The Stupid Thread 2 (Part 1)

Compared to the person I’m not naming out of fear I will “beetlejuice” him into this thread you and I are political twins.

Spectrum of state power

X-----Stalin/Mao--------A-B-Rand Paul—Anarchist

Where
X= he who shall not be named
A= you
B= me

Also I would welcome a rational discussion of single payer without hyperbole and “people will die” from both sides.

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Scaling HC costs outpacing inflation isn’t new. Declining average American health also isn’t new.

Our long term options (imo) are:

  • price ceilings on the HC industry
  • DRASTICALLY reduce the level of care the govt provides (this includes repealing the law that forces ERs to accept everyone)
  • single payer where the overhead of HC is drastically reduced and collective bargaining peaks

Option 3 seems like the most realistic to me, especially 10 yrs from now when all of the above problems are inflating even more.

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Can’t be Trump’s skeleton. It’d be fatter.

LOL. “He who shall not be named” Serious lolz.

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Not a supporter of single payer myself.

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Did you see any bone spurs?

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It is my childlike understanding that from a 50,000ft view:

  1. Americans are fat and sedentary. Making them costlier to keep alive.

  2. We are 5% of the world’s population and take 75% of the prescription drugs.

  3. There is a shortage of doctors, support staff, hospitals and clinics. Doctors being the largest bottleneck (10 years to turn an 18yo kid into a fully licensed doctor).

  4. Lawsuits and tort law make practicing medicine suck.

If those 4 problems were solved we could bend the cost curve enough for a two tiered m4a for the poor and private insurance on top for those who work. Which polls will decry as unjust.

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Lol I dare say any mortal would struggle to fix a single one of those, let alone all 4.

Hence, single payer to cut costs.

I think in 10 years healthcare coverage will be considered a utility

That’s a joke, right? I knew it would be bad but that is ridiculous.

Won’t rationing be super easy to demagogue from all sides:

The left: story on a trans person who’s implants weren’t covered.

The right: pics of a little old lady who’s dentures aren’t covered.

And that’s why it will come to be. Everyone wants something to complain about.

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Probably. But like happy little sheep we won’t really do anything about it.

Why would the Dems not cover said dentures?

I heard that on Perscription Thugs documentary. It’s from a 2011 report on drugs by the UN and so many be dated.

Lawyers for Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips allege in a federal lawsuit filed Tuesday that Colorado is on a “crusade to crush” Phillips because of his religious beliefs.

They are challenging a June 28 finding by Colorado’s Civil Rights Division that Phillips discriminated against a Denver-area attorney who requested a birthday cake in 2017 to celebrate the attorney’s gender transition from male to female.

Bet that was some juicy bait for all the ambulance chasers in town

Edit: do you know if the lawyer is actually TG?

I recall in a previous thread where you explained what your preferred health-care fix was and honestly it was a brilliant post. Any chance you’d be willing to repost that here?

(Assuming you will entertain a request from me. :wink: No hard feelings on my end from the gender science thread.)

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I dunno…The 12.7% of my gender-identity that is female is still pretty miffed. (Flowers would help.)

Strictly speaking, a single payer system would preclude individuals from obtaining fee-for-service healthcare and/or purchasing private insurance. Both of these are problematic for me from a constitutional perspective, so I can’t get behind single payer.

Instead, I am in favor of a system rooted in (but not limited to) a govt option. In such a system, everyone would receive govt-sponsored coverage for basic healthcare needs. This care would be rationed, both in terms of the treatments covered as well as regarding who is eligible to receive them. (For example, hemodialysis would likely be covered, but not for a 95 y.o. stage IV cancer pt who is in a persistent vegetative state.) Importantly, individuals would be free to purchase supplemental insurance, as well as engage providers on a fee-for-service basis.

I could go on, but that’s the gist of it.

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My fear of single payer, as a provider, is that in the USA it would very likely look and function like Medicare. As a provider, I freakin’ HATE Medicare! I’m curious on your thoughts from that perspective.

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Winner winner chicken dinner

https://www.pluralist.com/posts/1824-millennial-couple-bikes-through-isis-territory-to-prove-humans-are-kind-and-gets-killed/partners/44450

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What do you hate about it that’s unique to Medicare; ie, that isn’t also something to hate about Medicaid, BC/BS, or any of the myriad private insurance entities?

I want to say something but they’re dead, so it won’t be of much use to them, and I feel bad for their families.

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