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Kanye is in the race. That just changes everything for me.
I don’t think it works like that.
Well, given that they have been clearly rowing together in the same direction for many decades now, at what point does that become a fair criticism to you? These institutions have been working together to promote Marxism for decades, and the results in front of us are plain to see. There no longer any room for plausible deniability. Stupid is the new smart, it is trending upwards and up is also the new down.
I know you’re not too hot about Trump’s reaction to all of this, but let me ask you something.
What do you think a unifying conservative President would look like in this term? Do you imagine anyone from the 2016 field would not be called “racist”, “white supremacist”, “sexist”, “rapist”, and every other slur in the book? Of course not. Trump just gave the people who paint their opponents that way a little more fodder with his twitter account. These are people who will lie to smear children on a national stage, of course they will do it to an elected president.
There’s no such thing as unity when you’re dealing with Marxists. They only know how to criticize and destroy, not build and create. The only real path to unity involves the Democrats not only denouncing Marxism from their ranks, but purging it. Ideally, it would be as tucked away as whatever white supremacist elements are actually present in the Republican party. It’s fine if white supremacists want to vote for lower taxes and strong borders too, but no white supremacist policy is tolerated by the voter base. I can live with a dog whistle, a rhetorical lapse or a bad choice of words as long as the outcome is equal protection under the law enshrined in policy.
Want unity? That’s unity. There is no unity with Marxists shaping not only the rhetoric, but the policy of Democrats. In their estimation, there’s only woke allies and obstacles to progress that must be removed however possible. This is why the New York Times is now open with their activism and propaganda. We’re rapidly approaching an either/or world, and Cancel Culture is coming for you if you don’t get on board.
I don’t see an ideological cleansing of the Democratic party happening any time soon. Time to call a spade a spade and encourage people to get on the right side of history. It is no longer deniable that the Democrats now embrace Marxism much more than Liberalism. They are, after all, incompatible ideas, and Marxism has clearly been winning that battle. The long slow march continues, and we still haven’t found out how woke is too woke.
I don’t particularly want to find that out.
The good news is, of course, that ideas are all that should be necessary. These people are not only phenomenally stupid, but none of the ideas can hold up to even basic levels of scrutiny. Nor can the narratives or premises upon which they hang their hat. There’s no sound policy to argue, nothing but anger and feelings of righteousness, which is why they run like cockroaches from anything resembling a policy debate with anything resembling a competent Liberal. Facts and good ideas are the antidote to this.
This is intriguing to me. I’m curious to see what sort of ideas Kanye brings to the discussion table. I just hope I don’t have to listen to any of his music.
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To be honest not at all. I mean by some sure but on the whole not really. The thing is a lot of your terms fit Trump at least in the perception of evidence. Trump has years of actions and words that can be considered racist. Almost a shocking amount. Now we could debate whether he actually is or not but you can’t say the same thing about most of the 2016 field. Your evidence from them is far less numerous. White supremacist same thing. You got Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller as your pals people are going to wonder.
Rapist I disagree. How many of the 2016 field have around 30 women alleging sexual assault? How many have a video saying you don’t wait to grab women by the pussy? How many talk about wanting to hook up with their daughter? How many have pictures with Epstein? How many have cheated on every wife they have had and paid off porn stars?
That “fodder” simply isn’t there for most of the 2016 field. As for “unifying” how many of the 2016 field do you think would tweet a video that says white power during racial unrest? How many would tweet when the looting starts the shooting starts? How many would regularly threaten violence against their political opponents? How many would defy the CDC during a pandemic? How many would threaten states with withholding federal funding because they disagree? I could go on for a long time but our time is limited and the examples for Trump are virtually unlimited. How many of the 2016 in the various crises that happen during a Presidency would have almost 0 speeches that could be considered we’re in this together and we will get through it?
I’d be hard pressed to say anyone that the GOP has in 2016 could be worse than Trump in terms of calling for unity. And this doesn’t have anything to do with the pandemic or racial unrest. He hasn’t been able to do it since he’s been a candidate.
In a crisis you want a leader and a calm rational adult. We have someone who isn’t a leader and is erratic and unhinged from reality.
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Not at all. My case is that unity via presidential word or action is impossible for any candidate from any party, and we’ve reached this extreme because there is no unifying with Marxists who are actively working to sow chaos and disorder.
I know you consider Trump worse than the rest of the field, but that wasn’t the question. Imagine that anyone else won for a moment. Does Ted Cruz or whoever you imagine in this scenario not also have to contend with the same assault of lies, fictional narratives and open propaganda designed to divide?
I’ll remind you that Brett Kavanaugh, who had the best possible record of public service and public comments you can imagine, was called “evil” by Democrats in congress and accused of being a rapist without evidence.
There’s no unifying with Marxists. The fight’s on, and it will involve a lot of division until it all shakes out. The Democrats have never let go of their shitty, divisive and hateful ideas without a fight from the Republicans. That’s always going to be divisive, just as divisive as when Eisenhower deployed the 101’st Airborne division to Arkansas soil so black children could go to school safely, finally free from the evil policies of the Democrats.
I say bring it. There’s still enough of us who understand Liberalism to wrestle these Marxists into the light, hold them down and expose their ideas for the small-minded, hateful and destructive ideology that it is. This is a movement of pussies, after all. Marxist are all intellectual weaklings in addition to being physical weaklings and cowards of the highest order.
They sprung the revolution a generation too soon. Like him or not, Trump is fighting the most important fight of our era right now and there’s still way too many of us who are not indoctrinated into Marxist nonsense.
No unifying exists with people who fit any type of extreme though. That’s what makes them extremists. I’m talking about the vast majority of American people when I mean unity. Not the farthest left or the farthest right. When Bush or Obama have unifying speeches it’s not like the anarchistics or the fascists cared. That’s not who you try to unify. They don’t even want unity. I don’t believe Trump does either. His whole persona is you’re with me or the enemy. And he will insult you left and right should you share a difference of opinion.
Sure. The same ones that Barack Obama contended with every day of his presidency? You brought up numerous adjectives as if “oh people would say that about everyone.” Except the thing is they actually FIT the President (at least in terms of ways you could make your argument). The things you brought up it would be hard to say against a lot of the field or President Obama. Your evidence would be lacking. But it’s not hard to say that about Trump and you have plenty of evidence. It’s a lot more than “oh his Twitter gives some fodder.”
I don’t know what I actually believe about Trump fully on those things FWIW. But if someone wants to say Trumps a sexual absuer or racist it’s far easier to find examples for your argument on him than with Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush.
No, they haven’t. You seem desperate to conflate BLM (the organization) with Democratic Party generally, and it just isn’t true.
By whom, though? A noisy fringe group on social media isn’t the same as the general center-to-left liberals that make up American voters. Neither Ted Cruz nor Jon Kasich would have attacked as a bigot by the standard Left had they been the candidate. That’s nonsense.
You’re living in an alternate reality. The most radical wing of the Democratic Party are social democrats, not Marxists. You’re attacking an enemy of your own making. In real life, we aren’t in pitched battle with Marxism - only in your head. The Democratic Party wants to raise taxes and provide universal health care - they aren’t reorganizing America along Marxist principles.
Heh. Now the Trump crowd is demanding facts and good ideas.
The central issue is 2020 is not fringe groups hiding under your bed, but the desire (or not) for America to end this experiment with the most inept president the country has ever seen who also just happens to be a malignant narcissist.
Unsurprisingly, you take the same tact as Trump himself - change the subject. You exaggerate the threat of fringe groups to move the conversation away from Trump. No can do. A bunch of young idealistic idiots aren’t going to cause catastrophic damage to this country any time soon - a second Trump term certainly could.
The most unserious and silly statement on PWI in years. He isn’t fighting a damn thing.
It’s also dismissive of the fact that some of the things being called for have been called for by the right as well. But much like we saw with Obamacare ideas championed by Republicans became awful the moment a Democrat agrees or calls for it.
https://www.cato.org/qualified-immunity
https://www.cato.org/blog/quarter-century-cato-research-police-accountability
No, it’s white supremacists.
Cities burn, murders skyrocket, extreme policies are being implemented and anyone pointing out these obvious terrible outcomes is “exaggerating the threat of fringe groups”.
Don’t believe your lyin’ eyes! TRUMP IS THE REAL PROBLEM!
You guys are too much.
What does a republican extremist look like today? What policies do they support that you find most problematic? What actions are they taking that you find most troubling? What position do you find hardest to identify any kind of common ground, and are any of those hills you are ready to die on?
Yes, exactly like that. It is really exactly the same thing that’s going on. I see no meaningful difference at all.
I’m not sure what you and @thunderbolt23 et all are even arguing at this point. That you believe strongly in the bad nature of virtually everything Trump says and does is crystal clear. That’s the one thing you guys can all get behind and articulate clearly.
Otherwise the argument seems to be…
Don’t worry about the Marxism, you’re making way too big of a deal about these riots and sudden, radical policy changes.
Biden’s better because Trump is worse.
Why aren’t you sharing our hysterical reactions about Trump?
Otherwise, I’m seeing no compelling argument to get behind the Marxist revolution that I’m supposed to pretend is not happening.
Here’s an open question to ponder: Can you or anyone explain the difference?
I understand there are Democratic voters who just want an outcome like Universal Healthcare and all of the other stuff that is floating around on the “wouldn’t it be nice?” list of things without any understanding of policy or how any of these politicians can get us from point A to point B. These are the useful idiots of our time, their good intentions being cynically exploited in a power grab.
I’m sure my wonderful sister-in-law has no desire for murders in Chicago to skyrocket during the police stand-down she’s supporting via loud and judgmental virtue signalling, but that’s what’s is happening.
Oh well, it doesn’t cost her anything and would you look at all of those likes she got on that post about #defundthepolice. Wow. That’s an impressive amount of likes.
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No, they haven’t. You seem desperate to conflate BLM (the organization) with Democratic Party generally, and it just isn’t true.
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You are totally misrepresenting his statement, while gaslighting anyone that shows concern about the massive leftward swing of America’s under 40 crowd.
Question - why have you personally switched from conservative to liberal? Only 2 (maybe 3) elections back, you posted support for GOP here on TN for years.
It’s a fiction that exists only in my head. I understand this now. I’m not sure why I’d be alarmed at the policy shift in my lifetime, let alone a few minor riots to push through some small adjustments to obscure policies that need not be voted on.
Who needs a border anyway? Borders are racist, everyone knows this now. Americans should pay for the healthcare of anyone who can get themselves here. Democrats have known this to be true as a matter of principle since the founding of their party as a noble institution of justice and good ideas. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
I literally only know two people who flipped hard to Democrat as adults over 40. My brother seems to have done so in the interest of preserving his marriage. This is a guy who would club me with Atlas Shrugged when I was a liberal teenager. All of a sudden he’s all-in, full-woke for some reason. Maybe he’s just seeing something I’m not.
The other is a recovering heroin addict for who, by my best guess, becoming involved in Democratic activism has been instrumental in his recovery. Good for him, really.
Let me guess - in your selective reading of the news, you must’ve missed Depression-level unemployment, a recession, corruption at the DOJ, use of military against protesting citizens, and feebleness before a foreign adversary?
I don’t know what to tell you if you think the things Trump faces in what you called “same assault of lies, fictional narratives and open propaganda designed to divide” are vastly different than what Obama faced. Not only birtherism (spawned by your favorite he doesn’t do anything wrong person), but the myriad of secret Muslim gun grabbing socialist etc. You don’t see anything resembling that? Come on dude entire industries were built on it from Alex Jones to Glenn Beck.
Most of the things I have posted are ACTUAL WORDS of the President. Meanwhile Obama faced massive conspiracy theories all the time.
Anyone is probably better but the answer to that is yes.
You mean some of the things stated for years by Republican think tanks?
BLM is Marxist (its founders were influenced by critical race theory and other Marxist bs) and it is donating a lot of money to Democrats. BLM is getting its agenda into schools. Indianapolis schools are adopting BLMesque policies that will affect not only minority students in poor areas, who are doing poorly, but students (primarily white) in more affluent areas who are doing well.
In 13 (one third) of Baltimore’s high schools, not one student is at grade level for math. The same people who are running schools there are running schools in all urban areas. Rather than losing control because they have no record of success, they will be getting more control to further their failing agendas. In fact, they want to change what is considered a desired outcome in order to match their (failed) outcome so they can say they are succeeding.
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Maybe he realizes Biden’s history is far more conservative than Trump? When Trump becomes conservative the point may be worth discussing.
I must have.
There’s nothing there that needs unpacking at all, just obviously bad outcomes clearly laid at the feet of one man…
President Donald J. Trump!!!
I appreciate your concise and thoughtful analysis.
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No ones actually saying this. But the moment anyone brings up Trump you’ve got an automatic dismissal of what’s being said or you automatically say “look over there!” If some are laying too much blame on his feet you regularly lay none at all aside from a faux “he probably shouldn’t have said that but everyone is taking his words the wrong way!”
He doesn’t just act like a victim all the time his supporters insist it’s true.