This happened before Trump and extends fully down ticket as in voting for Beto against Cruz, ridiculing GOP at every turn, and believing her against Kavanaugh.
Those are 3 easy examples off the very top of my head. None are anyway conservative.
But l sure he can answer why.
This is the bizarre part to me, and what I mean by…
More often than not I’m clearly acknowledging or even agreeing with the criticism as legitimate. We only differ in the conclusions we draw. I try to explain this as best as I’m able, but I often find myself being called supportive of Trump immediately after I’ve shared the criticism, simply because I’m failing to assume nefarious intent on his part or whatever other hysterical feelings may be part of the sentiment I don’t agree with.
It seems to me like a rather strange discussion where anything short of declaring you’d vote for Biden is seen as supporting all of the worst things Trump has ever said or done. God forbid you actually agree with a statement he makes or policy he endorses, because then you’re failing to assume that he’s a rotten sonofabitch who wants to fuck us all over somehow.
This would be a less unusual discussion if not for the behavior of the Democrats over the last decade plus, and especially since the Hillary loss.
I just can’t get under the big tent of shitty and hateful policy ideas. If someone wants to take a stab at making a case for Biden that isn’t simply a case against Trump, I’m all ears. That would be an interesting read.
The best case for Biden is that he isn’t Trump. If the choice is binary it’s obvious. And this isn’t just me stating it you have numerous typically right leaning people on this board who have said the same thing.
Principled Republicans oppose him as well. It’s not that they are dying to have Biden in its that they realize this experiment with Trump needs to end.
Lmao at make an argument for voting against the only person with a shot to beat him that isn’t talking about how awful his opponent is.
LOL.
You aren’t even going to attempt to answer the question, are you?
A hallmark of Marxist thought is only having the ability to criticize, not construct. Monuments, ideas, institutions, people, statements, it’s all the same. Criticizing is the easy work.
Ok - so? I know a million Democrats and liberals, I don’t know a single BLM member. They aren’t influencing policy a fraction of what the reactionaries are saying they are - they’re just the latest boogeyman. Their impact is (intentionally) overstated. I have no love for the BLM orgnaizaftion, but I have a better idea - why not discuss people and players that matter?
Ah well, I’m reminded why I haven’t taken you seriously.
There’s plenty to unpack there, but once unpacked, you’d have to concede Trump’s performance has made worse and in some cases caused the issues I raised (DOJ corruption, obviously). Trump flunked the pandemic and the economic stimulus, and the public is grading him fairly as a result.
It’s huge news, all of it - you just can’t be bothered with it, apparently.
Imagine what we have been being warned about, and still are, for that matter, came true. The white supremacists stepped out of the shadows to act, emboldened by Trump. Major riots took place in cities across the US, people died, and many mayors immediately caved to the demands of the violent mob and implemented the radical policy being advanced by the KKK.
Imagine the KKK wanted to, I don’t know, defund the police in black neighborhoods.
Imagine that scenario for a moment, and not the reality we’re experiencing, and then imagine you just wrote these words.
“Ok - so? I know a million Republicans and conservatives, I don’t know a single white supremacist. They aren’t influencing policy a fraction of what the reactionaries are saying they are - they’re just the latest boogyemen. Their impact is (intentionally) overstated. I have no love for the KKK, but I have a better idea - why not discuss people and players that matter?”
I don’t know about you, but I would be insisting that these elements be purged, IMMEDIATELY. These hateful ideas have no place anywhere, and that should be obvious to everyone.
Yet somehow, it is not…
For fucks sake everyone just became a Marxist to you. Aren’t you the dude who talked about good faith? I’m a Marxist for thinking Trumps an idiot apparently. Just jump the shark completely.
Jesus dude. Do you think Trumps long term putrid numbers are because of how attractive Biden is as a candidate? He was disliked long before Biden even ran.
You’ve got me though. I completely agree that Biden as a candidate is probably not exciting most of the public. But you know what excites a lot of the public? Someone else being President.
Do you think the right leaning people on this board who have said they won’t vote for Trump are doing so because they have a myriad of reasons to support Biden? Or is it because they have a myriad of reasons to support Trumps opponent?
I’m just using the proper term for the same observations I’ve been making for some time now. If you don’t want to be called a duck, don’t walk like a duck or quack like a duck.
In this case, explaining the merits of the ideas you are voting for would be a way to set yourself apart from the flock.
Dude, H is in no way a Marxist. Not even close to it.
Is this a serious question? Social democrats wants more government involvement to make capitalism promote more humane social ends (as they define them). That ain’t Marxism - it’s liberal, but it ain’t Marxism. They don’t call for the dismantling of private enterprise or disintegration of the institutions that protect the capital class.
My God, man - you say “Marxist” as every other word. Maybe you should understand what the term means and doesn’t mean before repeating it like a parrot?
Apparently, “Marxist” now means “everyone who espouses a liberal idea” (both modern liberal and classical liberal).
Neither was I, but I was still managed to buy into a lot of their line of thinking. Especially the easy part about being critical of power structures and the people who occupy them.
Therein lies the problem that’s coming to fruition right now, at a speed I find very alarming. Again, imagine this level of extremism existed in the Republican party somehow. The white supremacist example I gave is helpful.
Marxism is effective not because it makes a lot of true believer Marxists. It is effective because it doesn’t need to, as we’re seeing right now. Today. In the USA, all across the country. Tear it all down. The brands, the statues, the institutions, the police departments.
This is textbook Marxist revolutionary behavior, right down to our American Red Guard, now deployed across social media, the internet and your neighborhood. Choose your words well!
You got me dude. I’m not voting for Trump and therefore a Marxist. Have a good one then.
Congrats and welcome, comrade. Apparently being worried about creeping authoritarianism in the executive branch and degradation of rule of law (once standard conservative tenets) qualify us as Marxists.
I’m not clear on what comes next, though - are we supposed to wear berets, or what? I’m cool with the big beard.
Agreed 100%, but one real substantive area to get (more) excited over Biden is foreign policy. He’s just simply better.
Barring some unexpected departure in behavior from the DNC and their activists allies, I believe it will be a question voters will need to consider come November. I’ve put up with being called a white supremacist racist for having the audacity to be a conservative. Liberals can deal with accusations of Marxism and hopefully reflect on how much it is manifesting in policy and rhetoric.
Nobody wanted to play in my white supremacist thought experiment. I’ll try one more time, see if there’s any takers.
Hold that scenario in your head for a moment. What sort of actions would you expect from the Republican party at that point? Cities on fire, dangerous extreme policies implemented, police in Black neighborhoods successfully defunded by city council vote and in practice by total police demoralization.
Would you yell “FIRE” about that scenario, and demand that Republicans clean house? I know I would.
If not, why not?
If so, do you think about the level of Marxist influence in today’s Democrats any differently?
Ideologically, I haven’t - I’ve said for years I’m an independent and of course you know I didn’t vote for Obama. That said, the GOP only gets my support when it earns it based on their advancement of goals I like, and there hasn’t been any such since 2016 (and it goes back before that).
But, if you look closer, I didn’t “switch” nearly as much as the GOP simply stoppes caring about the things I care about. Look at the complete shit show on rule of law and executive overreach. Obama was bad - and we all called him out on it - Trump is infinitely worse, but it’s ignored. I didn’t change - the GOP did.
But that overstates it. I’m not a Republican (even though I’ve voted GOP at times in the past) and I certainly am not going to pull the lever in a national election for the GOP any time soon. They’ve put the country at great risk enabling the worst president in our history for four years.*
*I don’t say that as a naked insult - I read quite a bit on presidents. There’s no president ever who has combined ineptitude and inability to do this job with the kind of corruption and lack of interest in the public good that Trump has. That’s a fact.
Try and keep up. None of this matters. A President who downplayed a virus during a pandemic, argued against his own medical professionals, who shit on setting an example for public health, etc none of that matters. Inflammatory words to POW’s, soldiers, etc doesn’t matter. A history of using or threatening to use his power to harm people who live in different states isn’t important. Repeated calls for violence against Americans doesn’t matter. A relentless assault on a free press doesn’t matter. An incredible amount of lies many of them demonstrably so doesn’t matter.
If these things concern you enough to vote for a flawed candidate and not the current President means you must support all sorts of awful things even if you’ve stated you don’t. Even if his political opponent has stated he doesn’t. The words and actions of the actual guy in charge aren’t important. I don’t believe they ever have been. These people were arguing that those things didn’t matter long before they could say everyone who opposes him is a Marxist.
It’s not like they weren’t completely downplaying, ignoring, or calling people foolish for caring what the President did a year ago. Now they have a new catchphrase. If you’re against him you’re definitely for all that. What’s odd is the wannabe law and order guy doesn’t know or care to read about laws and has a history of being on the wrong side of them.
Also, just to be clear, my arguments are not changing. I’m saying the same stuff I have for years, at least since I’ve been chiming in on politics on this website. For the record, you can find some of my Marxist arguments from decades past if you go hunting around certain left-wing websites that used to maintain a forum format like this…
My vocabulary is undergoing an adjustment, which some of you have noticed. This tactic should be familiar to leftists. I’m also re-claiming the word “Liberal”, because Classical Liberalism and equal protection under the law IS what we must unite over. It is the only thing we can unite over. It is such a good idea, I’ll go to war for it even in my advanced age.
It is easy to argue that Marxism is not a force in the Democratic party when you avoid any and all discussion of policy, and pretend that the good intentions of upper-middle class white women somehow provides the substance of what the Democrats are actually about in terms of policy objectives and outcomes in their jurisdictions.
Here’s the problem with your analogy - BLM has, at its core, something good - wanting to rid the world of discrimination against blacks and especially police brutality against blacks (which we know is an issue). They are completely wrong in how they want to do it, but the goal they advance is good.
The KKK has no such goal. There’s no kernel of a good motive.
Apples, oranges. Attack BLM all you want on the means, but the end isn’t a bad thing. So BLM gets a chance to be heard. The KKK? Nope.