Only if you have an easily influenced conscience . Be like Conan lol.
If by impressive you mean absolutely positively depressing, then yes I agree…
Your name is well deserved lol
Honestly, it should be. If you saw the guy, but declined to pursue because of the dangerous environment, and then you saw him later I would think that absolutely satisfies probable cause. I’m no lawyer but if you saw a guy throw a cocktail and then saw the same guy later I’m sure that’s at least probable cause.
I fully understand that officers don’t have unlimited rope to to run after someone, but my reading of the situation is that if you make a positive ID in a hostile environment, you should be able to detain the guy later.
Admittedly I’m not a lawyer so I’m out of my depth, bit that certainly seems to satisfy the “probable” in probable cause.
One of the fun parts about the antifa rioters is that they pretty much all are dressed in black and have masks on. So unless there is a very apparent unique identifying feature (remember they are trying to make an ID in the midst of a riot with gas, smoke, etc), it makes it nearly impossible to make a positive ID and reach probably cause when they see a person dressed in black with a mask on later that night 5 blocks away. .
And when the DHS officers refuse to identify themselves by name or number (due to doxxing issues) it makes it near impossible to sue anyone for infringing on your rights. All you can say is, “it was a couple dudes in camo with masks on in an unmarked van that randomly grabbed me and threw me in. They said they were DHS…”.
To be fair, Lightfoot and Trump have reached an agreement on some federal help in Chicago. Maybe having 14 more of your citizens shot up while attending a funeral opens one up a bit.
I mean, people wearing the same colors doesn’t exactly mean the end of using descriptions. Skull cap. Purple long-board. Brown book bag with a red anarchy sticker next to a sickle and hammer patch. With a purple nose ring, and pink hair sticking out from under the cap. They’re trained for goodness sake. And have been dealing with these people. They know to look for anything more unique than “black mask, pale, skinny, and androgynous looking.” That’s describes most all of them. And yeah, most of the time they probably do let it go because they didn’t have something to use as an identifier. You wouldn’t hear about those cases because of the very fact that they didn’t act. How many arrests vs how many of these scum throwing projectiles and incendiaries night after night?
It would, where I’m familiar with the way things work. Edit: Of course, you’d probably be better off identifying and merely detaining while obtaining a warrant. The situation, in this case, could’ve still presented too much danger to just have someone detain the guy in place while an officer went to swear out the warrant.
I wonder if DHS brought their best and brightest to Portland, or they brought the scrubs that can’t get hours due to the borders being closed? Legit question.
Being a cop during these riots must take a lot, and goodness knows these hipsters will do everything they can to bait the feds into doing something stupid and illegal.
In specific situations, agreed. The issue here though are the feds wandering into the street to engage in “crowd control”, general policing, or running individuals down - which they don’t have the authority to do - and then claiming “uh, our justification is we saw these guys throw rocks at the courthouse earlier.”
That’s virtually unlimited jurisdiction. And we know it’s a problem because, as we have seen even in this thread, Righties think the feds should have that unlimited jurisdiction and step in because local police won’t. The feds don’t have authority to do that (absent certain circumstances, like being invited to help).
I don’t think anyone has accused them of general policing. They aren’t serving drug related search warrants or making stops for traffic violations. They push back rioters then fall back into a courthouse that people are actively trying to suffocate and burn them in. They’ve made a number of arrests from tracking individuals. They wear numbers for identification. They have insignia.
Does anyone have evidence these men are the stormtroopers being described.l? Why is the burden on us?
Some suspected rioters complained they didn’t have the agents’ names (to dox them and their families) and that they wore camo? They have insignia and identifying numbers. Theses men are under siege on our behalf protecting our, the people’s, property. All without having even unintentionally killing one of these raving lunatics trying to burn them alive. We can’t even wait for solid evidence against? Or, any? The presser makes a damn persuasive case that these men are acting within the law and with amazing professionalism for the hell they go through night after night.
And, from my reading Lightfoot and Trump did end up coming to an agreement about federal agents. For now. I have seen where Trump acknowledged that they need local invitation for federal agents to assist these city departments. He’s already said as much.
Yep. All these SM posts get poured through by the law firms hired to sue the PDs. The good news is that they actually use common sense and dont use the videos that start just after a protestor provocation, just before the police lash out. It never ceases to amaze me the damning stuff that people feel compelled to post on their SM accounts. SMH. Darwinism?
Its 100% understandable. Its just a shitty situation because there is no recourse for citizens who have their rights stomped on by those agents because the only description of who did it will be “a DHS agent in camo grabbed me in an unmarked rental van”. Cops wear name tags/badge numbers so that they can be held accountable. DHS agents don’t and because they cannot be identified, they cannot be held accountable and i think that is a problem when they are treading the fine line between suppressing a riot, and beating angry but peaceful protestors.
I think you’d have a hard time finding one peaceful protester. First off, you don’t peacefully protest at night when there is no one around to actually see you protest. We all know they are there to commit crimes.
Yeah, maybe they just roll out the camo’d DHS agents at night when the rioting starts… but peaceful protests have been happening daily as well. And peaceful means yelling and screaming 5’ from the cops, and calling them all sorts of colorful names. Takes a lot of restraint, and im not convinced that out of state DHS bros that likely have a preconceived notion of what PDX protestors are like, and dont live in the same communities as them wont just haul off and whoop their asses for saying something mean.
Basically, i think DHS is much better equipped to handle out-and-out rioters, than they are any kind of peaceful protest, or borderline peaceful protest. The portland PD has thus far seemingly done a great job treading the fine line… But i dont think DHS care that much or truly feel they will be held individually accountable for any actions that go too far.
Bingo. The peaceful protestors aren’t up at the front of a line next to people carrying shields, cudgels, incendiaries at 1:00 am trying to tear down fences. The peaceful protestors are at home or have at least moved away from where terrorists are now setting fires to a building with people inside. Any peaceful person at that point is knowingly playing propaganda piece/human shield. Or, their common sense has entirely fled. At this point nobody is showing up at the time of the night, when these conflicts go down night after night, reasonably expecting peace. No.
One thing that has crossed my mind, is that if an unmarked person in camo in an unmarked van tried to grab me and take me away, I would have a possibility as a larger than average man of attacking that man. Now would that be considered attacking an officer, even though there seems to be threat against you, and you have no way of knowing if that person is a thug or an officer. What if an officer gets killed by someone defending themselves? Seems like a self defense claim would be reasonable.
. Be like Conan lol.