I’ll try one more time. Can anyone name the white supremacist groups or individuals you find most concerning?
What actions have they taken in the last few years that concern you the most?
Do you feel the attention drawn to perceived white supremacy has been a net benefit for America in the last 10 years?
Trump supporters. Trump.
Disagreed with me.
It depends on how this year’s election turns out.
What would be the nefarious activities of the right wingers?
Traveling to the largest cities in the US for months, inciting locals through some underground communications, burning/looting/destroying goverment, commercial or private property, attacking LEOs, private security, and law abiding citizens with intent to injure/kill, having their politicians call for refusal to accept elections with widespread violence?
Nothing to see here
How can I name any if they don’t exist?
One last time, @twojarslave…
Case closed. Thank goodness a scourge has been eliminated.
There are none.
I liken the Right to poor, defenseless Homesteaders surrounded by God-less, blood-thirsty savages.
You miss the point (again and again).
Trump cultists insist that Antifa and BLM are incredibly dangerous, about to destroy America, so prevalent and dangerous that the election is crucial to saving us from this threat.
The people in charge of protecting against domestic terrorism (DHS) do not have Antifa or BLM at the top of the list of threats.
That’s the point.
Meaning, your “Marxist around every corner” hysteria - and I mean hysteria - is nothing but hysteria.
Yes, you definitely made a great point against the strawman position that nobody on this board has advanced. Antifa and BLM are not to the “taking over America” stage. You and Mufasa have successfully argued against that position, held by no poster here. Antifa and BLM are merely at the “using violence to successfully influence policy in major metro areas” stage.
You seem to take some form of solace that the white supremacists, who nobody seems to be able to name or point out their actions, are mentioned as a top threat in someone’s second-hand account of an un-published draft document at the DHS. I don’t place a lot of significance on that because I know of no white supremacists groups conducting any kind of organized violence, let alone getting white supremacist policy a seat at the discussion table and enacted.
But yes, hats off to you and @mufasa for blowing the straw man position out of the water. If I ever gave the impression that I was concerned with Antifa activists literally taking over the country at this moment, let me now be clear that I don’t believe that to be happening. I do find their activities highly relevant to this election, for reasons I’ve explained thoroughly here.
I assume you must also find the narrative of white supremacy in the USA equally hysterical. If not, why not?
Agree on the scale concerned with the threat assessment. However, my analysis differs somewhat from yours - I find it significant that each of the last two drafts moved to significantly alter text and include antifa et al. on a more level footing.
In addition,
I don’t particularly buy this. First I think on an ideological level antifa can potentially meet the definition of Hostile Domestic Groups (or whatever the assessment used to classify, I can’t recall). Quite easily actually - they’ve already shown a willingness to use violence to further their goals.
Second I think the defining difference thus far is the level of central organization between the two. In that sense WS groups seem to be ahead currently, but a) doesn’t guarantee that antifa won’t organize significantly more and b) decentralized groups using Twitter/social media to travel and organize targets are no less dangerous and I would argue potentially moreso. Social media has forever changed the arena.
I also think it is highly likely that antifa will eventually organize much better and I do not want them to develop. One can argue this is a long-term thing and thus they don’t present as much threat at the current time, but I’m not 100% convinced by this. Organization is not a prerequisite for action - not even effective action - and it seems they are much more welcoming of open violence.
It doesn’t…and no one.
The story is being collaborated and confirmed (as of this morning…Google it…) by that bastion of Liberal Bias, FOX news.
“In a lengthy Twitter thread; correspondent Jennifer Griffin of FOX News said she had confirmed Trump disparaged veterans; didn’t want to honor the dead at the Aisne-Marne Cemetery; and did not want to lower flags after the death of John McCain”.
“Fox didn’t proudly hold up Griffin’s reporting. Instead, it acted as if it were ashamed and inconvenienced by it”.
And the expected:
"In a late-night Friday tweet, Trump attacked Griffin and claimed her reporting had been “refuted by many witnesses.” The President then went further, saying, “Jennifer Griffin should be fired for this kind of reporting.” He added that he believed Fox News is “gone.”
Don’t worry…she will be.
And as @H_factor said…it all won’t make a damn bit or difference.
C’est 'la vie…
I have spent over an hour looking at FBI, DHS, and just googling for data concerning rw violence.
Anyone able to provide data or something other than threat prognostication?
There are literally links saying almost the identical assessment dated 2009 during guess who’s presidential beginning.
What defines a terror group if it isn’t trying to produce terror? Like burning apartment buildings with people in them. Trying to cement police into buildings so they can be burned alive. Burning and looting businesses. If a RW group did that, you sure as shit would call them a terrorist organization.
How much violence does it take to be considered “large scale”? Over 100 nights of rioting in cities across the country isn’t “large scale”? Again, if it were RW groups doing this you absolutely would consider it to be “large scale”.
We are reading posts about how a vote for Biden is going to lead to rioters and anarchists torching city after city. And it’s literally Trump’s campaign pitch. Not a straw man.
I’ll quote the most recent post on it, from Pat:
Civil war, man.
White supremacy? Yes. But that’s different than systemic racism, etc. - amd being concerned about the latter isn’t a hysterical position.
I’m not talking about my definition - I was talking about the US government’s. There is no designation for domestic terrorist groups - which is why when Trump said he was going to designate Antifa as one, everyone knew it was bunk.
I believe Antifa would consider itself a terrorist organization in the tradition of the Red Brigades.
It all starts with disaffected upper middle class kids to whom their parents weren’t paying enough attention and ends up with an abusive Georgian bank robber who regularly kicked his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach because he didn’t want the child.
Was that the 14 year old girlfriend?
Yes. All of them were young.
What examples of systemic racism do you find most concerning?
What is the uncrossed threshold where you would find civil war to be an appropriate term to describe our situation? If you find it hyperbolic now, when would it no longer be so?
Cops only shoot black people, all whites are rich, Count Chocula.
After 2016?
I don’t believe any Poll that includes Trump.
That is all.