The Push to 2020 Has Begun!

Your age is irrelevant to the discussion imo but kudos for wanting to involve yourself in political conversations. Some would dismiss you because you’re not old enough but that doesn’t make sense to me. I don’t have better answers or opinions than you simply because I’m older. I think I started posting here around your age although I don’t think this was the first username I had.

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Gacy and Bundy had excellent reputations.

One fundamental flaw you have demonstrated post after post is that in the US we have the presumption of innocence.

This means that one does not have to prove their own innocence, but that it is incumbent upon the accuser or prosecution to prove guilt. It is absolutely axiomatic in our system of justice.

What this does, really, is renders your last 20 or so posts on this subject entirely void except for the fact that you are expressing an opinion, because your entire premise is completely flawed.

Weinstein simply exposes the willingness of many to remain silent when they likely knew of and possibly covered for his behavior while they shriek about Trump’s ALLEGED behavior.

Ok. Care to address the rest of the post? I don’t believe I ever said you had to talk like a dickhead to be one.

Edit: apologies you did why I was posting.

Wasn’t Weinstein’s behavior alleged as well? Isn’t his trial still ongoing or has it wrapped up?

Don’t all truths start as allegations in our system?

I think you want it to be true regarding Trump because of your hatred of him. I never want rape accusations to be true because of how awful a crime it is. If im wrong say so.

Of course it was up until he was convicted via evidence and testimony. Again, my point regarding Weinstein is the gross double standards the liberal elites employ.

If a judge or jury can present evidence against Trump… Let’s see it.

I would bet half my life savings trump has raped and assaulted multiple women. I would bet the other half that pence has done nothing of the kind.

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Not in the least bit. Why would I want women to be sexually abused or raped?

Trumps an awful scumbag regardless of this. His guilt or innocence wouldn’t change my opinion of that. He’s done/said enough horrible things for me to have that opinion even if he had zero allegations.

But I would never want a woman to have something horrible happen to her in any circumstance.

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To have a double standard means they were rightly outraged 50% of the time. Which also means that the right has been rightly outraged 0% of the time.

Pence doesn’t just play for the other team, he swings for the fences. In a leather thong. Like the kind of stuff Frank Zappa wrote songs about.

I dunno why I have that as an opinion of him. I just do.

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We’re talking Trump and Weinstein. You’re not going to say with a straight face the “outrage” and accusations were close to being equal. C’mon man… Lots of big names very likely covered for the guy and Hollywood is dominated by liberals. The same liberals that went all in on the TDS train.

And now all the big names on the right are covering for trump.

Let’s not forget EVERYONE covered for Weinstein.

Which means liberal elites in Hollywood are 1/2 on calling out serial abusers. GOP elites in Hollywood and LA business are 0/2.

Also Trumps money has been covering for him for quite a while. I don’t see what Weinstein has to do with it. Fuck anyone who covers for a rapist/abuser their political orientation is irrelevant.

He comes off as uptight and having a huge stick up his ass. Or dick. It might be a buttplug.

A lot of people who are diehard anti-gay get caught with little boys frequently. Pence would just be another statistic.

Yeah. I think that’s it for me. It’s a “The lady doth protest too much” thing.

And that lady has protested quite vociferously.

It’s his own underwear.

Not the pair he’s wearing either.

It’s innocent until proven guilty… but during the impeachment trial it appeared to be innocent even when proven guilty

I’d go into more depth but I’ve got possibly the worst case of the flu I’ve ever had… very disorientated lol… my lymph nodes hurt

We had the transcripts of the call, we had videographic evidence… but we had intimidation tactics (ie Fox News indicating any republican voting agains would have his/her “head on a spike”…), the blocking of witnesses… a trial without any witnesses or impartial jurors… a defence of “its illegal, but not impeachable, he’s the president”… he names the whistleblower through twitter etc

Then post impeachment, he starts retaliating against anyone who spoke out against him, admits to his wrongdoing after vehemently denying sending Giuliani to Ukraine during the trial

I dont believe it was innocent until proven guilty here… the trial was a sham

How so? If you’re court ordered to submit a sample, you’re innocent… you submit the sample… not try squirm out of it… all this sample entails is a mouth swab… not so difficult.

It’s not cowardice, I dislike his policies regarding immigration, “tough on misdemeanours/crime” policy, gun control, climate change and more… it’s not just his demeanour that I dislike. And that’s fine, had he not been the megalomaniac that he is I still would’ve abstained ( if I could’ve voted in the 2016 election )… I didn’t like Hillary either

Donald trump has recently been outwardly praising Rodrigo Duterte’s policies… I think he fails to realise just how many people have died under the reign of this sociopathic madman…

I put my age in given that the poster I was arguing with stated “if some bitch accuses you of rape when you were 18”… referring to an event that had happened a while ago. I felt in neseccary to point out such an accusation (for me) would be very serious, I was eighteen merely a few months ago

I should get my brother (twin) in on this, regarding politics he is one of the most intelligent people I know. Leaps and bounds above that of most adults. He’s going into law school about a week from now

Disagreed. There are political figures of whom I bear far more disdain toward than Trump… Mitch Mcconell (Cocaine Mitch) I hate just as much as I do Trump… but with Trump, it’s his character, prior quotes that have come out of his mouth… and the fact that twenty three women have come forward… to say “why would they come forward just now”… it’s only right around now that the response to such an accusation isn’t overtly hostile. I’m inclined to believe within reasonable doubt that these accusations have validity given the characteristics of the accused

Pulling the troops out of Syria pissed me off the most… the resultant massacre of civilians (of which everyone knew would happen) was on his hands