The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

Reminds me of this classic scene:

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https://twitter.com/andyswan/status/1220340462608961536?s=21

This isn’t stupid, but it sure is something.

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I saw that on a different site and hadn’t even ever heard of the game. That said I don’t need to understand the history of the sport to appreciate how simply insane that shot is.

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Right?!

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One has to wonder what it is with someone like this. I have heard of Jewish Holocaust deniers, such as James Keegstra and Enst Zundel, who have a socio/political agenda to push, but this one is delusional.

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Alex Jones disciples. The dude who argued Obama created Superstorm Sandy to beat Romney. The dude who thinks every tragedy is just the government trying to steal your gunz!

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Thats got to be the dumbest bail “reform” law I’ve ever seen.

I know why they’re doing it, but that doesn’t make it any less moronic.

Yep. They’re failing to provide one of the main purposes of government to keep the citizens safe from criminals.

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Why are they doing it? (I don’t know much about it)

Castration has always seemed appropriate punishment for rapists. This guy is just ahead of the curve.

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So someone trying to make rent getting arrested for parking tickets/weed/etc doesn’t get a $2000 bail, not be able to pay it, miss work, get fired and or not be able to pay rent. Basically, a $2000 bail bond can ruin a lot of people, and that shouldn’t happen for a non violent offense.

That said, no law is perfect, and it sounds like this one needs tweaking.

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lol 
 maybe they shouldn’t have used their parking ticket money to buy weed?? Or parked illegally if money’s tight (or at all 
 it’s not hard to not park illegally my man 
 it’s a simple choice of paying attention/regarding parking/street signs - most people are able to do this with little to no problems).

What would you propose be the tweak to these laws?

Fun stuff


Fwiw, over the 18 months i lived in SF I got 3 or 4 parking tickets while legally parked. It’s not rare. Not to mention the many times I spent 45 mins looking for parking said fuck it, and parked illegally for the night. And plenty of folks live paycheck to paycheck where $2k bail is not possible to get. So they miss their weekend shifts while in jail over the weekend, get fired for no-showing and are screwed.

Basically, the consequences vastly outweigh the crime in the numerous cases that this law intends to address. It also burdens poor folks significantly more than rich folks.

Idk the law well enough, but I’ll pull some amendments from my rear end and say that no-bail should only apply to folks with 1 or less prior arrests in the past 2 years, a nonviolent offense and misdemeanor, or, on the arresting officers reccomendation.

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Then you’re paying unemployment and in the future food stamps/other social services.

Most people who are already struggling don’t have 2 g’s to spare. The easy answer is don’t get caught with weed, parking tickets, etc but this doesn’t really address the issue of when it happens.

I also don’t know the law well enough to have a strong answer merely that the long term costs to other people may be greater than simply one dude losing his job. Especially if he’s primary breadwinner and has kids etc.

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This isn’t a dig at you 
 I think you pose interested thought experiments, but it’s not worth much and here’s why:

Your scenario is an entirely made up strawman that you’ll insist happens and this poor person should get a break because reason(?). They might, but it does nothing to actually solve the root issue with your strawman: the situation they find themselves in is the culmination of a series of a lot of really dumb, terrible decisions. Cutting him some slack MIGHT help him turn his life around, but I doubt it. Shit behavior doesn’t change overnight, nor that change stem from getting caught doing stupid shit only to be let off with a little bit of a slap on the wrist. It takes a little bit of mentoring, and a whole lotta accountability and self-discipline - 2 thinks your scarecrow doesn’t have and won’t have from this run in in imaginary traffic/weed court


Also, you are not your scenario. You seem like you make mostly good decisions that culminate to relative comfort and ability to absorb the bad decisions you make which may cost you a bit of extortion money from ma and pa GOV here and there


I get where you’re coming from. Its basically the same argument against welfare type programs. In an ideal world, I agree that you are your choices and you should sleep in the bed you made. And, frankly, that’s how I conduct my life and think that’s how everyone should conduct theirs.

But, my experience is that a significant portion of the population is stupid, lazy, selfish or sick and they will never learn, get better, etc without help
 And many will just never get better. Morally, I think it’s imperative to try and take care of these folks because I was blessed to have the means to.

Laws have to be one size fits all, which sucks at times.

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I agree, but don’t agree that ‘help’ should be a positive outcome RE: no consequences.

By means, do you mean desire to make good decisions?