Well, then, you’ll live in a state of perpetual distress because you’ve defined Marxism as everything that is “vaguely liberal”.
Is wanting a higher marginal tax rate evidence of Marxism? According to you, why yes. So, prepare to always be alarmed. Normal political conversations are going to be dreadfully worrisome for you.
“Marxists, Marxists - everywhere!”
(Side note, anyone want to talk policy like normal people? That’s what used to make politics and PWI fun.)
Uhhh…
I’ve always been in this camp.
I’m not the one dodging it!
And yes, as we dive into policy I think you can draw a lot of lines back to Marxist ways of thinking. It’ll be fun. Let’s do it guys.
I’ll re-issue the challenge. Let’s hear the case FOR Biden, that isn’t the already extensively-covered case AGAINST Trump.
This is all nice and flowery but has absolutely nothing to do with what we were talking about. In fact it has nothing to do with anything I’ve said ever in this thread (unless I don’t remember something since the thread is huge). I’m not sure who you’re arguing against in your last 30 or so posts but it isn’t anyone on here.
It appears you will be connecting all ideas to it. For instance criticism or evaluation of the current President will labeled as Marxist thinking. And criticism of evaluation of the current President will be what it really is…support for Marxism.
What if I say the national debt is a problem but the President has said it doesn’t matter because we can print more money and he’s a good negotiator if we default. If I disagree with that am I fiscally conservative? A fiscally conservative Marxist? Just trying to get my terms right!
Relax. You guys are going to enjoy this. I’m sure I’ll provide plenty of easy cannon fodder for you as I argue a difficult point to make. Do you guys really just want an anti-Trump circle jerk or nobody to come along and call BLM out on open Marxism?
I think it is a great discussion to have, and everyone’s bad reactions to the introduction the correct term makes me even more convinced. I’ve not used it up until recently because, well, I really do believe in the assumption of good faith.
I’m not sure what you’re looking for here when we’ve already told you by far the best case for Biden is that he’s not his opponent. The case for Biden as President is pretty flimsy. Might have been stronger 15 years ago but now he’s pretty damn old and probably a few steps down mentally at best. And even at his peak he had issues of putting his foot in his mouth over and over.
The case for Biden when his opponent is Trump becomes much stronger. Strong enough that even conservatives on here have said they are going to vote for him. It’s weird how you have numerous posts talking about how you couldn’t support Clinton but now you’re insistent that no one talks about why they would be against Trump. When the binary choice of many back then was I just can’t vote Clinton was good enough now it’s not?
Hell Biden right now probably loses to Obama, Mitt Romney 12, John McCain 08, possibly even Bush 04. But Biden isn’t running against those people. So when the right leaning people on this board say they are voting for Biden because of Trump it doesn’t make much sense to me for you to say “ok then…well make a case for Biden but leave Trump out of it.”
It’s like everyone is telling you I’m voting for Biden because Trumps awful and you’re saying ok…well you already said Trumps awful now I need you to explain why you’re voting for Biden but don’t say Trumps awful.
Okay. That’s a start of sorts. Let’s press on.
Which policies of Joe Biden or the DNC do you find yourself most supportive of?
Can you explain why?
Biden? This election is not about Biden. I’ve yet to meet someone passionate about Biden. The other democrats in the mix earlier feel the same way. The election is about a referendum against Trump, plain and simple. Make no mistake about it, this will carry the day.
I’m not completely familiar with everything he proposes. He’s probably needed to tack further left on some things than he really is to secure the nomination but that’s pretty common in Presidential races. Seems like his career has largely been center left and he was the Vice President for someone who wasn’t extreme (although painted as one).
I’m sure he has policy positions I would be against as everyone does. Some things I would probably need to see the details of before I decided. What one can be for vs what can be done is a world of difference anyways. I don’t believe his opponent really has concrete policy positions or values and people on here have even said they like that he doesn’t have any plans.
I don’t know what we get with Biden but we may be able to accurately predict something’s based on his career. Trumps positions, policies, thoughts change like the weather with few exceptions. All of the sudden he’s for masks. Or he never said Mexico would pay for the wall or something. He wants to give out more money than the Dems for Coronavirus. Those aren’t “policies” or positions. That’s a dude who wakes up each day and decides what he stands for at that moment.
Again most of the reasons I would support Biden aren’t centered around policy but the fact that he isn’t Trump. And I bet that rings true for the vast majority of people in the US.
To me 95% of the reason people want Biden is he isn’t Trump. It’s really that simple. I’m sure he has some lifelong fans he’s always been fairly popular and he was VP of a popular Dem President. But make no mistake about it if he wins I don’t think it’s as much we gotta have Joe as much as we gotta have not Donald.
I understand why many will see it this way.
Imagine for a moment that some people may be concerned about the recent political capitulation to the violent mobs. Imagine some might be concerned about the policy that has suddenly taken hold that is so extreme, it could have just as easily been a KKK policy as a BLM policy.
It is on their website. They won. The ball is rolling in cities across the USA.
I find myself very concerned with what a brain-dead Joe Biden’s signature means. Is that signature backing the general good intentions of upper middle class white liberals who feel bad about black people, or is it backing BLM and the intolerant extremes getting shit done in the streets?
I reflect on Trump’s presidency, flawed as it has been, and conclude that nothing remotely resembling Hitler 2.0 has come to pass, as the entire Marxist propaganda machine has warned us of for years now. Nor have any double-digit numbers of white supremacists stepped out of the shadows to act, even in the face of Trump’s emboldening of this extreme faction for years on end, day after day.
I’ll take another four years of bad tweets and good, questionable or even stagnant policy. Right now is the time to draw the line on woke. How woke is too woke? has just been answered. For me at least. These policies are not things you can un-do by a pen-stroke.
You could have saved a lot of words and just said you can’t or won’t argue for a single one of his policies or the those of the DNC. It is totally fine if they aren’t important to you at all. That’s your right as a voter to select the information you feel is most important, and exclude the information you don’t feel is worthwhile.
Just own it, don’t explain it away in a vague essay that avoids his policy positions.
I took a class for teaching last year in which we were required to list our privileges. There was no debating if white privilege exists or privilege in general exists. They were to be accepted as fact. What counts as a privilege? A father not being in prison. Your parents helping you with your homework. In other words, we are being told to view what should be normal as being a privilege. This is what they are teaching to teachers so that they can teach it to kids.
Then you have the police defunding which is happening. Who made that an issue? Not inner city residents who, according to studies, actually want more police. It was the middle class BLM members who put that out there.
No I’m being serious. I don’t know everything he proposes. Do you? Do you know everything Trump ran on in 2016? Every single position he had? Even the ones that changed every day?
You say you don’t watch the news and get your stuff from here and you know everything Biden has ever proposed without looking? That’s insane if you have that type of memory.
I said best as I can tell Biden has a history of being a center left candidate and was the VP for a president who’s record was center left (could be debatable but I never saw him as a Muslim Kenyan socialist.
Some, yes, off the top of my head. C’mon here. I just linked a 25 second video above that clearly illustrated a dramatic and radical policy position held in total agreement among the Democratic presidential candidate field.
An explanation of Joe Biden’s policy can be found on his website, in case you didn’t know where to look.
I don’t. I’m prepared to argue against almost the entirety of it as a matter of theory and principle, because so much of it begins with the baseless assumption that government will somehow be able to produce these promised outcomes under the leadership of Joe Biden.
That’s just as absurd as expecting my state government to operate reasonably and keep the roads in non-hazardous conditions. It just isn’t going to happen.
I can argue it at a much better level than that, but let’s hear you make your case.
I’ll do this quick as I really need to do a few work things and stop procrastinating in here. Only going to do a few and could come back later maybe.
Abolish death penalty—Completely agree.
End cash bail—Completely agree.
Cocaine sentencing disparities (he wants to end the disparities it says). Not 100% sure the details but it on just face value I would agree.
Mandatory minimum sentences (he wants to end). I agree.
Private prisons (he wants to end)—Agree.
Raise federal minimum wage—Agree. Increase it, but incrementally and wait until we have recovered from this shit.
Paid family and sick leave—Would need to see the details. Not sure if this is for all jobs or what.
Study reparations—Disagree
Against for profit charter schools—Would need to see the details but probably agree depending on what was meant by “against”.
Two years free college—would need to see details. Would not be against paying for every HS graduate to explore a trade or certificate or further education.
Student debt—Agree it needs to be reformed. Could be part of 11.
Boost teacher pay—Would need to see details. I support more funding for education on the whole.
Unlimited spending should not be allowed in politics—Completely agree.
Support developing new nuclear technologies—Agree
I like it. Good start! Seriously!
I’m done for today too. Last day of WFH, hopefully anyway. Back to the office tomorrow, get back to normal, then a long vacation is due.
Under normal times, I would agree. But with Trump in power, I am willing to cast an ant-vote without consideration of these issues. While not at all ideal, this is where I fine myself.
Are you prepared to make the argument that the national debt doesn’t matter because we print money? That defaulting one it is no big deal? That the national debt will be eradicated in 8 years under Trump? That healthcare for all at a cheaper rate happens under Trump?
Are the promised outcomes under the leadership of Donald Trump worthy of being debated or not?
I realize hammering him may be much tougher as his promised outcomes are all over the place and often at odds with other promised outcomes he made? Trying to figure out what he wants to do or will do is virtually impossible making the debate surrounding how does Biden plan to do that much easier.
Sure, make your case. Explain yourself and your position, let’s go from there.
And by that, I mean I will relentlessly and perhaps sometimes unfairly connect your ideas back to Marxism.
Mwa ha ha!
I believe this is where most Americans find themselves. It helps that Biden’s history is essentially center-left on the whole. He’s been in politics a long time and it’s hard to paint that history as a far left guy.