The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

Sure it does. She’s old and could easily be in a nursing home. If I had said she was what would magically change? We could have put her in a home at any point.

Like most old people she hasn’t worked for a long time and therefore requires additional financial support. She lives essentially off social security like most people in her senior housing apartment.

Again I’ll ask if old people want to die so they aren’t costing anyone money (apparently this is true according to the right) what is your solution?

Nothing. You’re a stranger on the internet.

Why hasn’t she been put in one?

That is a straw man, but solution to what?

Biden has been in politics way too long to have either in any measure over anybody else.

A food analogy because I’m hungry:

Morals and ethics are like a seasoning that makes them special. They need to be used sparingly or they’ll just be like everybody else’s.

We don’t go to our favorite steak house because the cows were rocked to sleep before being put gently down. We go for the spice and sizzle. The great presentation. The mouthwatering aroma when you walk through the door.

Unless you vote for Jill Stein. Then your just a vegan lezbo.

Poor Jill Stein … she’s such a wacko but I like her for some reason. Wouldn’t want her in charge of a plastic toy-train, but I like her.

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It is? “No. I’m sure a great many would prefer their families keep their money instead of spending it on end-of-life care.“ “And they definitely wouldn’t have preferred to die rather than be allowed to continue deteriorating while costing their families money.“
“Those people had days of being cared for ‘round the clock remaining. Maybe.”

What’s this based on? The right has a current argument of old people want to die if it lessens economic harm. And now we’re throwing in it would save families or taxpayers money.

She hasn’t needed it. She’s fortunate unlike many. Not everyone is born lucky. She wasn’t, but she has children who help out. What should we do for those who aren’t lucky at the end? Assume their wishes? Not provide care for them as a society because it’s costly?

I feel the same way about a lot of them. Like Nancy Pelosi. If she was my neighbor (in a different universe) I’d probably cut her grass.

But senior leadership of government and country?

NO.

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Oh. So, again, she’s not a good person on which to base arguments regarding nursing home residents.

Not that I’m aware.

This has nothing to do with the topic. You’re trying to argue the economics of providing care for the elderly when the topic was the large percentage of people dying with/“from” coronavirus in nursing homes.

All I was asking was you to explain your own words which seems to be something you don’t want to do so that’s fine. I put in quotes what I questioned and asked for clarification.

People are not all that healthy to begin. That is why they are there. @anon50325502 stated that almost 40% of the deaths were people living in nursing homes. Then you started talking about killing people.

“No. I’m sure a great many would prefer their families keep their money instead of spending it on end-of-life care.“ “And they definitely wouldn’t have preferred to die rather than be allowed to continue deteriorating while costing their families money. “Those people had days of being cared for ‘round the clock remaining. Maybe.”

Again these statements are what I’ve questioned and where you got them.

  1. True
  2. True
  3. Possibly an exaggeration, in some cases.

So why haven’t those families done that if this was their wishes? You said you were in a situation where you could have done it, but didn’t which is why I’m confused. If all these wishes are known (I would contend they often aren’t) why aren’t these things happening?

My guess would be in cases the wishes aren’t known and in those cases we probably shouldn’t err on the side of “I bet they wouldn’t want to be alive.”

Just ask him what verse from The Bible states to just let your elders die if it will save you money. That should end this one way or another.

Let them die so they get to heaven quicker, but most importantly it will save serious coin!

Didn’t Noah’s kids toss him overboard?

I said I was in a situation where I could have done what?

More to the original point: https://www.jamda.com/article/S1525-8610(08)00172-2/pdf
20-24% of deaths in the U.S. occur in nursing homes. Do you think 20-24% of the U.S. population resides in nursing homes?

This situation. Were you not aware what he wanted?

He told my dad, so yes. Not a lot anyone could do for him.
Does at least 20% of the U.S. live or work in nursing homes? 15%? 10%?

No idea the exact number nor the point of asking me.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/00facts/nurshome.htm

Nursing homes are where people go to die. Pretending that nursing home deaths with COVID-19 are a good justification for shutting down the world is disingenuous, at best.