Eat some fish every now and then, will ya, it’s good for you.
[quote]Majin wrote:
Looks like the prof just got his first internet gay admirer. He’s making waves.[/quote]
I believe that was some double/triple reverse band trolling.
Yeah, first post and this months join date. Maybe someone from the thread…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LOL at “I can’t see any progress!”.[/quote]
LoL at 2007 vs 2013. Oh, and thanks for strawmanning that and just about every other sentence.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Where am I trying to educate people with different goals?
I said at the start who this thread was directed at…so that means what you wrote is untrue.[/quote]
Everywhere you post it’s the same vague shit. Talking about maximum muscle without mentioning the maximum fat that comes along with what you’re recommending.
Most people who come here don’t want to be fat for many years. And since I don’t recall you proving that such an approach is even required for maximum gains in the first place, that’s called bullshitting.
X honestly doesn’t look fat at all in the picture he posted above. Great work man, how much were you weighing in that first pic and were you the same height?
To be honest since he’s carrying a lot of muscle he’s going to look a lot better at whatever bf% he is in that pic than someone with much less size.
I do think if he dieted off 20-30ish pounds from that, he would look “bodybuilding lean” (not contest) and no one would give him grief. That would still put him around 230 which is no joke at 5’10".
Sadly he’s also cursed with short clavicles so that pic does him no favors. That and the fact that he’s not flaring his lats as you would in a true BB front relaxed 
PX, I think you should go full bore at leaning out this time.
[quote]myself1992 wrote:
X honestly doesn’t look fat at all in the picture he posted above. Great work man, how much were you weighing in that first pic and were you the same height?[/quote]
[quote]myself1992 wrote:
X honestly doesn’t look fat at all in the picture he posted above. Great work man, how much were you weighing in that first pic and were you the same height?[/quote]
You may not believe it but I weighed about 90lbs in that picture. That was me as a high school freshman. I wasn’t the exact same height but I doubt I was more than an inch shorter.
I am by no means someone who has amazing genetics and started out already big. I had to force my body to even accept that much weight gain and support it well.
[quote]Majin wrote:
Everywhere you post it’s the same vague shit. Talking about maximum muscle without mentioning the maximum fat that comes along with what you’re recommending.
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Honestly, guy, the same routine from you got old like 40 pages ago. If you are gaining “maximum fat” you did it wrong. Any point in my life that I was carrying more fat it was because I simply cared more about gaining more muscle than spending a few months making no gains dieting. It was a PERSONAL PREFERENCE. No one, and definitely not me, is telling anyone to gain fat on purpose and no one should be gaining more fat than muscle.
You keep commenting on what I am recommending…when what I am recommending is way different than what you keep writing.
I am not sure what this statement even means. Your body doesn’t care what you want. It is going to adapt and respond in its own accord to what you throw at it. The people willing to push the envelope will see the most progress long term. Therefore, the guys who spend more time gaining instead of dieting will gain more muscle mass in the long run. That is just a fact of reality.
That has nothing to do with being “fat for years”. It has everything to do with building that solid base while your body is still adapting hormonally and structurally the most age-wise in training to gain optimal muscle mass.
The people willing to make that a priority will gain more in the long run. Arguing against that is just nonsense.
In the future, stick to quoting what I actually write and responding directly to that. It will help you avoid making all of these mistakes like calling a man in his 30’s “middle aged” and mistaking everything I write as recommendations for obesity.
[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
To be honest since he’s carrying a lot of muscle he’s going to look a lot better at whatever bf% he is in that pic than someone with much less size.
I do think if he dieted off 20-30ish pounds from that, he would look “bodybuilding lean” (not contest) and no one would give him grief. That would still put him around 230 which is no joke at 5’10".
Sadly he’s also cursed with short clavicles so that pic does him no favors. That and the fact that he’s not flaring his lats as you would in a true BB front relaxed
PX, I think you should go full bore at leaning out this time.
[quote]myself1992 wrote:
X honestly doesn’t look fat at all in the picture he posted above. Great work man, how much were you weighing in that first pic and were you the same height?[/quote]
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My goal next spring is to not wear shirts. Like, at all…ever. I will diet down until I look good enough to do that. The number doesn’t mean shit to me and whether anyone else thinks that is lean enough isn’t a factor.
If the average guy went to a pool party even looking like I did in that picture no one is going to be making fun of them…but I do want to see myself leaner than that.
Thanks for the words, man.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My goal next spring is to not wear shirts. Like, at all…ever. I will diet down until I look good enough to do that. The number doesn’t mean shit to me and whether anyone else thinks that is lean enough isn’t a factor.[/quote]
You say that every year, and every year it’s the same thing. I don’t care if you want to stay full house, but people call you a permabulker for a reason.
Probably the least intelligent argument you could make on this subject. People wouldn’t say a damn word to Mark Henry, an NFL offensive lineman, or the fat guy Brick posted a few pages back if they were shirtless at a pool party. But that has no relevance whatsoever to how good an individual actually looks without his shirt on.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
My goal next spring is to not wear shirts. Like, at all…ever. I will diet down until I look good enough to do that. The number doesn’t mean shit to me and whether anyone else thinks that is lean enough isn’t a factor.[/quote]
You say that every year, and every year it’s the same thing. I don’t care if you want to stay full house, but people call you a permabulker for a reason.[/quote]
I don’t care what you call me…and what you wrote is false as I have stayed leaner this year than any other when gaining.
I also recovered from a motorcycle accident which is why I wasn’t gaining much over the last three years.
That picture posted is not someone as fat as Mark Henry…so what is your point?
If you don’t think that is lean enough, why do you think anyone else should care?
Wait…you are trying to tell me what my goals should be?
If you are able to let go of the reins and trust someone else, I highly recommend getting someone to give you weekly comments on your progress pics while dieting. I’m working with Shelby Starnes right now, and he just has a very keen experienced eye. Also a sixth sense about when and how to bump the cardio, cut a few carbs, or when you need a good cheat meal. I know you trust CT (who wouldn’t, the guy is a genius), maybe he would take on the challenge. Hell, you two could make something like the Physique Clinic they had with Bartl. Even if you only want to push it to 10-12% the results would be awesome.
Just my two cents.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Majin wrote:
Everywhere you post it’s the same vague shit. Talking about maximum muscle without mentioning the maximum fat that comes along with what you’re recommending.[/quote]
Any point in my life that I was carrying more fat it was because I simply cared more about gaining more muscle than spending a few months making no gains dieting. It was a PERSONAL PREFERENCE. No one, and definitely not me, is telling anyone to gain fat on purpose and no one should be gaining more fat than muscle.
You keep commenting on what I am recommending…when what I am recommending is way different than what you keep writing.[/quote]
Are you saying that what you recommend is different from what you do yourself? Do as I say, not as I do? Because either there’s a point in gaining fat on purpose, or what you’ve been doing for the past 15 years is wrong.
OR is it personal preference in terms of you preferring to be able to eat whatever you want on top of your bb food? I really don’t remember you saying “I prefer to be at this fat level because I just like to kick back and enjoy myself that way. But it’s really not necessary for maximum gains. I could’ve gained the same staying much leaner.” That would be personal preference.
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Your body doesn’t care what you want. It is going to adapt and respond in its own accord to what you throw at it. The people willing to push the envelope will see the most progress long term. Therefore, the guys who spend more time gaining instead of dieting will gain more muscle mass in the long run. That is just a fact of reality.
That has nothing to do with being “fat for years”. It has everything to do with building that solid base while your body is still adapting hormonally and structurally the most age-wise in training to gain optimal muscle mass.
The people willing to make that a priority will gain more in the long run. Arguing against that is just nonsense.[/quote]
I was NOT arguing against that. The argument was about the necessity of a)getting to that high of a body fat level as you did; and b)nonstop gaining for that long, i.e. decades. I’ve never seen proof for either one being necessary for maximum natural gains. And you never cease to be vague or omitting them in all of your recommendations. Is that what you call “pushing the envelope”?
And I’m 31 myself.So it’s not like I can mean anything insulting by “middle age” and keep my own glass house intact.
The guy on the left is pretty fat.
I actually wanted this roided up, bloated bulker look when I was a kid, no lie, and I sort of managed to achieve it when I was in my late 20’s, at a low level minus the roids.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
The guy on the left is pretty fat.
I actually wanted this roided up, bloated bulker look when I was a kid, no lie, and I sort of managed to achieve it when I was in my late 20’s, at a low level minus the roids. [/quote]
I don’t think it’s a bad look personally, but different strokes.
Majin: I think we need to take IS’s and IAM’s advice and not expend mental energy on this anymore. The guy doesn’t like what we have to say, and although he has great untapped potential, both in how he can look lean and muscle to be gained --as I said, untapped potential in the lower body which might lead to some upper body growth too down the line from a whole body stimulus and increased stability and leverage–he doesn’t want advice to get there. The last post I made in here on suggested macros was NOT with bad intent, for real.
Alright, alright. Time to let it go. But damn, it’s so addictive! Just… the denial is ridiculous. I might put up a final one.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I don’t care what you call me…and what you wrote is false as I have stayed leaner this year than any other when gaining.
I also recovered from a motorcycle accident which is why I wasn’t gaining much over the last three years.[/quote]
So last year you weren’t posting in every thread about how your goal was to “never wear shirts. Ever.” K. And Majin already explained this, but no one on this site has any idea what kind of progress you’ve made. The weekly front double hunch pose doesn’t show anything discernibly different about you.
Don’t be dense. When debated into a corner, you will inevitably turn to the infamous “walk sideways through a door” or “you wouldn’t say that to my face” arguments, which aren’t really arguments but admissions you have nothing real to say.
So, “let me spell it out in crayon” for you: no one will ever tell a big intimidating fat guy at the pool how bad he looks. Ergo, it is a meaningless statement that for some reason you parrot on here. Try not to be hyper-defensive, now. That says nothing of you other than it would be foolish to ever use that as some sort of metric of success.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
The guy on the left is pretty fat.
I actually wanted this roided up, bloated bulker look when I was a kid, no lie, and I sort of managed to achieve it when I was in my late 20’s, at a low level minus the roids. [/quote]
I don’t think it’s a bad look personally, but different strokes.[/quote]
I wouldn’t say it’s a bad look. He looks like he could hold his own (massive understatement), and I would assume he’s strong as an ox.
That said, he’s also very fat. And that may be totally conducive to his goals. But the word “fat” here isn’t meant to disqualify the positives, if that makes any sense.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
To be honest since he’s carrying a lot of muscle he’s going to look a lot better at whatever bf% he is in that pic than someone with much less size.
I do think if he dieted off 20-30ish pounds from that, he would look “bodybuilding lean” (not contest) and no one would give him grief. That would still put him around 230 which is no joke at 5’10".
Sadly he’s also cursed with short clavicles so that pic does him no favors. That and the fact that he’s not flaring his lats as you would in a true BB front relaxed
PX, I think you should go full bore at leaning out this time.
[quote]myself1992 wrote:
X honestly doesn’t look fat at all in the picture he posted above. Great work man, how much were you weighing in that first pic and were you the same height?[/quote]
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My goal next spring is to not wear shirts. Like, at all…ever. I will diet down until I look good enough to do that. The number doesn’t mean shit to me and whether anyone else thinks that is lean enough isn’t a factor.
If the average guy went to a pool party even looking like I did in that picture no one is going to be making fun of them…but I do want to see myself leaner than that.
Thanks for the words, man.[/quote]
Looking forward to this. My goal for next Spring is to lean up a bit as well. Wouldn’t mind staying around the same weight though as I’m only around 235 right now. Good luck.
Time for a new color tank top.