Showing the patience of Jesus are we now? A beautiful end to this train wreck of yours.
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Nope, as I said before, it was well received and I’ve attempted to be more conscious in my comments, especially concerning religion (it’s touchy enough when discussed in the best of circumstances, ha)
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How about #7?
Hey, now, calm down and remember the passage about he who speaks with faith but not love is just clanging, not singing.
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Well said.
And that is Trib’s primary problem (and those like him) - on matters of faith, he isn’t interested in learning from others and constructive dialogue, especially on difficult questions. He is filled with enormous pride and sees it as a zero-sum game of sport to correct everyone else who has it wrong (see “getting teeth kicked in” in Biblical debates, etc.). It goes without saying that that approach is probably the single worst way to witness a faith one can think of.
Friend - you contend with both the word and the Word of God if you choose to place justification for certain individuals before faith, while others showing faith in Jesus as a savior, have been ‘predestined’ to an eternal damnation.
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Please copy and paste where I’ve said this.
God is love and it is He and He alone who defines what love is. Love is neither percolating hormones nor being “nice.”
I have all the patience of my faith for rank unbelievers who make no claim to Christ. What I have no patience for are those who call themselves Christians, but mangle and pervert the word of God like Thunderbolt and Aragorn. I am commanded to expose and oppose such people where the necessity presents itself.
They’re both piddly little loudmouthed cowards who prattle on all day about how bad people like me are and then scamper away when challenged to demonstrate why from the Christian scriptures.
In today’s nauseating postmodern society, character traits like humility and love and have been conveniently redefined to reflect the weepy feminzed preferences of autonomous man.
I don’t think I understand.
A) I didn’t say prattle on, didn’t say you’re bad and I didn’t insult you. I said you might want to rethink your approach. Different universe.
B) I didn’t scamper away. In fact the 1 post you replied to from me had examples from scripture in it.
C) You speak about what you do not understand. I hope all the best for you and hope that you come around to a different point of view regarding your method of interaction with others shown in this thread and others, since I can’t speak to your real life interactions, but be it on your own head if you do not. This has nothing to do with theology.
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Our history goes far beyond this thread and it’s plain to see that nothing has changed.
I do hereby declare my profound interest in learning from you. Open your bible and teach me. A child with the forever settled in heaven word of God on their lips will silence all the halls of academia. I will learn from anybody.
Hilarious. Only thing I’ve done in this thread is try to get into a fruitful discussion to untie the irrational knot that is Calvinism - and rather than providing cogent, coherent dialogue, you plaster reams of cut-and-paste and gassy bromides instead of simply addressing the points raised, then hurl sniveling attacks against Aragorn and I from the comfort of the sidelines. If anyone has tucked and ran, it’s you, not us.
The only thing I learned from this thread is that you haven’t done anything new to equip yourself to actually discuss and explain your faith with a skeptic of your brand of faith. Instead, you’ve only added new layers of armor made of hubris and ignorance to defend your brand of faith.
Oh well. Maybe better luck in the future.
I always love these threads, they always make me realllllyyy want to go to church on Sunday…
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Oh, and let’s be clear on this charge. I reached agreement with you that the Bible instructs humility and demands that no mortal sit in judgment in the place of God. Then, I explained to why I thought your actions break both of those Biblical injunctions. Your response? In true “postmodern” fashion, you insisted words don’t mean what they say, and that you had your own personalized definitions that you operate by to justify your behavior.
Next, you’ll be telling us that in Trib’s handy, dandy alt-dictionary, “love for neighbor” actually means “scathing disdain”.
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You’re a bucket load of fun. Do you really think an almighty, perfect being would want you hanging out with him through all eternity? My goodness, man, fifteen minutes would be all anyone could take (perfect being or not). My guess is he’s pulling your leg to lead you down the path to eternal damnation.
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@Tiribulus Are you able to reconcile the difference between your literal approach and the “softened” more family friendly approach that most churches have evolved to at this point? Or do you see your more hardline church and others like it as sort of the lone beacon of salvation in the perpetual night that is humanity at this point?
I’m telling you guys, the Tirib/zeb parallels are really quite strong.
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There’s a misunderstanding here. I never agreed with you. Christians are commanded TO judge others who claim to be Christians. I sent you THIS originally written here for Jeaton.
This is absolutely false. Clear settled certainty of conviction is by definition arrogance in today’s postmodern world though it is a command of God.
Tell me, in your estimation, what a Christian is Thunderbolt and why please.
That is a direct simple question.
Yes, I read THIS, and it isn’t compelling - where the Bible is textually clear (“judge not…”), you add layers of made-up context to press a convoluted argument to say “when the Bible says ‘judge not,’ it’s really saying ‘go ahead and judge just as God would’”. You do this because you want personal results that are not afforded by the Scripture itself - you want and crave the authority to stand in judgment of all the people who are “bad” and “false” Christians, but the Bible says you can’t, so you fabricate a new interpretation that suits your own personal agenda.
The Bible is clear - judge not. Not “judge all you want, but with these standards, but not those standards” - but “judge not”. Your “interpretation” serves your own selfish ends, and isn’t based on any scriptural authority.[quote=“Tiribulus, post:199, topic:230512”]
This is absolutely false. Clear settled certainty of conviction is by definition arrogance in today’s postmodern world though it is a command of God.
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No, it isn’t. No one cares if you have settled certainty of conviction. What you demonstrate is hubris. The Bible recognizes the perils of hubris throughout (“Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall,” etc.). In the time of the Bible, of course, folks had settled certainty of conviction as much as you or anyone else, but the Bible takes special care to warn against the dangers of pride and arrogance - meaning there is an obvious distinction between the two mindsets.
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God’s truth does not evolve.Though to some limited extent, our understanding of it does progress. Like I said above. If I take the Christian scriptures seriously, the vast majority of those claiming Christ in today’s western world are not Christians at all. IF, I take the scriptures seriously, which is the biggest problem. Very few actually do.
Pink wrote that in 1917 and it’s a million times truer now than it was then. Thunderbolt and Aragorn (for instance) don’t take the bible seriously. They pick and choose what they like and redefine the rest.
Left to myself I’m dead face down with a puddle of puke frozen to my face at 16 and I certainly don’t know everything. I have however, by the grace of a merciful God, spent thousands of hours studying that bible and church history.
I KNOW that what men like them preach is NOT historic Christianity and I am duty bound to say so when confronted with the need to do so. Aren’t I supposed to be nice though while doing that? No. Heretics get anathemas, pagans get “nice.”
The great apostle told the heretics at Galatia that they were accursed of God (Galatians 1), fallen from Grace, severed from Christ and he hoped they castrated themselves (Galatians 5)
He did however have neverending patience with the Greek pagans at Athens for instance in the book of the Acts of the Apostles chapter 17.
Any “softer” approach is a perversion and thats’ the point . Jesus Christ Himself said:
13-“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14-“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. (Matthew 7)
He and His blood IS that narrow way and anything and everything else is death. I may not wish it, but most folks are not going to be saved. NO folks deserve to be saved and it’s a glorious wonder He saves anybody.
When I am finally out of this body of death and glorified with one like His, so that I can gaze into that beautiful face unharmed, I want to hear him say "well done my good and faithful servant. " That’s all I care about. He and He alone is who tells me how to see to that.
I hasten to clarify that my salvation was accomplished entirely by Him. I was/am a passive recipient of that gift of grace. I do what I do out of love for and gratitude toward Him. Not because I’ll be lost if I don’t.