How is Trump “radically right wing” ? I realize you’re 19 and probably a bit overly emotional, no offense as it comes with the age, but you need to provide something other than orange man bad.
I swear some of you guys just can’t help yourselves. You create new Trump supporters more often than you realize with your disconcerting level of anger, vitriol and hatred. Sensible people don’t like that shit. Almost as if you’re on his campaign team😂
Take a deeeeep breath bruh. Trump ain’t that bad. Good grief. That fucking parasite Sanders will destroy this country left to his psychotic ideas.
If Sanders is elected (lol ain’t happening) you’ll see crime sky rocket. Mark my words.
Not so, I’m actually what I’d consider less prone to emotional outburst than most my age. However that isn’t of importance, you can believe what you wish.
The man who obstructs congress, has been accused by 20+ women of sexual misconduct, people have forward repeatedly within interviews implicating him within cases of sexual misconduct and/or assault… the man who pulled troops out off Syria allowing the Turks to massacre hundreds of innocent civilians… the man whose twitter account stands as a front to attack anyone and everyone including children who disagree with him (Greta)… a narcissistic pathological liar who admits he “doesn’t pay taxes because he’s smart”?
He’s not that bad, sure… whatever
I actually like Bernie, aside from a few of his policies I’d prefer him (though most preferably as @SkyzykS specified Pete) over Trump…
have you seen how angry, disconnected and hateful a certain select demographic of Trump Supporters tend to be? You can argue my ideologies aren’t sensible, but give me a coherent argument as to why they aren’t instead of saying “you’re 19 and thus overly swayed by emotions”
How exactly? With Trump elected you’ll see more people going to prison for minor offences such as possession of a bit of pot… These aren’t “crimes”… if you mean that’ll increase then yes… because pot should’ve been legalised, taxed and regulated like alcohol was decades ago. I firmly believe Trump has a drug problem to boot, nor do I believe he is psychiatrically (given prior conclusions given by psychiatrists) or neurologically (cognitive decline) competent to continually run for office
How is he radically right wing?
first US president to ever attend pro-life protest
Praises Rodrigo Duterte’s societal/anti drug policies (leading to the massacre of twenty thousand + innocent civilians)
Islamaphobic
stances on immigration are beyond extreme
extensive skepticism of free trade
isolationist in nature “America first and America only” etc
pushes extreme and widely debunked conspiracy theories (the “deep state” comes to mind)
This is state mandated though, not relating to what the Trump administration believe. Over the next fiscal year if trump is re elected, federal protection for medicinal marijuana will be scrapped… Given his leaked interview stating “it should be illegal because it… lowers the IQ points” if he decides to scrap barriers regarding state boundaries, the feds could theoretically intervene within any states interfering with currently placed state law.
On a federal level (not a state level) having trump in power would induce regression, not progression in terms of drug policy or reform to the criminal justice system as a whole. Currently the system caters towards those privileged… with a lot of money/connections (Trump going on a pardoning spree comes to mind)
You can say “well yes, but X,Y democrat run state has reformed”… has nothing to do with the Trump Administration.
Perhaps medicinal cannabis would be outlawed again, and it isn’t far fetched to say he’d regress to breaking his prior ideology that “it’s up to the states” regarding recreation, we’d be back to square one. There’s far too much overlap currently between federal and state law, it’s getting stupid now… It’s 2020, the MAJORITY of the American populace doesn’t agree with federal law here, nor does a large portion abide by it… it’s time for a change instead of criminalising around 50% of the population who have ever tried it
The Trump Administration itself has done nothing to ensure societal reform is federally instated. As I’ve frequently specified regarding literature (esp with meta analysis) correlation and causation aren’t always linked… in this case they certainly aren’t linked.
I think Trump is good for Isreal… that’s about it… despite being of Jewish heritage this isn’t enough for me to pardon the rest of his behaviour
call me “yeet” or “yeeto”
The issue I’m most passionate about that I haven’t even brought up is… global warming, something of which Trump equates to being a “Chinese hoax”
You’re just speaking in sound bites and waving team color flags.
Look at the actual policy changes.
Look at the exertion of states rights without federal meddling.
Read something not from far left hate rags (and believe me, just because they agree with your bias doesn’t mean that they aren’t hateful) because your view of American conservatism is about as dimly lit and poorly formed as anybodys can actually be.
Passion is nice, but educated is better. Now let’s see some of those analytical thinking skills you keep hinting at.
Sir I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about
If you wish to see analytical skills, you can view certain topics I’ve created within the Pharma forum
This was created when I was seventeen
Granted I’ve come a long way since and don’t quite agree with the ideologies I preached back then. I was unaware of human equivalent dosage calculations at the time, nor was I aware of the differences pertaining to rodent vs human vs in vitro studies etc… I also priorly believed MDMA was about on par with meth… I’ve never used either, yet I now know that to certainly not be the case… people change as they grow up, perhaps my political ideologies will too
Under the proposed changes regarding state rights and medical marijuana, federal meddling would be a possibility.
I’ve stated prior, regarding AMERICAN politics I’m not particularly educated, yet I believe I know enough to form a reasonable opinion.
What are you talking about… I don’t have any fully formed opinion regarding American conservatism other than “I don’t value the ideologies harboured by conservatives”… this doesn’t pertain to American conservatives… it’s the same with Australian conservatives, European conservatives etc… I generally disagree and dislike the ideologies harboured by conservatives.
What are we arguing about? Is this going to turn into that other thread when you practically implied the reason I thought the way I do was because I’ve never been punched in the face (which I most certainly have been, its not fun)… I found that unpleasant and don’t want that to happen again.
I am biased towards leaning left, I’ll give you that… but so are many.
Off topic but… If I wanted to get involved within legitimate political debate to further my debating/argumentative skills… how would I go about this without actually going into politics
You don’t actually understand enough to know whether you agree with their ideologies or not, and even seem to know this at some level.
I’m not even going to touch the steroid bullshit, other than to say that just because you might kind of have a blurry guess at something there doesn’t mean you have any idea or credibility here. That thing might as well be one big run on sentence that leads no where. The dots from point A are no closer to conclusion Z than where you began.
I’m not trying to trash you here. I’m trying to give you a heads up. If you want to be taken seriously scientifically, academically, intellectually or really any other way, you need to cut the word barf and virtue signaling and bring some provable conclusions clearly and succinctly.
Once again, an insinuation that I’ve never been punched before or that I’m so naieve I’d get myself killed… this isn’t the case regardless of what you may think. I don’t appreciate these jokes. I’ve been to enough bars (and dive bars) to know when I need to keep my mouth shut
Thank you for this reccomendation though, I’ll look into it. I’m going into biomedicine, I assume I can take a different course on the side?
I have more than a “blurry” understanding regarding PED’s and pharmaceuticals (more than just AAS and Rec drugs). There are many on here and in real life who will vouch for that. You can think what you want, you can refuse to adknowledge that I have any kind of knowledge base regarding any subtopic… you can think I’m an idiot, people are bound to make individualistic judgements of others… you don’t like me, I’m not you’re cup of tea and thus I’m fine with that. But you’re right, having understanding within one field doesn’t equate to adequate levels of understanding in another. A mathematician can’t perform open heart surgery…
Sure, the discussion of politics is somewhat out of my comfort zone, just as discussing the pharmacokinetics/systemic effects of medication may be out of yours. I’m attempting to engrain myself within political discussion in order to further expand upon my ideologies, understand others better and fully form my own developed opinions. I respect constructive criticism but I don’t appreciate an outright attack on my character… you’re response here I perceive to be a combination of both.
The arguement (I’ve gotten this a few times) “you’re responses are too long”… I don’t buy that at all, my responses will be as long as they need to be… people may tune out, but I like to express my opinions in depth.
You’re pretty defensive about that. Not joking though. People do talk about politics in bars. It can and does hurt sometimes.
Good. Send that to the nearest University Hospital then. Let me know their response.
Until it says MD after your name and you have about 10 years of practice under your belt, I don’t care how smart you think you are about the subject.
You’d have to check with a course counselor on that. I only have a glancing understanding of the US higher education system. I was too busy with the course work to look at the rule book.
(ended up on the deans list for my mechanical engineering major through the welding program? Wtf?)
I actually have had an MD read a little paper I wrote… his response was that I was a very knowledgeable, intelligent young man who would fair well in the medical field. I was sixteen at the time.
I’ve had conversations with other doctors, all of whom adknowledge that my base of knowledge is far advanced above my peers and certain students in med school. What you’re telling me here regarding the requirement for the degree of educational attainment (which I agree is important) is that without said degree I can’t be smart.
Clearly Quentin Tarintino isn’t smart either given he dropped out of high school, never achieved a college degree
I don’t think I’m a genius, nor do I think I’m incredibly smart… I do believe I have a decent knowledge base in relation to medicine though… more than a “blurry picture”.
I don’t understand what a deans list is… are you telling me you were penalised for… entering a course?
Should note I’m defensive about this because I can’t always decipher (online) whether people are making a playful joke or being a dick. In you’re case I think you were being playful, not facetious.
I would never talk about politics or any sensitive subject in a bar. Drunk people are too disinhibited and prone to getting violent
I was in Europe and a discussion devolved into politics (so… yes… this happened once) and the guy says to me “see that girl” (the girl being a family member of mine)
“Don’t let her go home with him”
Points to an African American
The guy then goes on a rant about how he’s a white supremacist, starts spewing racist garbage, tells me I’m dark but it’s fine because I’m Australian (no, I’m of Sephardic Jewish heritage…) I start getting very angry, I know I’m drunk and thus probably prone to making bad decisions so I get up and walk away (walk is a funny word… I stumbled away.)
No politics in bars…
Regardless, I’m going to do a TON of research into politics now the same way I did with medicine. Will continue talking here but eventually come back with well thought out, coherent arguements and fully formed opinions
I understand enough to know that I vehemently disagree with the ideologies preached by Australian conservatives. However the policies put in place, what is considered “conservative” in Australia vs America seem to differ… For instance, you won’t see many conservative Australians stating gun ownership should be a right etc
Conservatism here has to do more with economic conservatism, societal/social conservatism (adhering to traditional values… of which still culturally differ to those harboured by most Americans) etc. The more “far right” parties cater towards climate change denial, protectionalism, economic populism etc.
American conservatism appears to be more related to
gun control
adhering to traditional values and ideologies
fiscal conservatism (like lower tax rates)
opposition of government interference (be it tax increase, gun control, policy changes and regulation… but this appears to go out the window regarding abortion, same sex marriage etc… so perhaps religion and government interference overlap at some point? Though perhaps they’d prefer stage governments approach this, given Ben Shapiro’s statement “don’t want gay marriage to be illegal” because he doesn’t want government interference.
So from a very simplistic viewpoint (mine) American conservatives like keeping things the way they are (to me this means… stalling societal progression). American progressives like to societally/economically adapt as the times roll on, going with the flow and altering policies to adhere with the beliefs harboured by new demographics (the majority). I can see how this would be a problem if say… extremist beliefs became the norm, otherwise it is of my uneducated opinion that conservatism holds back societal progression on the basis that people tend to be scared of change, even when said changes are probably for the better. Though I think it’s a balance, perhaps we need the conservatives to hold us back if perhaps an imposed change is too radical?
I should state when I say progression, I’m referring to that of progression stemming from a liberal viewpoint… if the changes societally imposed were say “gay marriage is illegal again” it’s seen as progression from a conservative viewpoint… though from my ideology this would be regression we are going back to law that was priorly reinstated and found to stigmatise a certain minority demographic… politics are complicated… it’s a catch 22. So regression from a progressive standpoint is progression from a conservative standpoint… I’m going to get stuck in a loop dammit
The one branch of conservatism I somewhat tend to agree with at times is libertarianism (even then I prefer left leaning libertarianism)
I’ll vote for the liberal democrats here, or put them in as one of my prime preferences (we have more than two parties running at any given election)… they’re considered right wing as they’re fiscally conservative, adhere to libertarian values and economic liberalism. So certain branches of conservative ideology (within AUSTRALIA) I’m not totally against… but they’re against the retarded level of regulation/nanny state madness Australia has currently engrained itself within
Can’t bring myself to support the greens considering they seem to be legitimately Anti-Semitic
) Oh that one would hurt badly.