The Push to 2020 Has Begun!

I don’t. The chaos (assuming you are talking about the Floyd riots) is the responsibility of the state governors. Unless you’re going to order active duty military against civilians, which I absolutely do not support in any capacity (like Mad Dog).

I would say state governors are not POTUS answerable. But they might listen to Biden.

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Interesting study of classical liberalism vs some of the far left visions that pop up from time to time.
I would say classical (paleo) is not so far from that classical liberalism.

After all, the principles that paleo aspire to/would like to hang on to, were ‘extreme’ liberal ideas compared to the systems before them - monarchy etc.

When I look at Sanders’ lost run this year, I see someone who had a much, much better chance of being the nominee than Trump did back in the day. The Dems closed ranks, took the first good positive Biden performance, and ran with it. IMO.

I don’t see Biden as a puppet on strings being a conspiracy theory, I see it as based on how he got the nomination. IMO.

You would probably need to know what law and order was but I digress. I don’t see how the second part could even be argued against personally.

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Understood. I think we disagree here but it comes down to 2 old white guys for nominee, and one has a background as a centrist with the other being fringe-ish. I think the calculus was just straight forward.

Or perhaps I wasn’t tryna spend more than 60 seconds (obviously) opining on an (obviously) developing story, while also knowing that better, regular posters here (like loppar or yourself) would address it more adequately.

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate. And bonus points for the condescension in your preamble.

No bonus points for this (unnecessary) parting jab, tho I hope it made you feel better!

Now that I’ve done my news reading for the moment I’ll comment on this Taliban bounty story, as much as I’m able to make sense of it from the two articles I read.

So far as I can tell this is an anonymously-sourced NYT article that I’d place roughly on par with the other journalism I’ve read from them recently. It is too soon to say if this is being reported on similarly to the Russian collusion hoax, the Covington Catholic hoax, or any other story where the NYT heard something that fit in their preferred narrative, jumped all over it and ran to conclusions that weren’t borne out by any set of facts after all of the dust settles.

Forgive me if I don’t take this at face value right now. If more sources come out, names get named and reputable news outlets cover the story, I’ll pay more attention.

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For as long as Trump has been on this earth and Daddy gave him his first millions and taught him all he knew…he has functioned in many ways like a Crime Boss who put more emphasis on his Legal Entities.That is not hyperbole.Ask the Southern District of New York. (Who Trump is trying to undermine).

This means that he has mastered the arts like “Plausible Deniability” and distancing himself from wrong doing in ways that have John Gotti turning over in his grave. And he is good at it.

I say all of this to emphasize that many of the things he has been accused of especially during his Presidency I don’t think are false, but legally linking him to them has been difficult if not impossible.

So be it…this is America and I can live with that.

Really? Actually the only open question is whether Trump was (verbally) briefed on this or not.

Trump, you so stupid. Why you work for Putin? Why no start war with Russia before election this year? Why you such asshole? Just let Democrat win. Why you start war with Taliban almost 20 years ago?

Amidoingthisrite?

Oh no no - it’s why do you hate so much people who have served in the US armed forces, both living and dead.

Also, you could try rhe why do you so desperately want strongmen to like you?

Hillary will start WW3 is so 2016.

Well, in another extremely divisive move trump just tweeted that a Black Lives Matter sign is a “symbol of hate”. Its unfortunate that our national leader just can’t help himself from fomenting division within this country.

Meanwhile Biden’s handlers just keep him locked away and out of sight. Its a strategy that seems to be working. His campaign manager has the easiest job ever: Do nothing Joe. Literally, just do nothing.

Anyone know when the debates are supposed to occur? If done by Zoom i think it will be EXACTLY as painful as one would expect a Zoom call between two 70 year old, technologically illiterate, alpha males to be lol.

It certainly isn’t a sensitive choice of words, but the time is coming for leaders of some kind to confront Black Lives Matter. The mayor of the USA’s largest city and mayors of many other cities are endorsing a Marxist political party while also caving to their demands. I’m not surprised that you see the President of the USA’s reaction to this as divisive, and not the Marxist activism itself.

Sowing division is calling yourselves “Black Lives Matter” while promoting straight-up Marxism and calling anyone who disagrees with you a racist. Trump, as our President, should respond to the Marxist revolution that is now well underway. That’s part of what leadership is, calling a spade a spade even when doing so is deeply unpopular and resisted on many levels.

There’s no unifying with Marxists unless you cave to their demands. Traditional liberalism has always tolerated opposing opinions, Marxism does not. It can’t. There’s no set of words or actions that Trump or anyone can take that will not be divisive to Marxist revolutionaries, short of full capitulation to their demands.

I’m actually behind Trump all the way on this, bad choice of words and all. There’s no possible way to have anything resembling an honest conversation about Black Lives Matter and their policy goals without deeply, deeply upsetting many people and facing many accusations of racism.

I’m behind Trump on this because so many Republicans are bending the knee to the BLM organization, even as our cities burn and radical steps are taken to speed the urban decline that the Democrats have overseen for decades now. Nobody, democrat or republican, is doing this because the BLM ideas are good. BLM has political traction because of fear.

If you just go along with all of the BLM feel-good virtue signalling, they’ll get their policies implemented. They are succeeding in that right now, and crime is already skyrocketing. But hey, all of that violence is mostly concentrated in poor black neighborhoods, and nobody’s ever given a shit about what happens there in the wake of all of the great policies passed to ostensibly improve their lives.

I’m reading about dead toddlers on a near daily basis, and I only follow Chicago news out of all of our big cities. Babies and toddlers used by scumbags as human shields, blown to bits, while parts of the city are looted and burned and the mayor blames the police at every turn, as she has since campaigning for office.

Boy, it’s a good thing those White Supremacists are still waiting to be emboldened just a little bit more before they step out of the shadows and act. I’ve only got the stomach for one violent revolutionary group of radicals right now.

#defundthepolice
#100murdersinthelastmonth
#Chiraq
#1in6charged

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Your NPR article points in Trump’s favor.

KELLY: Were you persuaded by the evidence that was laid up for you?

MCCAUL: I think there’s - it’s a bit confused. I think you, again, have one level of intelligence coming from one source and then you’ve got another from a different type of more technical intelligence that indicates that this is probably not accurate information.

KELLY: … There is a difference between taking action and responding and briefing the president. The White House says the president was not briefed. Did the president - was he in the meeting? Did he say that to y’all today as well?

MCCAUL No, it was just the chief of staff, national security adviser and the director of national intelligence. They indicated to us that the president had not been briefed on this.

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I disagree with you on BLM. Putting that aside though, trumps words put the country into two camps For or Against. There was no trying to reason or explain why BLM is bad and americans should not support it. It was a straight up propaganda statement meant to divide the country into the evil For BLM camp or the good Against BLM camp. no room for middle ground, no room for discussion or nuance. Just call out half the country as supporting a symbol of hate.

If i also thought BLM was the devil, i would be disappointed in trumps tweet. It does nothing to bring people to his side. Instead it stokes division, clearly marks the moral high ground, and delineates “sides”, and makes each side dig in further. It’s basic people skills that what he did is not productive if he was trying to win people over to his side of thinking.

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Evil shows up in the outcomes, not the rhetoric.

You said you disagree with me about BLM. I take you you don’t consider the organization to be Marxist, as the founders have called themselves. suppose you can choose to ignore that as well as the Marxist policies they support, written in plain English to see.

Maybe you disagree with me that Marxism is a bad thing. I’m not sure. You weren’t clear what you disagreed with.

This might be the closest thing to real leadership I’ve seen Trump display, at least in recent memory. We are at a historical, cultural, social and political flashpoint, and destructive Marxist ideas are not only taking hold but being implemented. Marxist’s are no better than Nazi’s, actual Nazi’s, in terms of the human outcomes produced when their ideas are faithfully implemented. They just differ in their superficial intentions.

That why the term useful idiots came about. Evil people with evil intentions harnessed the good nature of the useful idiots to see about their policy goals before before discarding them when no longer needed. If evil outcomes are in doubt at all, pick up the Chicago Tribune. Policing is down, murders are up. WAY UP.

Nobody’s having a parade for Mekay James. I don’t fault liberals for feeling strong. I used to vote that way too.

I dont want to argue about BLM.

I dont think trumps tweet did anything but inflame tensions, further delineate “sides” in this country, and make each side further dig in their heels. But that is his schtick: make every single issue into “youre either with me, or you are stupid, evil, or corrupt”. I think its unfortunate.

Its just really poor leadership of a large diverse group. If you are only trying to lead your followers its great leadership. Its a page out of wartime propaganda: define yourselves as bastions of good and rightousness, and the otherside as evil and intent on destruction. It is meant to dehumanize the other side. thats fucked up to have our POTUS doing that to half of america.

If Trump’s goal was to get BLM more supporters, he likely succeeded.

This is the BLM revolution.

That only makes sense if you consider BLM to be the entirety of “the other side”. I don’t. I consider them a very clever group of Marxists, who’ve successfully and cynically capitalized on white guilt and the broad, almost universal support for the notion that black lives matter. The only people who don’t think black lives matter are the actual white supremacists and Klan types, who we know know are very few in number, politically neutered and not of grave concern.

This is why BLM is far, far more concerning to me than any group of white supremacists, Mexican supremacists, Asian supremacists or any other group like that out there. BLM is the only one getting policy put in place and oh, by the way, most of our cities are literally on fire.

Let’s imagine we actually did have a white supremacist problem in the USA. They’re advocating for race-based policies, as BLM is presently, and engaging in violent riots in cities across the country, as other people who happen to be BLM supporters are.

I would not have a problem with any past, present or future president coming out against that behavior and that kind of political activism in the strongest terms possible, without any regard to who it may piss off.

Again, that’s what I consider to be “good leadership”. Taking a stand when it isn’t the easy thing to do.

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