I usually feel like when you ask these type of things about upcoming elections I have a lot of thoughts. I don’t really have thoughts. I have no fucking clue.
Both sides will be angry no matter what because that’s how the game is currently played. But fuck if I know what will come of any of it. We don’t even know what the Election Day will look like from a traditional voting perspective.
Agree, @H_factor…this will be a modern election set in a backdrop like no other.
Also; a populace who will most likely be hurting and angry makes things hard to predict. (IMO).
Still; it’s a discussion board. Just throwing it out there for some thoughts (if there are any).
I think Trump has the advantage in the fact that he can continue to push for giving money away. He can say economy was good, this wasn’t my fault, I’m taking care of you now, and I’ll help rebound. Could be a pretty compelling message. Republicans won’t fight him on big government spending during this if he wants it because conservatism in the Republican Party at this moment is dormant.
Best chance for Biden is Trump talks a lot more and his rallies start back up. The more Trump talks the less people like what they hear. Stopping the daily briefing campaign rallies was a smart idea.
But so many unknowns in terms of what the country looks like in September to have any idea. Just some quick thoughts before bed.
Thanks, @H_factor…
Sadly (IMO) the “spinning” has begun.
Ads by the GOP/Conservatives are already out touting Trump’s “great” leadership during this horrible crisis.
Ads by the DEMS/Liberals are out stating the exact opposite.
For me, we were already going into this election with two terrible choices. Add to it a tragedy that I feel should not be “spun” either way, and it just adds to my desire to sit this election out.
Ordinarily, this would be a “wartime” election - the President has a lot of goodwill because people have come together to back his administration trying their best to win the war (even if they falter some).
The problem is - all that was squandered by Trump because he didn’t make best efforts. Had he simply done what the job requires, he’d have a chance to place the election above partisan rancor.
But he failed at that due to a combination of laziness and his own inability to put aside partisanship. And now this will not only be an election based on partisanship, it will be a referendum on Trump’s crisis management.
Sadly, the record on the pandemic is the federal government enabling one giant grift.
The fact that the dems tried to prevent Trump from shutting down international travel and called the travel ban on China xenophobic will go a ways to make people realize how much worse it could have been if Biden was in charge. Those ads write themselves.
We will probably ratchet up the tensions with China to a point where it is something for us to rally around. Maybe even a small military skirmish over their “islands”. Then those ads of Biden praising China will be brutal.
What evidence do you have that Biden would have handled this worse? Just that? Do we know he may have downplayed it as bad and as long as the President?
Not sure how effective that will be…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736
It’s easy for Trump to spin those comments praising China as being made before the extent of their cover-up was known. As long as he continues to ratchet up pressure on them and gives the country a bad guy to focus on, it won’t matter.
Trump shut down travel from China 10 days after China admitted human to human transmission. The same day Biden said:
“This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fearmongering to lead the way instead of scienc”
The next day Biden said:
“We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering.”
Biden didn’t offer any kind of plan of his own until March 12.
What is your prediction right now? Who wins?
What keeps team Biden from spinning?
He really didn’t need to. He’s a Presidential candidate not the President. He won’t need to answer for anything that happened during this really and it will be very difficult to say it would be worse without Trump. I mean it can be said but I don’t know how without hard evidence which doesn’t exist.
Today I would place a small bet on Trump.
That’s a great quality for a president?
Because someone who isn’t in political office, let alone the president, should have had a plan?
Spinning himself is something Trump has perfected over literally a Lifetime.
Portraying himself has something he isn’t is not only almost an art form; it is something that he has passed on to his Minions that they have in-turn perfected.
I’ve said over and over and over again that the DEMS just are not good at this shit. It’s made even worse when you have to try and “spin” one of the most hated politicians in modern history (Hillary); then have to turn and spin someone who (bless his heart) can’t seem to stay out of his own way. (“Creepy” Joe).
Add to all of this the fact that Trump is the master of ignore, deflect then attack…and Biden (IMO) doesn’t stand a chance.
4 more years of The Cheeto Man (No disrespect to Frito-Lay and PepsiCo…)
Me too. I’m not cheerleading for Trump. I’d really like to see a decent third party or independent candidate emerge soon. I think this is the best chance we’ve ever had to get someone outside of the two parties into the presidency. But if it’s a choice between Biden and Trump, I’d vote for Trump.
It’s a great skill for a politician.
The difference between personal “quality” and “skill” is important.
I do agree though, the early ads on China travel write themselves. I don’t see that Biden has the ability to command material in the opposite direction. Such material exists, but Biden is probably not the person to be able to wield it effectively.
To whom? That spin won’t matter to his base - their vote is in the bag. The people whose votes are up for grabs - you think that spin is going to overcome the entire body of (faulty) work that these folks are alreasy reacting to unfavorably?
On that note, I just saw a Trump ad on TV that attempted to do what you just said - tag Biden as wrong on the travel ban and otherwise show the President he’s an action hero got stuff done.
The public doesn’t believe that, according to the polls - which is why we’re seeing this aggressive ad campaign.
But the counter to these ads writes itself - days of inaction and happy talk compared to rising cases. And then economic meltdown.
What do you think is going to happen in November?
Dunno yet, the pandemic is a black swan event that we’re not done with - and I predict closer to the election we’ll see a wave of former Trump appointees step forward and tell the story of incalculable dysfunction and plead that we need a change.
The election will be less about Biden and more a referendum of four years of Trump.
Spinning is not the skill; spinning so you don’t know it’s spin is the skill.
If Trump is successful with spinning it reflects more on the people who he suckers than his skill.