The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

There are plenty of conservatives in liberal areas. Look at the population of NYC or the state of CA. People believe that there aren’t large numbers of conservatives in those places? People don’t always base where they live on politics. Trump would never win my state but I know plenty of “gun nuts”, pro lifers and conservatives in general. Even the suburban liberals are sometimes more conservative than they would choose to admit. Just ask them to approve school busing.

Yes, but everyday nomenclature was arguably even more important. Resetting everything to year zero.

Factories, universities, schools…Nothing had a past before communism, enabling them to coopt rare successes in science and industry as deriving from communism and not having been created despite of it.

Housing prices in those liberal enclaves like Seattle, SF, LA, NYC are crazy high and the market is still crazy hot. Doesn’t seem like there is a slowdown in people wanting to move there, and still wanting to live there.

I was just commenting that it seems like, anecdotally at least, liberals are the ones moving around and settling in different areas, but i dont hear about conservatives moving into liberal areas. Maybe its because there is physically more space in conservative areas so that is where the population will expand to naturally. Actually, i bet thats it. You look at a political map and you see 90% of the physical country is red because those red areas have more space… and that is naturally where our population will expand into.

That is happening.

You can’t say that anymore. If you put things in context, you destroy the us and them narrative. BLM revolves around the concept of labels. There is no individual. You cannot look at anyone in context. A 100 year old white man from Mississippi, who called a black man the N word when he was 10 years old, can still be held accountable for his actions and considered a racist. His personal story does not matter; he’s just a representative of white supremacy. Just trying to put someone in context, like Washington, is white supremacy. And peoples who have been considered historically oppressed are the sum of that oppression and victimhood. Those who are part of the power are the sum of the evil that the powerful have caused.

This is why Rayshard Brooks will be labelled by the media as a black father. That’s the narrative: black = perpetual victim. Father = good. The cop is white: white = perpetual oppressor. Is that really all those two were? Brooks can be summed up just like that? What about the cop? Maybe he is a father. And by not examining Brooks more closely, we don’t get the real picture of the problems in the inner cities. It doesn’t explain why he would fight the police, for example.

There was someone killed by Detroit police after drawing a pistol and trying to shoot one of the cops. He was not even being arrested, he was a bystander. There were other cops there. What was he thinking? You can’t explain that by saying he was black, and a victim of white supremacy. A 23 year old man was arrested in Chicago for killing a 23 month old child by repeatedly punching him in the face. How do you explain that? It would be racist for a white person to say, well, he’s black, that’s how they are. But that is exactly what BLM and critical race theory idiots are doing. They take the individual out of the equation and say it’s because of white supremacy.

People make the mistake of thinking that Orwell was looking forward when in fact, he was looking back.

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Can you cite specific examples of these dangerous changes to curriculum? There should be news stories about school boards changing the curriculum, no? Small liberal arts colleges dont count because no one takes that shit seriously.

As we have gone over before, i think you are taking a loud minority, and saying that describes the feelings of the majority. I live in a hyper-liberal environment and i do not see this happening in real life. Which is why i have a hard time buying into this slippery slope argument.

Of course, most areas of the US (and certainly all states) have a large amount of diversity of political thought. For most people, economics, family, and inertia are dominant factors for determining living location (and local political climate is a much smaller consideration). However, the general population movement trends are from liberal areas to conservative areas and not vice versa.

Yeah, there should. But this also starts in college and trickles down when the indoctrinated get involved in educating children and bring their activism and agendas with them. It’s not even that certain things are explicitly stated in curriculum as much as it’s the POV of the educator influencing instruction. I’ve taken classes with future history teachers (even lazier and less erudite than English majors), who couldn’t wait to push their sjw agenda on students. A question: how do we teach Columbus? He didn’t discover anything. He was a murderer. I interjected, how about teach the facts?

It’s not that. I know they don’t represent most people with a brain but, their influence is greater than their numbers because they have the magic word: racist. Ask yourself if being accused of racism by a coworker or something would not be a big deal. Even if you personally feel safe from an accusation like that, do you think others feel that way?

First it was Confederate statues. Then Columbus. Then the Founders. Then Lincoln. And Cervantes? wtf? Go look at the Table of Whiteness that was posted from the African American museum or whatever it’s called. Time really is racist according to it.

And everything i have seen, and everyone i know thinks that is hilariously misguided. To me, it looks like the extreme left is running out of ideas to push that hold enough logic to gain any significant support. Again, i live in a hyper liberal environment, and am contrarian by nature and i dont see the extreme ideas gaining a foothold. I certainly will change my tune, if i do see those changes.

Khomeini established a theocracy that’s still going strong with less than 5000 followers.

Bolsheviks were a tiny group of sociopaths ridiculed and despised by almost everyone.

It’s the intolerant minority that wins in the end, not reasonable centrists.

There are countless intolerant minorities, and always have been. What conditions made Iran and Russia ripe for the picking? And are you saying that america is ripe for the picking as well?

I said a few weeks ago that they’d put of statues of themselves, I am now vindicated.

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Ripe? No. But @loppar is making a crucial point that a revolution does not need widespread support. It needs an intransigent pressure group and widespread indifference or acquiescence.

All London Subways serve turkey bacon And halal chicken because it’s the path of least resistance to only stock halal ingredients. The U.K. isn’t a majority Muslim nation, so consider why that is the case.

Cause its cheaper to stock 1 item the large majority are ok with. The majority is not ok with crazy leftist ideals, seeing as how the hyper liberals i am surrounded by are not okay with the crazy stuff.

I understand his point. But that is a worst case scenario all the way at the bottom of a slippery slope. The stuff actaully happening now (like removing the names of slaveholders from buildings and schools, and approved removals of statues) are a long cry from officially declaring time racist, and full blown marxism. I see a lot of fear mongering based on an assumption of going 0-100 real quick on a slippery slope.

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Precisely. It is more cost effective to not cater to the larger group and risk alienating the vastly smaller group. This is the point.

While I take the point, we’ve seen defacement of the Churchill statue and calls for removal of statues with nothing to do with slavery. I’d be more inclined to take the slippery slope point had I not seen the last few weeks of escalation of demands.

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The point is, that the majority dont really care if they get turkey bacon, while the majority do care about the extreme leftist policies being implemented.

What were the escalation in demands (are they extreme like declaring time racist or demanding large scale reparations, or are they fairly moderate like reviewing if folks with statues deserver to have statues), and how much support from the population as a whole have they recieved?

It seems like everyone is just chucking around hyperbole, worst case scenarios, and slippery slope arguments willy nilly. No, Washington was not literally Hitler because he owned slaves in 1780’s america, and no the USA isnt becoming a marxist state where time is racist just because some idiots in a made-up area of academic study needed to write something to prove they were producing “published” material.

Well, they might care, but not as much as the minority that operates on a zero sum fashion.

Oh stuff like the abolishing of the police, the dismantling of capitalism etc. In fairness, this sector of the British left never stops demanding shite like that.

Perhaps, perhaps not. I don’t accept their starting premise, so all demands on foot of it seem ridiculous to me.

Probably not. But it’s best not to simply write them off as cranks. Many of their fellow travellers are in positions of authority that may surprise us both. The head of the London metropolitan police force is one of the ‘give space to the rioters’ school of thought, and she has been since her days in university. One would wonder why such a bungling figure is never fired or even appointed in the first place.

Gotta push back here… Looking at Joe Biden’s recent adoption of Green New Deal, Defund the police, and Beto as ‘Gun Czar’, the adaptation of Marxist ideology is very prevalent right now. If he wins, I have to believe he will follow through on this crap. Which means that marxist ideology will have a prominent place in the government.

It would be less believable if leadership didn’t give into the violence, but all you have to do to get what you want is burn down a poor person’s building and topple a statue and the mayor will give you whatever you want.

The culture war is very real and very scary. The worst thing anybody can believe is that ‘It can’t happen here.’ The fuck it can’t! It can happen here, it’s happening here and it will be the law of the land if people sleepwalk through the current crisis’s and do not stand up for themselves just a little bit.

If they knew what halal meant, they might.

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I doubt it’s because he had slaves. He joined the Confederacy and was elected to its House of Representatives. Probably one of the best Presidents the U.S. has had. Coolest of all: He still has two living grandchildren.