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You are right. If the Democrats had not shit the bed so completely on procedure, he would not only have been impeacheced but would have been subject to sentencing.

But since it was just one big dick sucking contest led by Schiff so that Pelosi could have her hero moment nothing was admisable for consideration in sentencing.

It was farcical political drama like the cheezy soap operas it temporarily displaced. Because the Dems fucked it up from the word go, literally.

They actually decided to shit can the whole proceeding so that they didn’t interfere with the debate schedule.

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So Mitch Mcconell staying “I will not be impartial” isn’t a sham… sure, it’s all the democrats fault

We can agree to disagree regarding this, that’s fine. It was a violation of constitutional oath in my opinion

Could you explain how they shit the bed exactly. The prospect of an impeachable offence rose, it was trialed in the house and passed… the trial moved onto senate, though the documents were withheld because Mcconell refused to state he would be impartial, also stated he wanted to “end the trial ASAP”… whilst the documents were being withheld more and more evidence came to light, evidence of with nessecitated the need for witnesses

Regardless of whether the dems had waited a few weeks longer to initiate trial… for an adequate senate trial witnesses would’ve been required, people like John Bolton could’ve testified. For those who say “he’s a liar”… well testifying involves being under oath… lying under oath can lead to some massive penalties

We had videographic evidence “get rid of her”… we had transcripts, documents that the trump administration initially refused to hand over (obstruction) and more… what more did we need

The dems didn’t do anything that was deemed illegal/unconstitutional, in my opinion the Trump Administration certainly did

Given I no longer live in America and given my harboured political ideologies… I’d think I’m probably a democrat, or perhaps independent

Many of my ideologies are left leaning (criminal justice reform, LGBT rights, abortion, gun control etc)

But aside from this, societal policing (extensive political correctness) tends to irritate me, it seems many nowdays can’t take a joke. Regulations for fucking everything relating to a citizens own decisions irritate me (in all of Aus you’ll incur a huge fine if you ride a bicycle without a helmet etc)… you need a permit to have a large picnic in NSW… these types of things, I don’t feel as if we need the government to interfere with EVERYTHING…

Perhaps I’d be classified as independent, yet left leaning. The political spectrum is fluid, very few are “100% right” or “100% left”

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The subpoenas. No one can be compelled By Congress to appear before congress. They must be found to be in violation of the subpoena, then court ordered by a judge.

By disregarding that crucial step, the dems fucked it up from the very beginning. Literally.

That is the end of it.

Everything after that was just cotton candy for the blue team cheer squad, and you fell for it.

You should be more pissed at the dems than anybody.

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John Bolton stated be would testify if subpoenaed… the republican senate refused to allow it under the obvious pretense that he clearly had information that would damage to prospect of Trump getting let off

Furthermore one of the justice department lawyers stated the house IS liable to impeach the president over ignored subpoenas

Fairly sure trump was also subpoenad to turn in his tax returns, though said subpoenas were defied… and yes, subpoenas can be issued for one to turn in tax returns.

How so, are you stating they should’ve subpoenad Trump? Granted I’m not well versed within law, I’ll get my brother/ other’s who have been to law school to weigh in here. If trump can defy a subpoena for like… literally anything it’s not as if he’d have testified, he would’ve found a way to squirm out

It’s not about a blue team cheer squad, regardless of candidate competency, there are political ideologies harboured by each political party… I’d never transfer to red territory because I simply don’t hold or find the same values/ideologies harboured by republicans to be correct or important

Not to say I don’t respect those who harbour differing ideologies. I assume you’re a republican and I respect the hell out of you (given what you’ve managed to overcome). But I haven’t fallen for anything. What you or I perceive to be misconduct will differ, I don’t think the democrats have done anything particularly wrong… I do think however they could’ve postponed the trial, waited for more evidence to come up… but in my opinion the level of evidence was already adequate to start a trial.

With the trial ongoing more evidence became more likely to turn up, the more we have people talking about a certain issue, the more info/people coming forward we have (like how people started coming out en mass after allegations were made over Weinsteins conduct)

Had the trial not been initiated it’s somewhat possible John Bolton wouldn’t have come forward etc

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Voluntarily. He was also very high risk, AND ONCE AGAIN, THE TIME FOR HIM TO TESTIFY HAD PASSED. BECAUSE PROCEDURE.

He could also have Trojan horsed their asses like Sondland.

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Nope. Actually middle of the road, a little to the left, a little to the right.

Prior to the democratic party becoming a celebrate diversity enforcement squad I would be solidly Democrat with a grimy blue collar. Having been a tree cutter, laborer and welder/fabricator my entire adult life, it’s only Very Recently that I’ve been mistaken for anything else.

And what have I “managed to overcome”?

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You’ve priorly mentioned you’ve managed to overcome addiction, been involved with violence/unsavoury characters and events… You’re life in high school was difficult etc. I imagined you’re tone becoming aggressive within this message. I wasn’t trying to be facetious or insult you, I was trying to say… many don’t come out the other end alive, they don’t get better, they don’t change. You aren’t one of those people, and now you help those in need (I recall you said you’re a sponsor?)

That’s admirable

If I may ask… being an independent. Say Bernie Sanders comes in as the democratic nominee. Would you

  • Vote for Trump
  • abstain
  • Vote for Bernie

Who’s you’re favourite democratic candidate?

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Sometimes it’s difficult to tell if a person is being respectful or rolling out a laundry list of perceived inadequacies. I’ve run into both a few times.

Thanks though. It’s interesting if you think about it. No one ever says “Wow! Look at that Grand Canyon. It took a lot of doing, but it finally wrangled all that water into the bottom!”.

These life things, they’re the water. They shape you. You might be pretty fucking hard, but you will change.

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I’ve been a policeman for 11 years. I know how these things work.

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Fair enough, but police aren’t well versed regarding how the law actually works… They know what to arrest people for…

Otherwise the routine strip searches to meet quota in NSW wouldn’t be occurring

When it comes to specifics within criminal code, a lawyer will be the most well versed

anyone on here a lawyer?

Wait… I do believe in Aus police can prosecute cases within the magistrates court… for minor cases… such as minor drug possession, and only particular officers can do this

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Unfortunately, Bootygig.

He stands very little chance. Very smart. Good clear presentation of some smart policy so far.

Too smart for his own good, not willing to just barf up offers to buy votes in exchange for tax dollars. Didn’t use DARPA to invent the internet.

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Pete Buttiegig is also my brothers preferred/favorite candidate… that and Bloomberg (both based on Isreal policy). I’m getting him involved here tomorrow, he likes to weigh in on these types of debates. Perhaps he will create an account, though I’d prefer he didn’t because we don’t see eye to eye on a lot of things. I reckon we’d argue quite a bit

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We’re not well versed in how the law actually works… ? Oh boy. Wrong again.

Look kid I can appreciate your enthusiasm and passion about these things but you’d be wise to not overstep your bounds. We have to take hundreds of hours of law classes including case law. You’re just wrong.

What do you think probable cause is actually based on ? It’s knowing the law(s).

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I’m referring to Australia based on my common knowledge, I don’t believe Australian police have to take law classes totalling 100’s of hours. Though I know high ranking police can prosecute a case within the magistrates court if revolving around misdemeanors/low level cases. But to state being a cop allows you to have the same degree of legal competency comparative to say a lawyer is simply untrue

I’m not well versed on probable cause, but I assume it refers to the belief someone has committed a crime within reasonable doubt.

When I said “if he’s innocent, he should submit a DNA sample” I was referring to… he’s been court ordered to provide the sample, if he’s truly innocent, he should abide rather than defy a subpoena or find a way to stall the case (exactly what he did)

I’ll be honest, I don’t like cops, so perhaps I’m biased… almost being arrested for having a very, very small amount of cannabis on me for personal use was probably the last straw regarding any semblance of respect I had. Did they not have anything better to do? It was clear I was just some stoned kid minding my own business

But honestly, vested personal agendas probably shouldn’t get in the way of me putting together a rational, coherent argument @marine77 so within that retrospect I apologise

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And here’s Bloomberg marching into the Lexus dealership to give that manager a piece of his mind!

Because Damn it, he spent a lot of money on those motherfuckers and we need to…

This guy. He just did a triple Lindy onto an empire state building sized dildo.

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Yes, I don’t like Bloomberg, anyone who supports stop and frisk irritates me (he’s now come out against it… but as a prior republican I believe he changed his views to support that of his party, not his own ideology)

I recall when he was the mayor of NY, people were being arrested, frisked for pot possession… he said “I used it in the 60s… and I enjoyed it… but regulations/laws should stay the way they are”… little bit hypocritical no?

Should state regarding politics… I’m NOT an expert, nor am I even particularly well versed (unlike say… medicine wherein I have a moderate base of knowledge, but still far less than that of say a doctor)… just in case anyone thinks “Dunning Kruger effect”… not the case

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  1. I get stopped and run for warrants literally all the time. I just have “that look”. I give zero fucks about other people’s complaints. Some people are ugly. Some look stupid. I look like a felon.

Chicks dig it.

He was a duly elected official that represented a constituency.

Not really fair to have him be the only one holding the bag when He Was Elected 3 Consecutive Times.

The people of New York share that bag.

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Fair enough, but if you’re going to ENFORCE penalties for certain activities, don’t turn around and say “but I did it too… and enjoyed it… now i’m a billionaire”… there was no repercussion, but for whatever reason others should be arrested for it? Doesn’t add up

Whilst this may have been one of his policies, it doesn’t equate to universal support. Even though he was reelected, it could very well mean they found the benefits garnered from numerous other policies to outweigh the negatives brought in from others

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“And I bought half of congress.”. :joy:

There is nothing more American than taking advantage of something then slamming the door shut behind you.

It’s how we turn political straw into gold.

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I can’t actually read the article, requires a fee/subscription.

I think the president should represent the values and ideologies harboured by the average American… being a billionaire, getting anything and everything you want doesn’t entirely represent this…

What he is doing regarding his advertisement campaign is respectable. Stating he will continue to fund the democratic campaign regardless of whether he is made the nominee or not… but I don’t want him as president