar said, learn basic grappling, best advice. Two systems I am familar with that focus on weapon retention and disarming techinques are Krav Maga and Toney Blauer’s Spear system.
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Something that happened over the weekend during a class:
Don’t come to the firing line at a shooting range without any ammunition. Don’t get caught underprepared.
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