The Push to 2020 Has Begun!

& @Legalsteel

The two party system does have pluses and minuses.

You are stuck with a lesser of 2 evils, particularly when flotsam is both choices.
But there is less chance of disruption from disintegrating coalitions which require all new governments to be begun.

I see Trump and GOP as bulwarks against runaway leftism.

I would prefer a centrist party that would allow Libs a place that isn’t AOC. Would still vote right of that personally, but l would never expect H to vote there. He might vote centrist however.

Also hate debt grrrrrrrrrrrr

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I would vote centrist if it existed. I have voted Republican many times in the past especially at the state level where I often vote for moderate Republicans as we are a Republican state and we have had a big problem running right wing lunatics lately.

You’d think we would have learned our lesson after the absolute failure of pure “conservatism” that was Sam Brownback.

I can’t see supporting Trump in any way. He’s an absolute maniac and it’s a shame the GOP didn’t primary him in any significant way. It says a lot about the flaws in our system that you can be that idiotic and unhinged and still may get four more years because we insist on making everything a 1 on 1 fight.

I consider myself left of center. I think we have a lot of issues with big government but do not want to see a lot of social services slashed like we did in Kansas. Those things hurt real people and if they are being done so wealthy individuals don’t pay as many taxes it’s even worse. I work with poor families and children in the worst situations every day. We do not need to slash healthcare, education, etc. we can reform them but the mentality of everyone just pulling themselves up by the bootstraps is stupid and heartless. I have kids who have never even had “boots” to pull themselves up by.

And yet we have a system that during a pandemic the wealth of many of the already wealthiest people in America will drastically rise. The idea that these are the people who if they are taxed less will magically hire more people at higher rates just defies decades of research. While high enough tax rates could be stifling the idea that tax cuts create jobs in a net positive way always has been debunked.

All the things Republicans haven’t touched for the last four years they will immediately fight against once they aren’t in power. Dems are the same way of course.

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This is the kind of policy thing that scares me.

Yeah it’s the Guardian, but it’s accurate. Time was when we were leading the primary voting block on the security council, not getting almost all the members to criticize us. We dropped out of the agreement 2 years ago…

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Half of the speakers at the GOP convention are…Trump family members. I wonder which conservative stalwart got booted to make a spot for…Tiffany? Hilarious.

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Fucking terrible.

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It will be interesting to see and hear the tightrope Nikki Haley and Tim Scott Walk.

(@thunderbolt23…there have to be more “heavy-hitters” speaking than this, I would hope…)

(Oh…my bad, @thunderbolt23…they spoke at the Democratic Convention…)

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Which is something that never should have been a possibility. It has to be a first. Not the fact that ANY GoP person spoke at the DNC, but the number. Not to mention the 70+ letter cosigners…

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Well historically Biden has been much closer to what Republicans have wanted for the last 20 years than Trump so them coming out for him makes sense in that regard.

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Not disagreeing, but all Trump had to do was fake it a little bit.

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I’ve been thinking about this…a lot.

I think a lot of Republicans were willing to “overlook” a lot with Trump…even after racking up Primary victories and even after Romney’s scathing anti-Trump speech…(I can’t recall; was that after his primary victory, or after he had won the Presidency? I’m not sure of the timeline…I’ll have to look it up…)

I think the McCain fiasco began putting many on the path to disavowing Trump.

Thoughts?

July, 2015- Trump’s “I like people who aren’t captured” speech.

March 3, 2016- Romney’s Anti-Trump Speech.

Which is all the more amazing because he has done such a great job of faking being a Conservative.

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I’m not sure. I will say that very early on in primaries I didn’t think he would be as MUCH of a train wreck as he has been, even though I was on record against him from the start. But I also didn’t think he’d get the nomination.

Laughs aside, I don’t think it really is. His ego can’t handle anyone else having public credit for anything or being out of the limelight for even a bit. I didn’t think early on he could put the old “egomaniac politician” stereotype into hyperdrive.

Then you have this via Trump twitter:

"The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics”

“Obviously, they are hoping to delay the answer until after November 3rd. Must focus on speed, and saving lives!”

Of course, this is the fastest vaccine development IN HISTORY by at least a factor of 3. It’s on full afterburners. And, you know, he nominated the guy he accused of running the FDA “deep state plot”.

November 3rd was a pipe dream from the first, and the only person who suggested it was feasible Trump, also via Twitter I think. Everyone with a fucking brain in the industry was like “no dude, that’s not even close to possible”

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Just posted about this in the other thread. Trump appointed the head of the FDA!

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Trump seems to forget that all these conspiracy theories emanate from agencies that report to him and if they were actually doing something wrong, he could stop it.

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And if they are doing anything shady, it would reflect on him. Trump has always tried to keep himself distant from the businesses that operate under his name. Take Trump University; he didn’t have any direct involvement in that.

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In support of the point I was making about Sander’s not being that influential:

Bernie Bros are feeling more of a slight itch than an actual burn these days.

No one sees Biden as Bernie’s puppet. AOC and company don’t have the influence within the party, or Congress, or the country, to be anyone’s puppet master.

I would even argue that Bernie being associated with The Squad hurt him more than helped him because they bring that identity politics agenda which turns people off.

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