The Push to 2020 Has Begun!

Bloomberg is out.

Agree on that. I don’t like doing comparisons, but Trump is also a panderer, and most likely handsy with the ladies. I am not saying someone else doing it makes it okay, but if I am picking only between two people, I have to take away from both equally on the pandering and being handsy with women.

At this point I just want a boring president. I don’t want political polarization like it is now. I think Biden achieves those goals the best out of the DEM candidates.

Breaking news! Just heard it. I think Biden’s stock just went up.

They all pander, but Biden is pulling the dog eared race card bullshit with blacks and it’s pathetic. And I’d trust my ten year old daughter with trump before I ever would with Biden. HA

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I look at it this way…

If Trump can’t beat Biden, it’s his own fault.

He was handed a gift with the economy…and all he has to do is be just a little “Presidential” and quit pissing on even reasonable Presidential norms…and he can win.

I don’t have children, but I wouldn’t want either around them.

Do you think Biden would have won in 2016 if he had the nomination?

Trump’s approval numbers have not really gotten above 45% (mostly around the 42.5% for his entire presidency).

I agree with you that if he loses it is his fault. He was given an easy term with a good economy. His numbers should be 20 points higher, but they are not.

What’s the pulse on AL senatorial runoff and then race?

Good question…and one that doesn’t have a good answer (IMO).

The DEM establishment wanted Hillary so badly that they were blinded in many ways…not only to the phenomenon of Trump…but of how badly the Party was harmed with the Sanders fiasco and all of the shenanigans carried out by the Russians and Wiki-Leaks.

There was just no way in hell anyone was going to be the DEM nominee in 2016 but Clinton.

This is the latest I have, @treco:

“Former Attorney General Jeff Sessions is looking to reclaim his old seat, but polls showed him failing to gain a majority and is neck-and-neck with former Auburn University football coach Tommy Tuberville, likely leading to a runoff election”.

Alabama Conservatives are just about as Trumpublican as anywhere in the Country…and I think Trump damaged Sessions badly in their eyes. Had Sessions not become Trump’s whipping Boy, I think that he would have been a shoe-in to regain his old Senate Seat.

I think he would have won fairly easily. Trump lost the popular vote by a wide margin to one of the least popular presidential candidates of all time.

What makes this time different is the economy is strong and people typically don’t like to fuck with a strong economy.

Biden’s a weird senile old man who often trips over his own words but is still about a hundred times more with it than Trump. And he would listen to reason. He’s not going to excite anyone but not having a temper tantrum narcissistic child would be a benefit.

I don’t think it matters if the economy is in a good place Trump should win regardless of who he goes up against. Like you said and I’ve said he should have about 20 more percentage approval but he’s a fucking idiot and shoots himself in the foot 24 hours a day.

I guess I would think if this is true it would be reflected in his approval ratings.

I am not convinced that people have been swayed into team trump because of the economy.

I think with any other GOP incumbent with a good economy the election is almost pointless. I think we have a good chance of trump losing.

Again…I agree…

With the economy he was handed and pretty much a Senate that has become part of the Executive Branch…with the aide of Twitter and his own State TV…Trump winning in 2020 shouldn’t even be in question.

But it is. And only Trump himself is to blame.

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I guess I’ll say I think he will be a slight favorite. I think when the day comes and you have to pick someone historically we don’t like to change (it’s been a while since we’ve had a one term president) anyways and then you have a strong economy.

If the economy falters at all I think he loses easy assuming it’s Biden.

Agree here.

I think Biden has the best chance to beat him (even though he is not my favorite, and senile).

With Bernie a big thing I am worried about is down ticket impact. I think as @Mufasa has said with Bernie a big risk is that the house flips the senate is fortified GOP, and with that a trump win grants him much more power.

Yep.

I personally still have Trump as a slight favorite.

Again; what the DEMS need to do is let things fall wherever they fall.

If things get to the point of all of the Super-Delegate/Clinton crap of 2016…the DEM party as we know it is dead.

This is where 538 has it.

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Biden is the front runner now. Sanders was the front runner up until yesterday. With Bloomberg out, I see Biden gaining momentum.

Edit: I see this was updated yesterday. Have Biden’s chances improved over this?

Trump is a world class panderer. He flip flopped on all his old positions to appeal to the right and tried to appeal to everyone by saying healthcare for all and he wouldn’t touch social security, Medicare, etc. I’m not sure it would even be possible for him to be out pandered.

But yes all politicians pander some just do it a bit more than others.

To me it comes down to what is more likely:

  1. A man in his 70s flips opinion on all social issues, and switches parties
  2. A known con tells people what they want to hear