To add a bit to what idaho said, this is decisive non-lethal force in action. Some guys just don’t know when to quit, so a pig pile gives them no choice. One of the longest shit-shows I oversaw ended with a guy, who just moments before was beaten severely by a pack of 5 bikers, charge at the police when they showed up. He got tased and pig-piled by 3 of them before being taken into custody.
The beating he took prior to that defied all logic. He just kept getting up asking the bikers for more, and getting more. Running his mouth like he was Mike Tyson but completely inept at both offense and defense. I tried to stop it and succeeded just before the cops showed up and he decided to run his mouth at them. Total insanity.
The guy was wasted and impervious to both pain and reasoning. It is really tough for people to understand what that’s like unless you’ve dealt with someone in that state with bad intentions. I’m guessing some type of coke/meth/speed was in play as well as alcohol.
These are dangerous people to attempt to subdue by yourself.
A few thoughts…
First separate social violence and predatory violence. As a bouncer I mostly dealt with the former. These were not guys who were after anything specific from me, but only wanted to seem as if THEY were in control of the situation, that THEY got to dictate the terms at the bar and that THEY ARE THE SWINGING DICK TOUGH GUY.
That’s social violence, and those peacocks retract their feathers rather quickly when things don’t go their way. IMO you need only separate yourself by training, fitness and most importantly, conduct to avoid this quite easily. If you happen to be unable to, such as if you do doorman work, you will be much better off if you can resolve these issues without putting anyone in the hospital or even busting up their face a little bit. It is better to make them both feel and look like a helpless child. You don’t need to rack up a list of enemies that way, and may even make friends with some of the people’s ass you whoop. That requires that you separate yourself significantly by a combination of training and attributes/fitness.
It also requires some level of grappling proficiency. Once you start throwing strikes, faces start getting busted up fast.
Predatory violence is when someone wants to take something from you or administer life-altering damage. In the most basic form, think of the knock-out game where someone just sucker punches you out of the blue. Predatory violence is serious violence, up to and including lethal force.
When that whistle blows, fight as hard as you can with everything you have. In that case, grappling is also your life line. The most basic skill you can gain is being difficult/nearly impossible for a single person to hold down. Then you get good at holding people down. Then you start with the submissions and more refined techniques.
If your grappling sucks and your striking is great, you’ve left the door open for a good high school wrestler to whoop your ass if he hits you with a sucker double and pins you down.
