No kidding. Obviously it is somewhere in between because our justice system does convict innocent people.
The question is, do false rape convictions occur at the same rate as false convictions for other crimes? I seriously doubt you have many women making up rape stories and that of those few false stories I doubt many get convictions.
The flip side is, how many rapists don’t get convicted?
Also, how many rapes go unreported?
Probably correct. A few situations make it more probable. She may consent, and after decide it was a bad decision (especially if in a relationship), and decide calling it a rape is a lot easier for her. When drinking is involved this stuff happens more.
I think many many rapes go unreported. Many rapists don’t get convicted as it is a hard thing to prove. A rape kit is not evidence of rape, it is evidence of intercourse. The state has to prove that there wasn’t consent. That isn’t easy to do in most cases (especially if there isn’t witnesses, recordings, a confession, the victim is of age, etc).
I thought a rape kit was something like restraints for hands and feet, strong tape to secure the mouth from screaming, that sort of thing.
I seem to remember a number of years ago there was a sex killing in the stairwell of a downtown Toronto commercial building. There was a night cleaner who had a previous rape record, he had been looked at by the police once because a woman said he was stalking her and he was found to have the kit on him, who ended up convicted of raping and killing another woman who worked at his cleaning location.
This wouldn’t be the traditional way people interpret “rape kit”.
It is a kit that is used to collect DNA from a woman’s vagina (or ass, or man’s ass I suppose).
From what I have heard, many of these kits are used, but I don’t think they commonly make it to court as evidence (because they only prove intercourse, not rape).
Too many.
Also too many.
They show all sorts of things, including how violent the intercourse was. Combined with other evidence (drug tests, witness statements, etc) they are vital.
Consensual sex can be violent.
Witnesses are super valuable here.
I am just saying what is reflected in reality. It is really hard to prove rape in a criminal court, and rape kits often are not used as evidence (often depending on the defense).
I think we are on the brink of technology really helping to stop rape. That is a great thing. We all (or pretty much all) walk around with video recorders. Many have them on their car dash. That women need something like this is terrible though.
And not many women would undergo one just out of spite.
Can’t remember in which thread someone (@Californiagrown or @mnben87 , maybe?) and I were talking about mental folks walking around in society. In what world does it make sense that someone ruled incompetent to stand trial be released? It would seem to make more sense that the person be held until he becomes competent.
That guy shouldn’t stand trial. Should have never been arrested. He shoulda been disappeared to save society the trouble and money.
He’s the type an older generation of British judge would have been donning the black gloves for.
Who pays for that? Now, if he were released to live in the same nighborhood as the judge, politicians, or the wealthy, it wouldn’t be an issue.
The same people that pay for everyone else that is incarcerated.
Well, until they privatize mental institutions, we won’t pay for it.
Huh?
I’ve heard that child molesters get it HARD in prison- looks like even criminals have a sense of justice
If only the world worked that way. The more I learn, the less resepect I have for politicians
If they make institutions for the criminally insane a for profit venture, then they will gladly use our tax dollars to pay for it.
Not necessarily. A CO told me that prisoners won’t do something that will get them more time. It’s not like it was their kid that was molested.
I think you’ll mostly find the vengeance being dished out by the lifers who know they’re not getting out anyway.
It does happen, but as you say, it’s not a ubiquitous phenomenon.