The Resurection of the USSR

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The topic is the USSR and Russia. How is your drivel about some false fatwa designed to deceive the infidel relevant?

I know what the topic is. I brought up the fatwa to counter Ghensis’ “equally as dangerous” assertion.

Now, explain what “gays” have to do with anything in this thread.[/quote]

Since you switched to topic to Iran the fact that they hang gays from construction equipment is relevant as it effectively displays that their leaders are evil and liars.

Not the kind of people we should trust.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Since you switched to topic to Iran the fact that they hang gays from construction equipment is relevant as it effectively displays that their leaders are evil and liars. [/quote]

First of all, I’m not the one who brought up Iran. And your argument is nothing but an ignoratio elenchi (A.K.A. red herring).

Try again.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Since you switched to topic to Iran the fact that they hang gays from construction equipment is relevant as it effectively displays that their leaders are evil and liars.

First of all, I’m not the one who brought up Iran. And your argument is nothing but an ignoratio elenchi (A.K.A. red herring).

Try again.[/quote]

Try what again? You keep interjecting Iran into it and indicating we can trust their scum bag leadership not to develop nukes. Of course you have supported their murder of gays and prosecution of rape victims.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Try what again? You keep interjecting Iran into it and indicating we can trust their scum bag leadership not to develop nukes. [/quote]

I did no such thing.

I am not the one who brought up Iran, and I didn’t indicate you can trust anyone. Read my reply to Genghis asking “Why should we take these people at their word?”.

Can’t help but notice that you’ve become quite the strawman expert. What’s happened?

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[quote]
lixy wrote:
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Anyway, the point - if any - should be that even a Rupert Murdoch publication acknowledges that the “nightmare scenario – the convergence of terrorism and nuclear weapons – is happening right now, and in Pakistan, not in Iraq or Iran.” So, maybe, just maybe, you should start questioning the real motives for the war on Iraq.

Other than pointing out there is more than one threat it does not really have much to do with it.

Zap Branigan wrote:

Not really sure what you are trying to say. Do you propose we should let Iran get nukes because Pakistan already has them?[/quote]

This seems like an illustration of the logic for taking preemptive action and not allowing such countries to acquire nuclear technology in the first instance.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Try what again? You keep interjecting Iran into it and indicating we can trust their scum bag leadership not to develop nukes.

I did no such thing.

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You just did! Stop wasting my time fool.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
You are also the one who said that Iran does not support terrorists.

I never said that.
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Then I can not see how one nation is any more dangerous than the other.

One has terrorists in it, the other actively supports terrorism. One has a bomb, one will soon have a bomb.

The US supports Pakistan because of the proximity to their enemy al-qaeda and their hosts the Taliban. Historically Pakistan has been an ally of the Chinese. Was that fact left out of your anti-US, leftist rags?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wow! A fatwa! Did he pass a fatwa t stop murdering gays?

How’s that relevant to our discussion?

The topic is the USSR and Russia. How is your drivel about some false fatwa designed to deceive the infidel relevant?[/quote]

His comment about the fatwa forbidding nuclear weapons development for military use has more pertinence than your seemingly drunken jibber-jabber about gays and murder.

So again, what do the gays of Iran have to do with nuclear weapons, Russia, Putin, or anything else for that matter?

Dustin

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
One has terrorists in it, the other actively supports terrorism. [/quote]

Look pal, I understand that decades of tension might make you very wary of Iran but you shouldn’t let it obscure your judgment.

Yes, Pakistan has terrorists in it. But that’s not the end of it. Pakistanis have been involved in every major terrorist attack including 9/11. They are therefore the most likely to blow you - or me - up.

Can’t say the same thing about Iran. Besides the bone they had to pick with Israel, they leave everybody alone. We can dwell into Hezbollah and how the movement is legitimate, but we’ve been through that before, so let’s leave that alone.

The matter of the fact is that people around the world are more scared of the large numbers of Pakistanis in Al-Qaeda (and scared of the US military!) than they could ever be of Iran. I just don’t see how you can possibly compare the two.

I really can’t understand your logic.

You say they will have soon have a bomb. Based on what? Thin-air? And even considering Iranians are cunning evil liars, how can you say they’re equally dangerous?

Seriously. This is like comparing the guy next door with a collection of grenades to one who might potentially have the ability to get a similar collection. They simply do not represent the same threat.

Pakistan has been a strong supporter of the Taliban throughout much of their reign. The late Bhutto was doing so with the blessing of Washington.

So, no, neither Al-Qaeda nor the Taliban are behind the US appeasement of the Pakis. You just ain’t got no choice because - unlike Iraq, Vietnam, etc… - Pakistanis can defend themselves and hit you and your allies really hard.

Ok…and that is relevant how?

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Wow! A fatwa! Did he pass a fatwa t stop murdering gays?

How’s that relevant to our discussion?

The topic is the USSR and Russia. How is your drivel about some false fatwa designed to deceive the infidel relevant?

His comment about the fatwa forbidding nuclear weapons development for military use has more pertinence than your seemingly drunken jibber-jabber about gays and murder.

So again, what do the gays of Iran have to do with nuclear weapons, Russia, Putin, or anything else for that matter?

Dustin
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Start over for me because I am slow. The topic is about Russia. Lixy rambles about some phony fatwa and it is relevant how?

Once the topic of Iran is opened the fact that they are untrustworthy murdering liars is very appropriate. They gays are a good example.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
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The gays
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“The gays”

Did you just step off the anti-civil rights bus from 1960? That just sounds bad, Zap. Way to denigrate a section of society based on their sexual preference. “The blacks” isn’t next, is it?

Back to the topic:

Putin is cut from the old iron curtain cloth. It’s no surprise his policies are retrograde to the progress of freedom in the guise of nationalism. It’ll be truly interesting what happens in Russia when he becomes ensconced as PM puppetmaster to the next President.

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[quote]kroby wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
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The gays
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“The gays”

Did you just step off the anti-civil rights bus from 1960? That just sounds bad, Zap. Way to denigrate a section of society based on their sexual preference. “The blacks” isn’t next, is it?
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lol

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Start over for me because I am slow. The topic is about Russia. Lixy rambles about some phony fatwa and it is relevant how?
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Actually, you brought up Iran first.

At the top of page 2:

Look at your last paragraph

Right after your post, GKhan responds and makes a comment about Iran producing a nuclear weapon.

Lixy responds (correctly) saying that Pakistan is a bigger danger because they are unstable, as opposed to Iran who’s stable and does not yet have nuclear weapons.

You then say the following about Iran:

This is when lixy responds about the fatwa denouncing the use of nuclear weapons for military use.

You following me so far? Why did I have to spell this out? After the fatwa post, you respond with gays and murder, which was not only odd but totally off topic.

[quote]
Once the topic of Iran is opened the fact that they are untrustworthy murdering liars is very appropriate. They gays are a good example.[/quote]

Most governments are untrustworthy, murdering liars, the U.S government included.

Dustin

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Start over for me because I am slow. The topic is about Russia. Lixy rambles about some phony fatwa and it is relevant how?

Actually, you brought up Iran first.

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Your reading comprehension sucks. Limbic introduced the Islamic bomb into the discussion earlier and he was the first to mention Iran. Lixy took the ball and ran with it. I continued to ask what his point was and how it related to the topic at hand. Never got an answer that made a bit of sense.

As far as I can tell he was trying to say “America bad” but couldn’t tie it together. Kind of embarrassing for you that you jumped in and agreed.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Your reading comprehension sucks. Limbic introduced the Islamic bomb into the discussion earlier and he was the first to mention Iran. Lixy took the ball and ran with it. I continued to ask what his point was and how it related to the topic at hand. Never got an answer that made a bit of sense. [/quote]

Nonsense.

All I did was quote the WSJ article about Pakistan, which happens to mention Iraq and Iran. You’re the one who took it out of context and went on a rant about Iran.

If you can’t figure out how Pakistan and that particular WSJ article is relevant to a discussion where you introduce the concept of nuclear bombs falling in the hands of terrorists, there’s no helping you.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Your reading comprehension sucks. Limbic introduced the Islamic bomb into the discussion earlier and he was the first to mention Iran. Lixy took the ball and ran with it. I continued to ask what his point was and how it related to the topic at hand. Never got an answer that made a bit of sense.

Nonsense.

All I did was quote the WSJ article about Pakistan, which happens to mention Iraq and Iran. You’re the one who took it out of context and went on a rant about Iran.

If you can’t figure out how Pakistan and that particular WSJ article is relevant to a discussion where you introduce the concept of nuclear bombs falling in the hands of terrorists, there’s no helping you.[/quote]

What nonsense? You are the idiot that implied Iran had no interest in building a bomb because of some bullshit fatwa. Still not sure what that has to do with the USSR and now Russia viewing the US as a rival. Which is the original topic.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Your reading comprehension sucks. Limbic introduced the Islamic bomb into the discussion earlier and he was the first to mention Iran.
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If Limbic mentioned Iran in a post on the first page, then I missed it by accident, reading comprehension aside. Your post, Zap, that I posted and highlighted, shows where you asked lixy, directly, a question about Iran producing nuclear weapons. That’s why I said you brought up Iran and nuclear weapons. Don’t make this complicated.

If anyone’s reading comprehension is in question it’s yours. Lixy responded to your question about Iran and nuclear weapons by saying they’re forbidden to produce nuclear weapons for military use because of the fatwa.

What do you not understand? I read through the posts the first time and understand what everyone was saying until your belligerent “gay murder” post, which came out of left field.

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As far as I can tell he was trying to say “America bad” but couldn’t tie it together. Kind of embarrassing for you that you jumped in and agreed.[/quote]

That’s not what he said and there was nothing embarrassing about what I said. If I said something negative, it was in regards to the government. Not Americans, but the fucking government, which you hold in such high regard.

Do I need to hold your hand and walk you through this again?

Dustin

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

What nonsense? You are the idiot that implied Iran had no interest in building a bomb because of some bullshit fatwa. Still not sure what that has to do with the USSR and now Russia viewing the US as a rival. Which is the original topic.[/quote]

Since we’re going to call people names, idiot, you asked Lixy directly about Iran and nuclear weapons. Your right, Iran has little to do with Russia, or gay people, which you brought up.

Maybe you could stay on topic also.

Dustin

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[quote]pat36 wrote:

I find this stuff interesting. Putin, the old communist teddy bear he is, seems to be missing the good old days. Over the last 7 years he has done his level best to undermine all the progress Russia has made in the '90’s. I do not think is will be long before the iron curtain will come crashing down again. [/quote]

Pat, you have no idea. Russia was a SHITHOLE in the 90’s.

There was NO progress under Yeltsin. The country fell apart.
There HAS been progress under Putin. Lots of it. That’s why he’s so overwhelmingly popular.

It’s a full time job, clearing up Westerners’ misconceptions about what’s going on in Russia.

This issue hits close to home because my stepfather was born and raised in the USSR.

In closing, I’ll add this:
Soviet Russia did not have imperialist ambitions. Stalin was pretty much an isolationist.
Putin’s Russia is NOT Stalin’s Russia, but Putin is no more of an imperialist than Stalin was.

Ergo, the U.S. has nothing to worry about and should mind it’s own business, instead of trying to put missiles in Russia’s backyard, expand NATO eastwards and elect Western puppets in former Russian republics.

Self-described “American patriots” would be up in arms if Putin was attempting to pull off the same stuff in Canada or Latin America.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
They have as much to fear from the islamists in Paksitan.[/quote]

In some respects yes, in others no. Russia, unlike the rest of Europe, does not have a major demographics problem with respect to immigrants coming in from the brown countries. And the country is on the right track, unlike so many others. Russia already had it’s major crisis. Europe is still waiting for the ball to drop. Another 5-10 years, it isn’t going to be pretty.

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[quote]kroby wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
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The gays
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“The gays”

Did you just step off the anti-civil rights bus from 1960? That just sounds bad, Zap. Way to denigrate a section of society based on their sexual preference. “The blacks” isn’t next, is it?[/quote]

Welcome to the board.

He spoke correctly.

I have yet to find a way to express a viewpoint without offending somebody.

But that’s life, you mark your territory and stand by it.

People who don’t hold strong opinions are known as “moderates” and they are quite possibly the most useless trash on the planet.

P.S.
Yes, “the Blacks” is next. Followed by, “the Jews”.