This is what I see when I google, and it’s not clear cut, which makes a lot more sense to me, and should to you too as a man of science.
I quoted someone else, just because I’m tired of spitting into the wind on my own.
James Baker knew as well as anyone how “experts” can be…influenced…
Which is why Baker counseled GWB against it. But I repeat, gentleman C un-accomplished dumber son, wants to out-do Dad…
Are you saying they lied because they understated the European Intelligence’s somewhat ambivalence, over whether lraq had wmd or what?
The jury seems a bit mixed on the various programs that might have been operational.
I was referring specifically to American casualties, and said so. You can expand that to coalition forces if you like.
I was not referring to civilian casualties or opposition forces, since the discussion was in context of Americans dead. However, I see that I did not label my comment as pertaining to “coalition forces”.
I got the totals wrong. Official coalition forces dead were ~25,000. Americans killed ~4.5 k with ~33,000 wounded.
AmericanLivesMatter. Apt for 2020.
I’m had my fill, these “discussions” never get anywhere. Out.
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They lied because none of their kids would be risking their lives fighting to make them richer.
I hear you - like that saying of War is place where old men send young men to die.
But l thought you might have some deeper analysis you were going to share.
Of course, follow the money.
And I believe you’ve lost your mind to think that the actions of the President have had no effect on how that virus has had its day. He’s failed in almost every way possible and has often done the exact opposite of what we needed a leader to do.
Like I said many on the right treat it like “well what can you do.” Well we could (and still can) have done a lot differently but we have a leader who is incompetent. And frankly hasn’t once seemed to care that his words and actions have major consequences.
But as I said I think comparing the two is largely fruitless. Both are colossal fuckups. I’m not here to defend the Iraq War or anything pretty sure I have tons of posts talking about how stupid it all was.
The difference is we don’t get to have any idea of how things would be right now in regards to Covid in the USA if we didn’t have the worst person possible to oversee this. So we can say “meh it’s a virus what could he have done” if we want and be fine with that. It’s not like we can definitely prove anything. I’m fairly confident in my position of doing pretty much the opposite of Trump in this (with few exceptions) would have us in a far better spot.
We needed a leader and as we have covered here before no one would confuse Trump for a real leader.
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This is such a strange statement. “I need a leader to do what I want him to do.” Is the President hired help, or is he your leader? If he’s the leader, maybe it would help not to have the mini-Mussolinis throughout the country undermining him.
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Well, that was like 2012, forgive my faulty memory. I just remember some idiot vomiting statistics and measurements about the poisons removed meaning that Obama’s move was perfect and all Obama said is he would ‘change his calculus’. Knowing full well, he meant military action, since he already had the military ready. Anyway, moving on…
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Just to keep some perspective here, since the Iraq War became a talking point we seem to forget that the situation with Iraq was not a stable one. War had been a foregone conclusion since even the Clinton years. Saddam was a maniac who violated every single UN resolution and condition of surrender from the first war. He was an unstable element who was causing loads of problems and a large sponsor of terror.
Whether or not the Iraq War was justified for the reasons given on 2003, it was likely that somewhere within a 5 year period, a war with Iraq was indeed coming.
The prosecution of the post-war (meaning post major conflict resulting in the toppling of the government) was pretty horrible. Nation building has proven to be a bad idea for certain. As were the inability to protest Iraq’s borders. However, I digress…
I am just pointing out, it wasn’t so cut and dry back at the turn of the century. There were big problems with Iraq.
Knowing the people involved, I don’t think there is much depth.
The New England Journal of Medicine just published a editorial signed by ALL its editors calling for Trump to be voted out. They don’t endorse Biden, but they call for a change.
I have never, in my life, seen something like that from a major scientific-medical journal.
“Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment… When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.”
In other news, Scientific American endorsed a political candidate (Biden) for the first time in its nearly 200 year history. That’s not as shocking to me because it is not a research journal, but it is still surprising.
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You can’t make this shit up! I’m sure the perpetrators are very fine people.
Clearly, gotta be Antifa or BLM. No way right wing militia are a threat, no matter what the FBI says.
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No one came to arrest me, and I don’t know who those 6 named people are.
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Yeah the FBI is part of the deep blue state.
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Also in the news - when Trump went to Walter Reed for a “routine” treatment last year, he locked up treating staff with NDAs. Why?
Why would the treating staff sign it? They have no obligation to sign something like that.