One of the biggest benefits of becoming wealthy (by talent, hard work, luck, etc) is affording a safer community to live in. I don’t really blame the NIMBYs.
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I know. I wouldn’t want a molester in my neighborhood either.
I don’t care about the wealthy- at least they’re “rational” in a sense; politicians are who I have problems with.
In China. Being unwillingly detained in a mental institution is also a form of imprisonment - something like “unlawful detention” to be more exact but I can’t remember the term they used there. Forcing the person to take medication is a form of battery(I think it’s the same as “assault” in the US). If there are no charges against the person, he is free. You can’t go pull a mentally unstable guy off the street and throw him in an institution unless he is about to, or in the middle of causing harm to someone. Or you’re intending to press charges for a prior assault and battery, which will involve criminal charges, which isn’t what you want if it’s a family member. Otherwise, the authorities won’t do it. Even then, an assault, which is putting someone in immediate fear of harm, or a battery not amounting to grievous hurt, isn’t a seizable offence, which is actually similar to laws in most other countries. Believe me, I’ve tried doing it the legal way. Money, however, solves everything.
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying. I think you’re saying that China works the same way as the U.S. in regards to the mental. I’m not surprised.
I’m saying that if you were to adopt a stricter law, you would end up more authoritarian than them.
I don’t agree that removing either criminals or the criminally insane from society is authoritarian. If you are incompetent to stand trial, you are incompetent to be free. No principle of liberty states that people must be allowed to infringe on the freedoms of others as long as they don’t understand the infringement(voting for all, I suppose…but leaving that alone because it’s not a principle of liberty).
BTW, there were and are charges against the guy. If someone is deemed incompetent to stand trial, then he’s been charged.
There is a significant difference between holding someone because you deem them insane but they haven’t done anything criminal and holding someone who has committed criminal acts but is deemed unfit to stand trial. I think the point is that if you commit a criminal act, insanity shouldn’t allow you to go free.
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I am curious what anyone might think. If someone is sufficiently seriously incapacitated by a mental illness such that they are deemed not guilty because of it, might they be eligible for release if they are deemed to have recovered by a psychiatrist before a jail sentence for a guilty ruling would have ended?
I’m not sure that happens.
Edit: Are you talking about people found “not guilty by reason of insanity?”
If found not guilty by reason of insanity, you are detained. You’re also only released via the purview of the minster for Justice in the U.K. and Ireland.
An insanity plea that succeeds may often lead to longer custodial sentences than a finding of guilt.
Unless the US is wildly different, I wouldn’t have thought that the doctors could discharge such a person.
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Yes.
I wouldn’t have a problem with such release, but I don’t think it likely.
If person could recover from a state of psychosis after time and likely medication therapy.
If a person was unable to be expected to reason any better and the person recovers their faculties such that let’s say a panel of psychiatrists deems them to no longer be a threat. Such a decision would likely include the patient agreeing to being on an outpatient basis and continuing with medication therapy.
I think that’s an issue…
In my experience, here’s the problem with that. Most people are deemed “competent” or “recovered” or “cured” through the use of pharmaceuticals which are administered regularly as prescribed while institutionalized. Then, the “recovered” person gets released, and for any number of reasons, stops voluntarily taking the meds and goes back to being insane. Enter the revolving door stage right.
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There can be people who get arrested because of the regular range of reasons and some cry foul about the revolving door of the justice system.
A big issue is that it’s so hard to distinguish so many mental health workers from mental health patients.
I would say that if pharmaceuticals are needed, the person is still insane, incompetent, and not recovered.
The degree of illness could be well controlled. So long as the medication(s) doesn’t have side effects that discourage keeping up with them and the person isn’t smoking a joint or whatever there could very well be no future threat from them.
Could be. I don’t agree with releasing him in that case.