IMO, you are getting these responses because you sound like a Trump apologist. He is careful enough to keep his comments as only suggestive, and not blatant. They can be defended individually. IMO, if I had an acquaintance that said as many suggestively racist things, I would conclude that they were racist, or that they are very stupid, or both. It is subjective.
Nah, I knew it wasn’t a response to me. I don’t have an issue with responding to others not in dialog with me as this is a forum.
“They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
Again, I think this statement has implications (about Mexican immigrants) when we look at this in the context of his previous statements. If I had an acquaintance say shit like this, I would assume that they hold racist views. If we don’t agree that is okay. It is a character judgement on a person, and we don’t all have to agree.
Iraq was a mistake. Bush listened to the majority of experts he had around them and they were wrong.
Trump didn’t listen to the overwhelming majority of experts. He downplayed the virus, downplayed preventative measures that would have likely saved tons of lives, pushed conspiracy theories at every turn.
The only real difference is you can point to Iraq and say “Bush owns the cost and loss of life” if you would like. Doing that with Covid isn’t quite as clean an argument as we know a cost and loss of life would have happened under anyone.
But are people really arguing that Trump hasnt spectacularly failed at almost every aspect of Covid? How many lives saved and dollars saved with a competent President during this crisis? It’s baffling that the right basically views Coronavirus as a “well what can you do huh?” We can/could have done a lot. But Trump fought against medical experts at every turn and continues to downplay the virus and belittle preventative measures.
He had a spectacular opportunity to bring the nation together against a common opponent. He had a chance to talk about how serious
The total cost and loss of life is going to be exponentially higher than Iraq. The mistakes he has made are absolutely huge. I think it would be hard to argue that his response (with very few exceptions) hasn’t been a massive failure. Any other modern president would have done much better. But Trump was doomed because he can’t help but lie and refuses to actually listen to anyone but himself. He doesn’t even know how to attempt to unite people even over something as simple as a virus.
But I think the comparison doesn’t serve much of a purpose to really go back and forth on. Neither issue is made better or worse in analyzing them using a different issue for comparison.
Stay classy, folks. I know it’s just a digital recreation of the guy, but this video still makes me almost-glad that he’s no longer around. Very convincing and powerful-I’m powerfully convinced that it would have been a good thing had the shooter gotten this kid’s parents.
He literally had a tee-ball up for his public image. This is the one thing everyone agrees on–the virus is gonna kill people. All he had to do was not what he did. And we’re not talking about his response policywise here–theres plenty of debate and like I said nobody has the secret code to ultimate virus response. But if he had done these small things even without a wholesale physical change in response policies the optics would have been much better for him (sice that’s all he cares about). It would be a non-issue for the election.
I agree with you and admit I can’t currently show causation that systematic racism causes different outcomes in stuff like rent, banking, and lending for AAs. I was trying to highlight that it is possible that there is some impact (emphasis on possible). I don’t think it would be correct to assert those things as being caused by systematic racism, but I also think they are reasonable enough that to deny any systematic racism should be questioned.
Agree. And similar to above, I am not asserting that they would be in the same position as Native Americans in GoP controlled states, just a possibility. Trying to show that blaming the Democrats for a difference in outcome is hard to justify when we don’t have a good handle on what would happen given the other option.
Yes, those people are that stupid. No matter what he said, it’s not loud enough, definitive enough, said in the manner in which they demand enough. So they keep asking it because it supports their narrative. He should just open with “I denounce white supremacy in all it’s forms.” every time he speaks. And then they will say that his being racist by saying it all the time.
No matter what he says, they bash him. If it’s up, they say down. If it’s right, they say left.
The derangement about is so strong, that I don’t know what these people will do when he is gone. This one person is an all consuming presence for them from when they rise to when they sleep and they probably dream about him too. It’s just unreal to me.
Putin wasn’t a problem until the DNC tried to accuse Trump of collusion. Then it was a big deal. Up until that point, nobody had been bigger apologists for Russia and the former USSR than the DNC.
Literally no one cared about Putin. Hell, Obama negotiated a way for them to enter Syria militarily and stay there indefinitely, because he drew a ‘red line’ he wasn’t willing to enforce. Putin offered to bail him out and Obama took it. And that move saved Assad’s ass and did not stop Syria from using chemical weapons on their own people. It was a great move. /sarcasm.
Listening to consensus is a sure fire recipe for failure. James Baker counseled him not to do it; as the man who basically ran the gov’t for Bush Sr., little did Baker know that it was like waving a red flag in front of GWB.
With the benefit of hindsight, that whole staged made for TV scene with the “Mission Accomplished” banner is sickening.
I love GWB for his dodging the shoe bit though.
Like I said, and adamantly believe, you guys have lost your minds comparing some beneficial “oversight” at best response to a virus that WILL have it’s day regardless, to a blundering mass wave invasion of a foreign country, a quagmire in which the US is still mired. Absolutely bonkers.
Check the death rates. Note the clustering wrt age group. Draconian to say, but there is nothing particularly notable about DA COVID with respect to how it affects humans. Spreadability? Sure. Aside from that? Pffft.
This is obvious. I know many people that have returned from war. I seriously doubt there will be anyone that survives* after receiving a COVID diagnosis.
Good post. I think we are at least mostly on the same page here.
And he was pretty much resoundingly criticized for it on here. Not the mention other places. It was a big deal then and Russia remains a big deal now, though not as much as China.
Nobody said covid was worse than war. It was said that Trump’s blundering mess was a worse - and far less genuine - mistake than Bush’s in terms of American lives.
I am pretty sure I was the only one criticizing it here. But I was told I was wrong because Russia removed thousands of pounds of Sarin. So it was a good thing… Except it was the biggest mistake of his presidency. It shorted power in the middle east whose repercussions will be felt for decades, not to mention the big stack of dead bodies. Obama is a war criminal for that move alone.
Objectively it might be true, at least as far as American lives. The war officially cost about 48,000 lives in Iraq (going from Wiki for ease of use). It’s very plausible that’s the cost of Trump’s posturing and mis-steps and then some.
I didn’t say it was a certainty. But it IS a plausible argument to make.
