The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

The thought police existed even before Orwell came up with the term.

Looking at most kids today, I would argue most parents do indeed suck.

You wrote doctors, plural, then refer to a single doctor.

And out of curiosity, how much of that charity money is going to churches…so the pastor can have a private jet?

You’re conflating two different issues - the for-profit foster care industry that’s sketchy at best everywhere in the world and roughly three nurse visits during the child’s first month that reduce first-month child mortality that are responsible for the US lag.

America has one of the best neonatal intensive care units in the world and babies are taken care of exceedingly well. Once sent home, mothers are not able to access the same quality of healthcare. This variation in the quality of postnatal care contributes to infant mortality. The absence of post-natal home nurse visits is also a contributing factor to the gap between the United States and other wealthy countries.

Again, different issues altogether.

I’m not saying that. Giving to charity doesn’t translate directly into lower child mortality rates, unlike, for example, access to antibiotics.

Religious people outgive everyone. That even controls for the money that goes to churches/missions. I’m sorry that one crooked TV preacher took your money.

I’m not saying it’s not a good idea to consult a doctor or nurse, but mandating it is overreach - pure and simple. When we had our son, there were programs and 24 hour hotlines that were communicated to us, covered by insurance.

If it’s such a good value proposition, why are the visits mandatory? People should be clamoring for them and hiring their own private nurses to show up.

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availability bias - you notice the shitty kids because they’re shitty/loud/obnoxious/disrespectful/etc. more so than the good kids. I’d argue there are more good kids you don’t notice than the shitty kids you do notice.

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Because of low-income low-education parents?

Really? The phrases ā€œpoor peopleā€ and ā€œhiring their own private nursesā€ don’t fit well together in a sentence.

If you’re comfortable with the fact that low-income low-education people have higher infant mortality rates due to the fact that they cannot afford post natal care then why are you concerned about them getting abortions?

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I bet the mortality rate of abortion is about the same as the mortality rate among low-income people.

Edit: What is the income/education level below which these visits become mandatory?

Because government knows better. Gotcha.

Voters should be clamoring for this initiative as well. At this point it’s one state senator and one governor. There should be mass calls for mandatory home visits.

How do you justify the mandatory visits to middle income and high income households then?

It’s not just post natal care man. That’s a gross oversimplification. Low income parents are way more likely to smoke/drink/do drugs during pregnancy, and a million other factors go into infant mortality. One of the reasons the US has higher infant mortality is because they try and save premature babies that other nations don’t. We spend a lot more HC dollars on hopeless cases.

Guess who has more premature babies? Lower income folks who smoke/drink/malnourish during pregnancy.

Abortion of a viable human is murder. Change my mind.

False.

True.

The solution to this is to regulate what a woman can do during pregnancy. Of course, she will still be able to abort her fetus; but, if she wants to let the fetus turn into a child, she better take care of the future taxpayer/welfare recipient/justification-for-the-welfare/nanny-state.

A cooky yoga instructor who thinks her newborn should be vegan, for example.

Where do you draw the threshold? Is there a X amount of earnings that miraculously prevents potential post natal issues? It disproportionally benefits low income low education families and you’re betting that every middle/high income family is responsible enough to have a private nurse at hand.

See the link I posted above where it identifies lack of post natal care as one of the main factors beside premature births for higher US infant mortality rates.

Who determines what is a viable human?

Isn’t that what pro lifers want?

It seems almost all Americans want to regulate everything. I’m not sure why anti-lifers(edited for better wording) care what happens(actually, I am-mandatory home inspections are a dream come true for them. If that wasn’t the desire, this legislation would be about mandatory doctor appointments.).

Assume you meant kooky (typing fast my guess), but as the Director of the Redundant Department of Redundancy, I had to point out the redundancy of this redundant phrase.

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The same people who determine whether or not it’s okay to slaughter them. Pretty simple definition. I’d personally argue any gestation age where over 85% of babies survive meets the definition.

But arguing this point for the thousandth time is wasteful. Zero minds changed. See you guys later.

Viable:
BIOLOGY

(of a plant, animal, or cell) capable of surviving or living successfully, especially under particular environmental conditions.

As a worker and employee of the Circumlocution Office, I’m startled and upset with the brevity and conciseness with which you delivered this. We’re going to be starting an investigation to look into this divergence from the norms and standards expected from our sister office. If due cause is found for the reason of the inquiry it will certainly and without a doubt justify a further look into the purpose of the probe.

Henceforth and moving forward you shall be informed of and kept abreast of notifications pertaining to, having to do with and/or related to any and all findings, conclusions and results of the afore mentioned inquiries into the previously mentioned investigation.

Consider yourself on notice.

And made aware of.

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Duly noted and I will govern myself accordingly.

My apologies for my deviance from the normal norms of redundancy and repetitiveness. I’ll try to stifle my inner critic that always tells me what to do and how to do it, and will make greater efforts to be ebullient, effusive, effervescent, verbose and loquacious in future posts when writing on this interwebz forum here.

I am on notice and aware.

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Excellent. I’m pleased and delighted to inform you that we’ve already begun to get started on the formation of the framework by which we will begin to develop any future communications regarding forward progress into ongoing inquirys or questions of the investigation.

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Jesus Christ, you two are writing like every government letter I’ve received.

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