Yeah, I don’t get the sense that anyone here explicitly wishes ill upon those people.
And I’m the first in line to admit my own biases - 13 years of public education in a left-leaning area, and more than one friend who I’ve seen much happier on the other end of a transition supported by their family and peers.
I think there’s a disconnect between gender and gender roles. Gender roles are a societal construct where it is common for men to work themselves to death for a family that hates them and they never get to see, and women get to stay home and nurse mental health crises on the daily while cleaning up after a group of ungrateful kids… Gender roles are shit.
I think men and women should have the same responsibilities and same opportunities. Men shouldn’t account for over 90% of workplace deaths, over 90% of the prison population, or be 4x as likely to commit suicide than women. Gender roles are to blame for this, so fuck gender roles.
In summary… I don’t care if a society has more gender roles than the nuclear family. Are they raising good children and being productive members of society? That’s really all I care about; if the woman is the breadmaker and man stays at home - I don’t see why there should be a problem with that.
Generally, I don’t care about PBS - I just wish they were as apolitical as a PUBLIC BROADCASTING SYSTEM should be.
I have a friend who came out as transgender too. I’m not particularly concerned with a 40 year old single guys internal notions of self. We’re still friends.
My issue is with teaching children that they might be, can be and even should be members of the opposite sex. I won’t mince words at all, this is child abuse.
Based on the graph you posted, you must be of the opinion that gender dysphoria was under-diagnosed on a staggering scale up until very recently, is that correct? In other words, we just didn’t understand how many transgenders existed throughout history until modern western civilization unlocked the tolerance codex to allow these children to live authentically.
Because it can’t be adults grooming kids for their own perverse satisfaction, can it?
I’ve asked this repeatedly in other threads with no good answer given…
If children aren’t being sexually groomed, how are so many children arriving at this new understanding of themselves?
But they can’t test your DNA and tell you what race you were, but we aren’t allowed to choose that.
Except they can.
My argument is that race shouldn’t and doesn’t matter, whereas gender does. Race is nothing but a color with political imperative applied.
Please, do tell me what chromosomes definitely can identify your race.
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I don’t see how the “might be” or “can be” part is an issue. Most of the time I hear about kids being taught these things, it’s given through a framework of “these people exist, and should be treated as equals.”
I mean, openly transgender people are becoming more and more common. They’re another fact of life that kids are going to have to learn about, one way or another, as they make their way through life.
I’d agree that pressuring a young child into taking on any sort of alternate gender identity would constitute abuse, but I’m not sure where you actually see this happening.
To expand a bit on the graph: I don’t really think diagnosis has anything to do with it. I’m suggesting that transgender people have always existed, they’ve just been historically forced to repress themselves. Now, given an environment where they can live how they want (relatively) free of ridicule/danger, they end up doing just that. The main point I’m trying to get across is that I don’t think the dramatic increase in people identifying as transgender isn’t a result of mass grooming, it’s simply because people who already were trans now feel free to be open about it.
Exact same thing as what happened when we stopped being jerks to lefties.
“Transgender people” is considered the more polite term, if you particularly care about that.
Because it isn’t true. A boy who is convinced he is a girl will not grow up and become a woman, no matter how many hormones or how extensively his anatomy is mutilated by his parents.
He will grow up into something impossible for any small child to fully comprehend.
I don’t particularly care for speech codes of any kind. If someone is offended by a plural noun in common use that’s their problem, not mine.
You ducked my core concern and question.
If it isn’t being taught to children how are so many children arriving at this understanding of themselves?
It seems like obvious grooming and abuse to me, and is thus a serious concern for any responsible parent.
Kinda like the dramatic rise in the number of gay folks over the last couple decades.
Maybe I’m just too nice of a person, but I’ll try and be polite to everyone I meet. I don’t refuse to call female colleagues by their new last names once married, so why would I refuse to call a colleague by their new pronoun after coming out or transitioning? Seems like simple manners to me.
Exactly. And there’s not much of an argument that people are groomed into being gay (in fact, we’ve found out pretty conclusively that attempts to change peoples’ sexuality a la conversation therapy simply don’t work.)
Absolutely shocking idea, lol. It really dosen’t need to be any more complicated than this, at the end of the day.
@creative_name @Californiagrown Please watch this video as I think it accurately sums up the opinions of most people in this thread who are opposed to LGBT agenda items being mainstreamed.
I don’t mind calling someone he or she if they make it known. However, if I misgender you on accident, don’t get all butthurt.
And I still won’t tolerate a male dressed as a female going into the bathroom with my daughter or vice versa, but I won’t mind calling them by a preferred pronoun.
Going with the name change logic though - does a maiden gender exist? I am being cheeky here obviously.
Which is why I think providing trans kids with irreversible hormonal/surgical treatments is an absolutely awful idea.
From what I’ve heard from my trans friends, usually something like this:
Thanks for sending that over, I’ll take a look now.
Folks won’t get pissed unless you are intentionally not trying or caring. And if they do get pissed, they’re just assholes anyways regardless of other traits. Don’t waste time worrying.
You’re worried about a trans woman, but youre not worried about a man following a little boy into a restroom? Play the odds here…
So I take it you find the present number of children arriving at this conclusion to be the natural state of child development?
Am I to believe that it was an entire human civilizations’ transphobia that was preventing children from reaching the correct understanding of their gender identity? Only now, in the last few years are children finally able to be their authentic transgender selves?
Really?
No, I am worried about that too. Anyone can be a predator.
Yep. I’d be equally suspicious and protective.