If instead of Antifa it was white supremacists, who would be complaining? The only reason people are upset is because Antifa somehow managed to get connected to BLM, in spite of its racist elements. That, and Trump. The laws have to apply to everyone, including vegans, meth addicts, the homeless, the mentally ill and those with green or blue hair.
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- DESIGNATION.—The Secretary may des-ignate employees of the Department of Home-land Security, including employees trans-ferred to the Department from the Office ofthe Federal Protective Service of the GeneralServices Administration pursuant to theHomeland Security Act of 2002, as officers andagents for duty in connection with the protec-tion of property owned or occupied by the Fed-eral Government and persons on the property,including duty in areas outside the property tothe extent necessary to protect the propertyand persons on the property.(2) POWERS.—While engaged in the perform-ance of official duties, an officer or agent des-ignated under this subsection may—(A) enforce Federal laws and regulationsfor the protection of persons and property;(B) carry firearms;(C) make arrests without a warrant forany offense against the United States com-mitted in the presence of the officer or agentor for any felony cognizable under the lawsof the United States if the officer or agenthas reasonable grounds to believe that theperson to be arrested has committed or iscommitting a felony;(D) serve warrants and subpoenas issuedunder the authority of the United States;(E) conduct investigations, on and off theproperty in question, of offenses that mayhave been committed against propertyowned or occupied by the Federal Govern-ment or persons on the property; and(F) carry out such other activities for thepromotion of homeland security as the Sec-retary may prescribe.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title40/pdf/USCODE-2011-title40-subtitleI-chap13-sec1315.pdf
So we can all read for ourselves.
Me too - and they may find no wrongdoing. But IGs don’t pursue investigations when everything was done correctly so what’s the big deal, as has been insisted repeatedly here. They do so when there is a question of impropriety.
Nope, I’ll gladly accept the findings of their independent judgment, which may be no law was broken. But my point is to rebut your idea that everything was obviously done by the book and any criticism is just partisanship - IGs don’t investigate when it appears that is the case.
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Yup, and quite clearly, their jurisdiction is limited to violations of federal law. That’s confusing for anyone who just wants to see Marxist scum get the business end of a billy club and some tear gas, but that pesky rule of law protected even British soldiers in times of the American Revolution, and they protect Marxist scum now.
The Constitution and rule of law aren’t disposable, much to the chagrin of our new proto-authoritarians.
So if Federal agents see an individual attack federal personnel or property and they attempt to track said individual personally, or through a shared description, until he’s in a safer position (more alone instead of right in the middle of the riot), that isn’t within their jurisdiction? Sure reads like it to me. Do you agree that would be? If not, we may as well turn off the lights and hand over the keys to the mob. Forever siege until they’re finally burned out of our federal courthouse and themselves set on fire isn’t an answer.
Yep, assuming they have adequate info. Do you know of anyone who thinks it’s not under the statute?
EDIT: and by adequate info, I mwan enough to support probable cause.
Just asking, because this is exactly what they say in the video above.
Furthermore, officers protecting the property may “conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of offenses that may have been committed against property owned or occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property.”
The sense of isolated protesters getting picked off the streets on the videos arises from the tactics of the federal officers, in keeping with this provision. When they identify someone who, say, may have attacked an agent, they don’t immediately wade into the crowd to go arrest him.
“That’s dangerous for our law enforcement officers, it is dangerous for those individuals as well,” acting DHS secretary Chad Wolf explained at a DHS press conference on Tuesday. Instead, they try to track the suspect until he’s separated from rioters.
“The video starts one or two blocks after a foot pursuit where the officers in question had approached an individual who appeared to match the description of someone who had assaulted two federal officers about an hour beforehand. So it wasn’t a day ago, it was an hour before. And [they] identified themselves as federal agents verbally. And of course they’re wearing the same uniforms they’ve been wearing for weeks with . . . Department of Homeland Security indicia on both shoulders and ‘police’ on front and back, and the guy took off running.”
“So they ran after him,” he continues, “and he stopped running. Ironically, he ran to the courthouse, and at that point they caught up with him, detained him.”
These aren’t rogue arrests, but are made in keeping with all relevant procedures. “The U.S. Attorney’s office is consulted on every engagement that our officers are doing,” explained Kris Cline, the principal deputy director of the Federal Protective Service (FPS) at the same press conference. “The U.S. Attorney’s office is also at our roll call every evening to make sure that officers and agents are aware of the use of force, rules of engagement, authority, jurisdiction. They spend a lot of time on that.”
The Portland DHS Operation Is Legal and Proportionate
If a Federal Courthouse has been under siege, for how long now, how come you all are so damn quick to believe these detainments/arrests aren’t related to those attacks upon the very same courthouse and themselves? Doesn’t it stand to reason?
There are presently people trying to not only burn the building down around them, but to flat out main and/or kill them. And it’s hard to believe they might not be actively tracking and picking individuals up?
Heh, of course they say that. Here’s the problem with that - if someone is crossing a fence and trying to throw a Molotov cocktail at a federal courthouse, they have cause to prevent the act and arrest. They want to sit and wait and follow the guy and approach him later? Is that enough to satisfy probable cause? Some dude that did something or was about to do something but they didn’t arrest him in the moment and decided to wait? And later, when he’s not doing anything in violation of federal law, they’re acting on him on a claim that he broke federal law earlier?
That’s hilarious. That’s a pretext to go after people beyond the domain of the federal courthouse they are protecting by claiming “we saw all these people breaking federal law earlier - we have open ended authority to act on all these people as a result.”
But probable cause doesn’t work that way. The burden lies with the officer - they don’t have unlimited to rope to run people down, arrest, follow and detain, etc. on a justification of “uh, I totally saw them to do something earlier!”.
These citizens, much as you loathe them, still have rights. You know?
A Molotov cocktail you say…Thunder, there is literally a violent mob at that very second trying to kill them…
Law enforcement doesn’t track? Law enforcement doesn’t plan where to make an arrest later based on safety? Or, use description to detain?
You still the man. Later Thunder.
You’re exaggerating. Just stop. This isn’t happening. If it we’re, more people would be dead. It’s bad enough - there’s no need to fictionalize what’s happening.
Sure they can - but it isn’t open ended. They still have to satisfy probable cause. And the longer the time that passes, the less convincing it is. And the more it’s done, the more it looks like a pretext to just go after people outside of the narrow jurisdiction of the charge to protect federal property.
Glad you’re back, chief. Talk again soon.
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If damn near everyone in the vicinity could be described as “suspect is an angsty, skinny-fat white man/woman depending on the day in their early 20s with dyed hair and dressed in black”, how the hell are they accurately going to track a suspect? lol.
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What? Police have arrested people years after committing a crime. I didn’t know the statute of limitations was a few hours when it came to arson and assault.
One day?
It’s reverse racial profiling, whitey needs a taste of his own medicine.
Oh, the Marxists actually believe things like that.
I mean it is basically the opposite end of the spectrum from “suspect is s black male 18-35, 5;8” to 6’4" wearing bags pants and a t shirt".
Yep - and before they could act on them they had to satisfy probable cause.
“Your honor, we decided to grab the white guy in a hoodie and a mask - we’re pretty sure he looked like he wanted to throw a rock at the federal courthouse yesterday.”