Well, I have it from on-the-ground authority that we are about to evac our embassy in Bagdad, at least of all non-essentials. Probably everyone. Friend called to get me and everyone I know to pray for his safety.
So, please pray for the men who are left.
My step-father (six years Vietnam) came to see me after I was done with getting the rig crews out this morning. He gave his youth to our country to see it betrayed as we fled basically for public opinion reasons, not military reasons.
He knew I’d be furious about basically wasting my youth in the same manner. Except now it is worse because now we are giving a country to allies/successors of the very people who blew up the twin towers.
I’m over doing stupid things, so his trip was unnecessary.
I am, however, beyond disappointed in the leadership in the USA for letting this happen.
This all is a continuation of thousands of years of hatred that will most likely never be resolved; an inept IRAQI Government; and one that wanted us out, but now, (with their tails-between-their-legs), wants us back.
Interestingly enough…The USS George H.W. Bush Carrier and Battle Group has be dispatched to the area.
Although I’m not familiar with the conditions on the ground it would surprise me if ISIS can actually take Baghdad. There must be an incredible amount of security in the green zone. Sure, they can create chaos in the capital with suicide attacks etc. but can they actually take and hold Baghdad? I’m not so sure.
The only thing that would trouble me more than thinking about those soldiers who gave time and even lives for this, is thinking about those who would have to continue to give their time and lives in an attempt to maintain a facade of stability and peace amongst a people that reject and/or are unwilling to fight for it themselves in great enough number.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Although I’m not familiar with the conditions on the ground it would surprise me if ISIS can actually take Baghdad. There must be an incredible amount of security in the green zone. Sure, they can create chaos in the capital with suicide attacks etc. but can they actually take and hold Baghdad? I’m not so sure.[/quote]
They can if the army throws down their weapons and leaves their uniforms on the street!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Although I’m not familiar with the conditions on the ground it would surprise me if ISIS can actually take Baghdad. There must be an incredible amount of security in the green zone. Sure, they can create chaos in the capital with suicide attacks etc. but can they actually take and hold Baghdad? I’m not so sure.[/quote]
They can if the army throws down their weapons and leaves their uniforms on the street![/quote]
True that. But one would be less likely to do that from a secure position.
There’s no way to go back in time and reverse all the soldiers who lost their lives or were injured in Iraq, but at some point it must be recognized that pouring additional lives and treasure, funded by the printing press and the national credit card, is simply not worth it. As Ron Paul said, “We just marched in, so we can just march out.” This goes not just for Iraq, but Afghanistan as well as our European presence. How about supporting the troops by bringing them home?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The only thing that would trouble me more than thinking about those soldiers who gave time and even lives for this, is thinking about those who would have to continue to give their time and lives in an attempt to maintain a facade of stability and peace amongst a people that reject and/or are unwilling to fight for it themselves in great enough number.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The only thing that would trouble me more than thinking about those soldiers who gave time and even lives for this, is thinking about those who would have to continue to give their time and lives in an attempt to maintain a facade of stability and peace amongst a people that reject and/or are unwilling to fight for it themselves in great enough number.[/quote]
Amen![/quote]
Maybe.
But Iraq was (contrary to media opinions) pacified and no longer a haven to terrorists and a funder of terrorists at the end of Bush II.
Now it is Afganistan 2.0 and will become a source of exported islamic jihad any time now.
I don’t give a shit about Sunni vs. Shiites, but this will end badly and result in a country that trains suicide bombers, etc, that end up in Western countries.
That is the real issue, had been stopped, and it’s disgusting that so much blood and treasure has been wasted only to let that evil export start again.
I don’t give a shit about Sunni vs. Shiites, but this will end badly and result in a country that trains suicide bombers, etc, that end up in Western countries.
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Can you really see the Shi’ite cities in the South surrendering to ISIS? Isn’t it more likely that this is the prelude to a bloody civil war as opposed to the country “falling” to ISIS as reported in the media?
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Whether it was a good idea to go into Iraq or not is irrelevant. I don’t know or care.
What matters is abandoning the situation and creating a terror state, which is what is happening.
Note ISIS has already kidnapped 3 people outside of Iraq – one American.
The exportation of Islamic jihad from this new safe haven has started.
And coming to a city near you, unless it is crushed.
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I’m not talking about whether or not it was right to go into Iraq and I’m not criticizing either administration. In order to remove the risk from that area we would have to go in and stay in. We would have to build infrastructure. We would have to help them totally recreate their society just like we did in Germany and Japan. WW1 happened because the war was fought, won, and then Germany was left to revel in its destruction. Contrast that to WWII where we stayed in place and helped them.
If we had stayed in Iraq and built them up then the situation would be different. But we knew from day one that we weren’t going to do that so we should not be surprised by the outcome.
I don’t give a shit about Sunni vs. Shiites, but this will end badly and result in a country that trains suicide bombers, etc, that end up in Western countries.
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Can you really see the Shi’ite cities in the South surrendering to ISIS? Isn’t it more likely that this is the prelude to a bloody civil war as opposed to the country “falling” to ISIS as reported in the media?[/quote]
There’s Iranian revolutionary guards,& the head of the quds forces in Iraq backing up the Shia, & Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani,calling for Jihad against Isis.
How crazy are we? We’ve been in a covert war with Iran for 35 years. These guys are the ones who held our people hostage in the 70’s, started the whole damn thing, supported the infant Hezbollah in Lebanon and killed our Marines.
And Obama’s gonna help them stop Isis!!! Is he insane? Isis is like the Iraqi Taliban, in my opinion, if they are at war with Iran they should be our ally…since they are also at war with Assad in Syria and also Hezbollah, 2 more of our enemies. This could be the start of Gulf War II and it could possibly end this time with the destruction of the Iranian terror regime.
I think we should keep our noses out of this and let the Muslims sort it out. Just my 2 cents.
I don’t give a shit about Sunni vs. Shiites, but this will end badly and result in a country that trains suicide bombers, etc, that end up in Western countries.
[/quote]
Can you really see the Shi’ite cities in the South surrendering to ISIS? Isn’t it more likely that this is the prelude to a bloody civil war as opposed to the country “falling” to ISIS as reported in the media?[/quote]
There’s Iranian revolutionary guards,& the head of the quds forces in Iraq backing up the Shia, & Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani,calling for Jihad against Isis.
How crazy are we? We’ve been in a covert war with Iran for 35 years. These guys are the ones who held our people hostage in the 70’s, started the whole damn thing, supported the infant Hezbollah in Lebanon and killed our Marines.
And Obama’s gonna help them stop Isis!!! Is he insane? Isis is like the Iraqi Taliban, in my opinion, if they are at war with Iran they should be our ally…since they are also at war with Assad in Syria and also Hezbollah, 2 more of our enemies. This could be the start of Gulf War II and it could possibly end this time with the destruction of the Iranian terror regime.
I think we should keep our noses out of this and let the Muslims sort it out. Just my 2 cents.[/quote]
Back ISIS? Fuck that. If we back anyone it should be the Peshmerga. They’re highly disciplined, well equipped fighters and they are enemies of Iran and ISIS.
