[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
[quote]Majin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am asking what builds the BIGGEST muscles…[/quote]
I am answering: it’s not frequent eating.
[/quote]
Drugs. Duh…[/quote]
Funny, saw this on Frank Mcgath’s instagram this morning. Notice anything in this picture? [/quote]
So Frank left out his weapon’s grease syringe. So what?
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
[quote]Majin wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am asking what builds the BIGGEST muscles…[/quote]
I am answering: it’s not frequent eating.
[/quote]
Drugs. Duh…[/quote]
Funny, saw this on Frank Mcgath’s instagram this morning. Notice anything in this picture? [/quote]
So Frank left out his weapon’s grease syringe. So what?[/quote]
lol. Eat Clen Tren Hard hommies.
[quote]myself1992 wrote:
lol PX threads are always a shitstorm[/quote]
Hey, if that is all you and others bring to the table, then that is all it will be.
Reality is, this thread apparently did have interest as far as the topic…despite the multiple attempts to act like it was pointless.
Full pages of posts like yours are a great way to start, huh?
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?
The DIABEEETUS SCARE!!!
Question, if it is agreed that exercises changes the action of how food affects your system greatly, why do so many seem to be telling everyone they are steps away from “beetus” even if they train daily and don’t make all meals from Pillsbury dough rolls and powdered sugar?
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?[/quote]
Wut? Hah. Seriously, you should have some kind of hunger. I’m not saying “OMG I am so hungry” but you should be having some level of hunger throughout the day, except for maybe 1-2 hours after you eat. If you stay between the scale 3-8 on a scale of 1-10 (1 being I’m going to pass out I’m so hungry and 10 being I’m going to explode full), you’ll drop fat. It’s really simple.
I tracked this for a couple of months, different levels of energy, mental capacity compared to my level of hunger just before, after and 1 hour after eating throughout the day, and the best fat loss results while maintaing my performance in the gym, I had was when I ate at level 3 and stopped eating at level 8.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?[/quote]
Wut? Hah. Seriously, you should have some kind of hunger. I’m not saying “OMG I am so hungry” but you should be having some level of hunger throughout the day, except for maybe 1-2 hours after you eat. If you stay between the scale 3-8 on a scale of 1-10 (1 being I’m going to pass out I’m so hungry and 10 being I’m going to explode full), you’ll drop fat. It’s really simple.
I tracked this for a couple of months, different levels of energy, mental capacity compared to my level of hunger just before, after and 1 hour after eating throughout the day, and the best fat loss results while maintaing my performance in the gym, I had was when I ate at level 3 and stopped eating at level 8.
[/quote]
For me personally when I was at my leanest and still consistently dropping at least half a pound a week I was only really noticably hungry from waking up to my first meal at about 1 or 2pm.
Maybe cause IF allowed me to gorge myself in the meals I did have lol.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If you haven’t figured it out by now there is no peaceful interactions with PX.
My plan, and I hope others will join me so that actual discussion can take place, is to interact with posters who can have adult conversations.
I am very much interested in hearing an TC and Stu have to say regarding this topic.
That doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear from the rest of you guys 
I just won’t be replying to PX’s word games anymore and hope others that always seemed to get sucked into the PX Vortex will follow suit.
Let the actual discussion finally begin!
TC & Stu specifically,
How do you feel about meal frequency and meal timing?
We all know that peri workout nutrition is extremely important but why?
Why is the peri workout window so important?
Does the factors contributing to its importance change as a lifter goes from beginner to intermediate to advanced?
What are your thoughts on intermittent fasting?
What are your thoughts on the magical “40 grams of protein” per sitting mentality?
Thanks again and I hope others feel free to chime in with their experiences and any other added info I may have forgotten :)[/quote]
Coincidentally, I’ve got a couple of articles coming out that addresses most of these points.
Regarding peri workout nutrition, let’s assume a hypothetical lifter who doesn’t follow modern day peri workout conditions. Let’s say he ate maybe an hour or two before his workout and that’s it.
During his workout, Test, GH, and IGF-1 make a transient increase, but they fall below baseline after his workout. Insulin, because he ate two or three hours ago, is in short supply. but that’s what’s needed to offset the catabolic hormones that were induced by the workout.
Muscle cells are amazingly sensitive to insulin during and after a workout, more so than any other time. Very few nutrients will be stored as fat after a workout, but this sensitivity starts to fall as the post-workout minutes pass.
By the time the traditional lifter drags his butt home, his muscle cells are deaf, dumb, and blind to any rise in insulin from the food he might be ingesting. As a result, insulin will carry amino acids and glycogen to the muscle cell but it won’t respond.
Homeless, much of the glucose and glycogen molecules get stored as fat. Some end up in the liver.
Metabolically, the lifter’s body has gone to hell and back. Glycogen levels remain depressed. Catabolic hormones remain elevated. And the rate of protein breakdown exceeds the rate of protein synthesis.
All could have been avoided with proper peri-workout nutrition.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
For me personally when I was at my leanest and still consistently dropping at least half a pound a week I was only really noticably hungry from waking up to my first meal at about 1 or 2pm.
Maybe cause IF allowed me to gorge myself in the meals I did have lol.[/quote]
Definitely. IF would be another effective method to leaning out and I strongly believe it works equally well.
Funny, if you think about it, you were probably seriously hungry about as long as I was seriously hungry each day.
I’m assuming you ate 2 meals: 1 at around 2PM and another at like 8PM?
So let’s say you wake up at 6AM, you were probably hungry ~8 hours of the day, and maybe started getting hungry around 6:30/7 so another hour, maybe. So about 8-9 hours/day.
I ate 4, sometimes 5 meals. 7, 11, 3, 7, and maybe 10. Usually pretty hungry 2 hours after each feeding, so about 8-9 hours of being hungry.
I think this is quite interesting if my assumptions are right.
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If you haven’t figured it out by now there is no peaceful interactions with PX.
My plan, and I hope others will join me so that actual discussion can take place, is to interact with posters who can have adult conversations.
I am very much interested in hearing an TC and Stu have to say regarding this topic.
That doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear from the rest of you guys
I just won’t be replying to PX’s word games anymore and hope others that always seemed to get sucked into the PX Vortex will follow suit.
Let the actual discussion finally begin!
TC & Stu specifically,
How do you feel about meal frequency and meal timing?
We all know that peri workout nutrition is extremely important but why?
Why is the peri workout window so important?
Does the factors contributing to its importance change as a lifter goes from beginner to intermediate to advanced?
What are your thoughts on intermittent fasting?
What are your thoughts on the magical “40 grams of protein” per sitting mentality?
Thanks again and I hope others feel free to chime in with their experiences and any other added info I may have forgotten :)[/quote]
Coincidentally, I’ve got a couple of articles coming out that addresses most of these points.
Regarding peri workout nutrition, let’s assume a hypothetical lifter who doesn’t follow modern day peri workout conditions. Let’s say he ate maybe an hour or two before his workout and that’s it.
During his workout, Test, GH, and IGF-1 make a transient increase, but they fall below baseline after his workout. Insulin, because he ate two or three hours ago, is in short supply. but that’s what’s needed to offset the catabolic hormones that were induced by the workout.
Muscle cells are amazingly sensitive to insulin during and after a workout, more so than any other time. Very few nutrients will be stored as fat after a workout, but this sensitivity starts to fall as the post-workout minutes pass.
By the time the traditional lifter drags his butt home, his muscle cells are deaf, dumb, and blind to any rise in insulin from the food he might be ingesting. As a result, insulin will carry amino acids and glycogen to the muscle cell but it won’t respond.
Homeless, much of the glucose and glycogen molecules get stored as fat. Some end up in the liver.
Metabolically, the lifter’s body has gone to hell and back. Glycogen levels remain depressed. Catabolic hormones remain elevated. And the rate of protein breakdown exceeds the rate of protein synthesis.
All could have been avoided with proper peri-workout nutrition.[/quote]
This “hypothetical lifter” kind of describes me right now and I would consider myself lower intermediate lifter trying to put on muscle mass.
For the last month B/w 3-4PM, I’ve been eating carrots with 2 oz of hummus, handful of nuts, and 2 scoops MAG-10. I get home and start working out about 5:15/5:30 but ingest BCAAs/Creatine. Is this still taking advantage of the scenario you mentioned? How much different b/w this and taking a carb/protein drink intraworkout? I do eat usually 1-1.5 hours after my workout.
I’ve put on about 9lbs in the last 5 weeks doing this and for the first time ever, its mostly muscle rather than fat.
[quote]TC wrote:
Coincidentally, I’ve got a couple of articles coming out that addresses most of these points.
Regarding peri workout nutrition, let’s assume a hypothetical lifter who doesn’t follow modern day peri workout conditions. Let’s say he ate maybe an hour or two before his workout and that’s it.
During his workout, Test, GH, and IGF-1 make a transient increase, but they fall below baseline after his workout. Insulin, because he ate two or three hours ago, is in short supply. but that’s what’s needed to offset the catabolic hormones that were induced by the workout.
Muscle cells are amazingly sensitive to insulin during and after a workout, more so than any other time. Very few nutrients will be stored as fat after a workout, but this sensitivity starts to fall as the post-workout minutes pass.
By the time the traditional lifter drags his butt home, his muscle cells are deaf, dumb, and blind to any rise in insulin from the food he might be ingesting. As a result, insulin will carry amino acids and glycogen to the muscle cell but it won’t respond.
Homeless, much of the glucose and glycogen molecules get stored as fat. Some end up in the liver.
Metabolically, the lifter’s body has gone to hell and back. Glycogen levels remain depressed. Catabolic hormones remain elevated. And the rate of protein breakdown exceeds the rate of protein synthesis.
All could have been avoided with proper peri-workout nutrition.[/quote]
I’m curious will your articles discuss how/what peri-workout nutrition is necessary to naturally avoid the Test, GH, and IGF-1 fall off below baseline? I realize there are a number of article out now. I’m curious if things have changed with time.
Coincidentally I was reading one of your earlier articles today where you spoke about couch potatoes having higher T than your average athlete due to a number of factors. Would supplementation of say Tribulus have an affect on this phenomena?
Also I’m curious if the use of say Plazma affords you a larger window post workout to capitalize on insulin sensitivity?
Thanks TC!
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If you haven’t figured it out by now there is no peaceful interactions with PX.
My plan, and I hope others will join me so that actual discussion can take place, is to interact with posters who can have adult conversations.
I am very much interested in hearing an TC and Stu have to say regarding this topic.
That doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear from the rest of you guys
I just won’t be replying to PX’s word games anymore and hope others that always seemed to get sucked into the PX Vortex will follow suit.
Let the actual discussion finally begin!
TC & Stu specifically,
How do you feel about meal frequency and meal timing?
We all know that peri workout nutrition is extremely important but why?
Why is the peri workout window so important?
Does the factors contributing to its importance change as a lifter goes from beginner to intermediate to advanced?
What are your thoughts on intermittent fasting?
What are your thoughts on the magical “40 grams of protein” per sitting mentality?
Thanks again and I hope others feel free to chime in with their experiences and any other added info I may have forgotten :)[/quote]
Coincidentally, I’ve got a couple of articles coming out that addresses most of these points.
Regarding peri workout nutrition, let’s assume a hypothetical lifter who doesn’t follow modern day peri workout conditions. Let’s say he ate maybe an hour or two before his workout and that’s it.
During his workout, Test, GH, and IGF-1 make a transient increase, but they fall below baseline after his workout. Insulin, because he ate two or three hours ago, is in short supply. but that’s what’s needed to offset the catabolic hormones that were induced by the workout.
Muscle cells are amazingly sensitive to insulin during and after a workout, more so than any other time. Very few nutrients will be stored as fat after a workout, but this sensitivity starts to fall as the post-workout minutes pass.
By the time the traditional lifter drags his butt home, his muscle cells are deaf, dumb, and blind to any rise in insulin from the food he might be ingesting. As a result, insulin will carry amino acids and glycogen to the muscle cell but it won’t respond.
Homeless, much of the glucose and glycogen molecules get stored as fat. Some end up in the liver.
Metabolically, the lifter’s body has gone to hell and back. Glycogen levels remain depressed. Catabolic hormones remain elevated. And the rate of protein breakdown exceeds the rate of protein synthesis.
All could have been avoided with proper peri-workout nutrition.[/quote]
This “hypothetical lifter” kind of describes me right now and I would consider myself lower intermediate lifter trying to put on muscle mass.
For the last month B/w 3-4PM, I’ve been eating carrots with 2 oz of hummus, handful of nuts, and 2 scoops MAG-10. I get home and start working out about 5:15/5:30 but ingest BCAAs/Creatine. Is this still taking advantage of the scenario you mentioned? How much different b/w this and taking a carb/protein drink intraworkout? I do eat usually 1-1.5 hours after my workout.
I’ve put on about 9lbs in the last 5 weeks doing this and for the first time ever, its mostly muscle rather than fat. [/quote]
Man, that’s great progress. Still, consider what I said: virtually nothing you eat will be stored as fat in the peri-workout period. I think you’d make even greater progress if you upped your nutrient intake immediately before, during, and after (not 1 to 1.5 hours after, but SOON after) the workout.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?[/quote]
Wut? Hah. Seriously, you should have some kind of hunger. I’m not saying “OMG I am so hungry” but you should be having some level of hunger throughout the day, except for maybe 1-2 hours after you eat. If you stay between the scale 3-8 on a scale of 1-10 (1 being I’m going to pass out I’m so hungry and 10 being I’m going to explode full), you’ll drop fat. It’s really simple.
I tracked this for a couple of months, different levels of energy, mental capacity compared to my level of hunger just before, after and 1 hour after eating throughout the day, and the best fat loss results while maintaing my performance in the gym, I had was when I ate at level 3 and stopped eating at level 8.
[/quote]
For me personally when I was at my leanest and still consistently dropping at least half a pound a week I was only really noticably hungry from waking up to my first meal at about 1 or 2pm.
Maybe cause IF allowed me to gorge myself in the meals I did have lol.[/quote]
Dropped 6 lbs this week and I am not hungry all the time. You do not need to be hungry all day when cutting.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?[/quote]
Wut? Hah. Seriously, you should have some kind of hunger. I’m not saying “OMG I am so hungry” but you should be having some level of hunger throughout the day, except for maybe 1-2 hours after you eat. If you stay between the scale 3-8 on a scale of 1-10 (1 being I’m going to pass out I’m so hungry and 10 being I’m going to explode full), you’ll drop fat. It’s really simple.
I tracked this for a couple of months, different levels of energy, mental capacity compared to my level of hunger just before, after and 1 hour after eating throughout the day, and the best fat loss results while maintaing my performance in the gym, I had was when I ate at level 3 and stopped eating at level 8.
[/quote]
For me personally when I was at my leanest and still consistently dropping at least half a pound a week I was only really noticably hungry from waking up to my first meal at about 1 or 2pm.
Maybe cause IF allowed me to gorge myself in the meals I did have lol.[/quote]
Dropped 6 lbs this week and I am not hungry all the time. You do not need to be hungry all day when cutting. [/quote]
No doubt. I think it’s pretty much been established there are exceptions to most rules.
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?[/quote]
Wut? Hah. Seriously, you should have some kind of hunger. I’m not saying “OMG I am so hungry” but you should be having some level of hunger throughout the day, except for maybe 1-2 hours after you eat. If you stay between the scale 3-8 on a scale of 1-10 (1 being I’m going to pass out I’m so hungry and 10 being I’m going to explode full), you’ll drop fat. It’s really simple.
I tracked this for a couple of months, different levels of energy, mental capacity compared to my level of hunger just before, after and 1 hour after eating throughout the day, and the best fat loss results while maintaing my performance in the gym, I had was when I ate at level 3 and stopped eating at level 8.
[/quote]
For me personally when I was at my leanest and still consistently dropping at least half a pound a week I was only really noticably hungry from waking up to my first meal at about 1 or 2pm.
Maybe cause IF allowed me to gorge myself in the meals I did have lol.[/quote]
Dropped 6 lbs this week and I am not hungry all the time. You do not need to be hungry all day when cutting. [/quote]
No doubt. I think it’s pretty much been established there are exceptions to most rules. [/quote]
I think not being hungry all the time is the rule not the exceptions
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?[/quote]
Wut? Hah. Seriously, you should have some kind of hunger. I’m not saying “OMG I am so hungry” but you should be having some level of hunger throughout the day, except for maybe 1-2 hours after you eat. If you stay between the scale 3-8 on a scale of 1-10 (1 being I’m going to pass out I’m so hungry and 10 being I’m going to explode full), you’ll drop fat. It’s really simple.
I tracked this for a couple of months, different levels of energy, mental capacity compared to my level of hunger just before, after and 1 hour after eating throughout the day, and the best fat loss results while maintaing my performance in the gym, I had was when I ate at level 3 and stopped eating at level 8.
[/quote]
For me personally when I was at my leanest and still consistently dropping at least half a pound a week I was only really noticably hungry from waking up to my first meal at about 1 or 2pm.
Maybe cause IF allowed me to gorge myself in the meals I did have lol.[/quote]
Dropped 6 lbs this week and I am not hungry all the time. You do not need to be hungry all day when cutting. [/quote]
That must have been one epic dump you took.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
If you are trying to lose weight, you should be hungry all day long.[/quote]
Wut?[/quote]
Wut? Hah. Seriously, you should have some kind of hunger. I’m not saying “OMG I am so hungry” but you should be having some level of hunger throughout the day, except for maybe 1-2 hours after you eat. If you stay between the scale 3-8 on a scale of 1-10 (1 being I’m going to pass out I’m so hungry and 10 being I’m going to explode full), you’ll drop fat. It’s really simple.
I tracked this for a couple of months, different levels of energy, mental capacity compared to my level of hunger just before, after and 1 hour after eating throughout the day, and the best fat loss results while maintaing my performance in the gym, I had was when I ate at level 3 and stopped eating at level 8.
[/quote]
For me personally when I was at my leanest and still consistently dropping at least half a pound a week I was only really noticably hungry from waking up to my first meal at about 1 or 2pm.
Maybe cause IF allowed me to gorge myself in the meals I did have lol.[/quote]
Dropped 6 lbs this week and I am not hungry all the time. You do not need to be hungry all day when cutting. [/quote]
That must have been one epic dump you took. [/quote]
For once its been a steady drop rather than water and GI clearance. Still been eating 200-400g of carb.
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If you haven’t figured it out by now there is no peaceful interactions with PX.
My plan, and I hope others will join me so that actual discussion can take place, is to interact with posters who can have adult conversations.
I am very much interested in hearing an TC and Stu have to say regarding this topic.
That doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear from the rest of you guys
I just won’t be replying to PX’s word games anymore and hope others that always seemed to get sucked into the PX Vortex will follow suit.
Let the actual discussion finally begin!
TC & Stu specifically,
How do you feel about meal frequency and meal timing?
We all know that peri workout nutrition is extremely important but why?
Why is the peri workout window so important?
Does the factors contributing to its importance change as a lifter goes from beginner to intermediate to advanced?
What are your thoughts on intermittent fasting?
What are your thoughts on the magical “40 grams of protein” per sitting mentality?
Thanks again and I hope others feel free to chime in with their experiences and any other added info I may have forgotten :)[/quote]
Coincidentally, I’ve got a couple of articles coming out that addresses most of these points.
Regarding peri workout nutrition, let’s assume a hypothetical lifter who doesn’t follow modern day peri workout conditions. Let’s say he ate maybe an hour or two before his workout and that’s it.
During his workout, Test, GH, and IGF-1 make a transient increase, but they fall below baseline after his workout. Insulin, because he ate two or three hours ago, is in short supply. but that’s what’s needed to offset the catabolic hormones that were induced by the workout.
Muscle cells are amazingly sensitive to insulin during and after a workout, more so than any other time. Very few nutrients will be stored as fat after a workout, but this sensitivity starts to fall as the post-workout minutes pass.
By the time the traditional lifter drags his butt home, his muscle cells are deaf, dumb, and blind to any rise in insulin from the food he might be ingesting. As a result, insulin will carry amino acids and glycogen to the muscle cell but it won’t respond.
Homeless, much of the glucose and glycogen molecules get stored as fat. Some end up in the liver.
Metabolically, the lifter’s body has gone to hell and back. Glycogen levels remain depressed. Catabolic hormones remain elevated. And the rate of protein breakdown exceeds the rate of protein synthesis.
All could have been avoided with proper peri-workout nutrition.[/quote]
This “hypothetical lifter” kind of describes me right now and I would consider myself lower intermediate lifter trying to put on muscle mass.
For the last month B/w 3-4PM, I’ve been eating carrots with 2 oz of hummus, handful of nuts, and 2 scoops MAG-10. I get home and start working out about 5:15/5:30 but ingest BCAAs/Creatine. Is this still taking advantage of the scenario you mentioned? How much different b/w this and taking a carb/protein drink intraworkout? I do eat usually 1-1.5 hours after my workout.
I’ve put on about 9lbs in the last 5 weeks doing this and for the first time ever, its mostly muscle rather than fat. [/quote]
Man, that’s great progress. Still, consider what I said: virtually nothing you eat will be stored as fat in the peri-workout period. I think you’d make even greater progress if you upped your nutrient intake immediately before, during, and after (not 1 to 1.5 hours after, but SOON after) the workout.[/quote]
Very cool!
Thanks for sharing.
Any thoughts on IF’ing?
I know this site sells supplements (extremely high quality ones at that) but what would be your suggestion to lifters who do not have access to them? (Like someone in a foreign country or military members who are deployed to remote locations)
Any peri workout nutritional advice for those poor catabolic souls?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
Coincidentally, I’ve got a couple of articles coming out that addresses most of these points.
Regarding peri workout nutrition, let’s assume a hypothetical lifter who doesn’t follow modern day peri workout conditions. Let’s say he ate maybe an hour or two before his workout and that’s it.
During his workout, Test, GH, and IGF-1 make a transient increase, but they fall below baseline after his workout. Insulin, because he ate two or three hours ago, is in short supply. but that’s what’s needed to offset the catabolic hormones that were induced by the workout.
Muscle cells are amazingly sensitive to insulin during and after a workout, more so than any other time. Very few nutrients will be stored as fat after a workout, but this sensitivity starts to fall as the post-workout minutes pass.
By the time the traditional lifter drags his butt home, his muscle cells are deaf, dumb, and blind to any rise in insulin from the food he might be ingesting. As a result, insulin will carry amino acids and glycogen to the muscle cell but it won’t respond.
Homeless, much of the glucose and glycogen molecules get stored as fat. Some end up in the liver.
Metabolically, the lifter’s body has gone to hell and back. Glycogen levels remain depressed. Catabolic hormones remain elevated. And the rate of protein breakdown exceeds the rate of protein synthesis.
All could have been avoided with proper peri-workout nutrition.[/quote]
I’m curious will your articles discuss how/what peri-workout nutrition is necessary to naturally avoid the Test, GH, and IGF-1 fall off below baseline? I realize there are a number of article out now. I’m curious if things have changed with time.
Coincidentally I was reading one of your earlier articles today where you spoke about couch potatoes having higher T than your average athlete due to a number of factors. Would supplementation of say Tribulus have an affect on this phenomena?
Also I’m curious if the use of say Plazma affords you a larger window post workout to capitalize on insulin sensitivity?
Thanks TC![/quote]
Yep, my upcoming article does address all that. I think I make a pretty solid case.
The reason couch potatoes often have higher T is probably multifactorial – for one things, lifters generally have a drop in T levels after a workout. There’s a lot of speculation as to why that happens. Secondly, athletes in general have a higher clearance rate of T. I don’t think anyone’s got a real clear picture as to what’s happening.
High grade Tribulus seems to have an effect on Test levels, as does Forskolin, but lifters will probably still have weird T levels compared to non-athletes. It’s a mystery.
And yeah, using Plazma during the workout should give you a bigger window of opportunity, but it’s hard to quantify given phys differences among people.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
[quote]TC wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If you haven’t figured it out by now there is no peaceful interactions with PX.
My plan, and I hope others will join me so that actual discussion can take place, is to interact with posters who can have adult conversations.
I am very much interested in hearing an TC and Stu have to say regarding this topic.
That doesn’t mean I don’t want to hear from the rest of you guys
I just won’t be replying to PX’s word games anymore and hope others that always seemed to get sucked into the PX Vortex will follow suit.
Let the actual discussion finally begin!
TC & Stu specifically,
How do you feel about meal frequency and meal timing?
We all know that peri workout nutrition is extremely important but why?
Why is the peri workout window so important?
Does the factors contributing to its importance change as a lifter goes from beginner to intermediate to advanced?
What are your thoughts on intermittent fasting?
What are your thoughts on the magical “40 grams of protein” per sitting mentality?
Thanks again and I hope others feel free to chime in with their experiences and any other added info I may have forgotten :)[/quote]
Coincidentally, I’ve got a couple of articles coming out that addresses most of these points.
Regarding peri workout nutrition, let’s assume a hypothetical lifter who doesn’t follow modern day peri workout conditions. Let’s say he ate maybe an hour or two before his workout and that’s it.
During his workout, Test, GH, and IGF-1 make a transient increase, but they fall below baseline after his workout. Insulin, because he ate two or three hours ago, is in short supply. but that’s what’s needed to offset the catabolic hormones that were induced by the workout.
Muscle cells are amazingly sensitive to insulin during and after a workout, more so than any other time. Very few nutrients will be stored as fat after a workout, but this sensitivity starts to fall as the post-workout minutes pass.
By the time the traditional lifter drags his butt home, his muscle cells are deaf, dumb, and blind to any rise in insulin from the food he might be ingesting. As a result, insulin will carry amino acids and glycogen to the muscle cell but it won’t respond.
Homeless, much of the glucose and glycogen molecules get stored as fat. Some end up in the liver.
Metabolically, the lifter’s body has gone to hell and back. Glycogen levels remain depressed. Catabolic hormones remain elevated. And the rate of protein breakdown exceeds the rate of protein synthesis.
All could have been avoided with proper peri-workout nutrition.[/quote]
This “hypothetical lifter” kind of describes me right now and I would consider myself lower intermediate lifter trying to put on muscle mass.
For the last month B/w 3-4PM, I’ve been eating carrots with 2 oz of hummus, handful of nuts, and 2 scoops MAG-10. I get home and start working out about 5:15/5:30 but ingest BCAAs/Creatine. Is this still taking advantage of the scenario you mentioned? How much different b/w this and taking a carb/protein drink intraworkout? I do eat usually 1-1.5 hours after my workout.
I’ve put on about 9lbs in the last 5 weeks doing this and for the first time ever, its mostly muscle rather than fat. [/quote]
Man, that’s great progress. Still, consider what I said: virtually nothing you eat will be stored as fat in the peri-workout period. I think you’d make even greater progress if you upped your nutrient intake immediately before, during, and after (not 1 to 1.5 hours after, but SOON after) the workout.[/quote]
Very cool!
Thanks for sharing.
Any thoughts on IF’ing?
I know this site sells supplements (extremely high quality ones at that) but what would be your suggestion to lifters who do not have access to them? (Like someone in a foreign country or military members who are deployed to remote locations)
Any peri workout nutritional advice for those poor catabolic souls?[/quote]
I just finished an article on IF’ing this morning. I think it can work for BB, provided you do it on non-workout days or cardio/GPP days. I lay out the whole thing in my article and again it has to do with increasing insulin sensitivity.
Lifters who don’t have access to our supps? I’d look at the macronutrient profile of our Plazma/MAG-10 peri workout regimen and do the best you can to at least replicate the macronutrients (grams of protein, grams of carbs…), OR AT LEAST adopt some protocol that adopts the principles outlined. Granted, you’re not going to be able to do the same thing at all, but at least you’ll be taking advantage of the peri-workout window.