[quote]pwilliams wrote:
Her being scripted? As if they both weren’t?[/quote]
He stayed on topic for each question and gave clear answers. There were specific points he wanted to put out there, but it was obvious he was simply well prepared (as you would expect from someone who has been doing this his whole professional life)
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
You think she didn’t submit relevant answers to many questions?
Really?
Okay. Don’t expect the undecideds to agree with you.[/quote]
If someone asks you about bankruptcy and the financial crisis, and you answer with energy policy, is that relevant?
Yes or no?
If Yes, please explain.
[quote]pwilliams wrote:
You think she didn’t submit relevant answers to many questions?
Really?
Okay. Don’t expect the undecideds to agree with you.[/quote]
yes really. She had some golden opportunities to knock a few out but couldn’t do it. Biden went on about how McCain’s policies may be different than Bush’s but we don’t know because we havent heard them.
Instead of saying straight up “here is the history, and here is our stance” she gave a “golly gee whiz, stop pointing fingers” answer
The energy thing was embarrassing to watch.
She did well regarding education
My take:
Doesn’t change a damn thing.
[quote]borrek wrote:
pwilliams wrote:
You think she didn’t submit relevant answers to many questions?
Really?
Okay. Don’t expect the undecideds to agree with you.
yes really. She had some golden opportunities to knock a few out but couldn’t do it. Biden went on about how McCain’s policies may be different than Bush’s but we don’t know because we havent heard them.
Instead of saying straight up “here is the history, and here is our stance” she gave a “golly gee whiz, stop pointing fingers” answer
The energy thing was embarrassing to watch.
She did well regarding education[/quote]
Agreed,
She had a platform to distinguish how she will be different from Bush and she didnt take advantage. I dont think people believe this Maverick bullshit, he is a Repub and needs to make it crystal clear how he is a Maverick and I dont think he did that.
This whole , “Golly, gee whiz, darn…” bullshit has to stop. She speaks to us as if we are 2nd graders.
Anyone remember what Biden said about sitting down and talking with Iran?
I’ve mentioned before that I don’t have a TV in the house-- ie cable or other streaming TV – so, I had to hook up some rabbit ears. I get 2 channels: Maine PBS and Fox, both very fuzzy.
The PBN post-debate analysis couldn’t have been more obvious. PBN absolutely loathes this woman.
I think you guys on either side of this argument are being completely anal about this and are arguing over crumbs.
In hindsight both candidates will be happy with their performace tonight and there was no ‘moment’ from either candidate that defined the debate as either a great victory or great disaster.
Move along, move along nothing to see here folks…
I just don’t see Palin as the second most powerful person in the USA. She comes across as the next door neighbor lady that likes to get involved with the local PTA.
Props to whoever prepped her though, they at least had her memorize some talking points and had her avoid answering any questions that she doesn’t have something memorized for. It at least made her seem like she had something coherent to say.
Transcript is up already.
I was only able to catch the second half. I thought Biden slaughtered her. He acted as if he was debating McCain, not Palin, which made Palin seem like a spokesperson for McCain – a cheerleader.
She rarely answered the question, made very few points and was surprisingly vacuous. Biden was solid and whiped the floor with her. It almost made me want to vote for Obama/Biden.
[quote]JamFly wrote:
I think you guys on either side of this argument are being completely anal about this and are arguing over crumbs.
[/quote]
this much is obvious. nothing better to do that scratch our balls and split hairs though
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
He said BOZNIAX[/quote]
Yeah, that’s what Bosnian Muslims are called.
It’s 5am here. It was live on Swedish public TV so I figured “why not?”. Didn’t read the whole thread, so sorry if there’s any dupe here, but I got to get some sleep.
A few observations:
What’s with the moderator’s outfit? Is she blind or something?
Palin did much better than on her recent infamous interviews. She didn’t blubber, although it was obvious that she wasn’t being natural.
Biden came off as the classical politician. That is, the guy that would tell you anything as long as you want to hear it. But he did it with ease and confidence.
Palin’s “betcha”, “average Joe six-pack”, “nu-cu-lar”, “kid soccer”, “hockey mom”, wink, giggle and grimace shtick got annoying.
Palin didn’t directly answer many of the questions and, on many issues, flat out diverted the topic. To her credit, she did it gracefully and she put Biden on the defensive.
I thought the teary-eye Biden moment about his kid was hard to top in terms of embarrassment. Then came the crap about his weakness being “excessive passion”. Pathetic!
Palin resorted to her notes a lot more than Biden. That seemed weird for a candidate whose selling point is “appeal to emotions”.
Palin did a pretty good job at avoiding getting tangled up defending Bush.
Honestly, I don’t see how this gal ended up as governor of anything – let alone VP for a guy with good chances of dropping dead. On the other hand, I don’t understand how Obama is the lead and Biden the VP.
Bottomline, Palin came out as the well-meaning lovable doorstop. Biden, as the traditional politician who’d just blow with any wind and lies through his teeth.
He sounded cool though when he started talking about learning from his mistakes, being open to debate and evolving (no pun intended) in general. Palin, gave the impression of an intolerant rigid person (although she kept repeating “I’m tolerant”).
“If I were registered to vote, I’d send these clowns a message by staying home on election day and dressing up like a clown.” – Philip J. Fry
Anyone who considers voting for anyone of these two clowns deserves a smack on the forehead.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Anyone who considers voting for anyone of these two clowns deserves a smack on the forehead.[/quote]
Thanks Mr. Sweden. I’m sure all your politicians are fucking terrific. Anyhow, no one is voting for either of them. They are running for VICE-president.
She did “OK” overall, but McCain’s popularity has been falling and to really help her campaign, she needed to hit a home run out of the ball park. I dont feel that she did that tonight.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
She did “OK” overall, but McCain’s popularity has been falling and to really help her campaign, she needed to hit a home run out of the ball park. I dont feel that she did that tonight. [/quote]
We’ll see.
At the very worst she stopped the bleeding and at best she DID hit a home run. The fallout the next fw days will tell.
She did much better than I expected and was well prepared. Even Obama’s supporters are saying that.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
She did “OK” overall, but McCain’s popularity has been falling and to really help her campaign, she needed to hit a home run out of the ball park. I dont feel that she did that tonight.
We’ll see.
At the very worst she stopped the bleeding and at best she DID hit a home run. The fallout the next fw days will tell.
She did much better than I expected and was well prepared. Even Obama’s supporters are saying that. [/quote]
Agreed,
She was much better prepared than in some previous interviews. I dont think either person blew the other away.
Well…here’s my take.
IFill was fair. So no real problem there.
Biden
Palin DID try to bait Biden on numerous occasions; and the non-coached/non-rehearsed “Killer Joe of Old”, that we’ve all come to know and love, would have gone off on a tangent that would have killed the debate.
But he did what he had to do, and kept himself in check. He would take a deep breath, and then say “…Look Gwen…” and go on with his defense.
Overall, he showed command of the questions asked; kept his cool; and had no major gaffs.
Joe did good.
Palin
Palin accomplished a VERY tough feat; I think that she brought herself AT LEAST back to “pre-Gibson/Couric-interview” levels. She took a hit over the past few weeks; but tonight, I think that she was more in her element.
In other words, I think that Palin does best when she can answer much more on her own terms and when her “folksy” charm can come out.
While she didn’t deliver a knockout, she did hold her own, (even though she came off VERY shaky when discussing Climate Change), and had a reasonable command of the subject matter also.
It’s obvious that this Debate could have become very messy if too many very polarizing issues were discussed, as evidenced by the tense moments for them both during the Gay Marriage questioning.
I think that Abortion questions, and those of SCOTUS appointments, (although briefly mentioned by Biden) would have had both candidates sweating bullets and coming off badly.
Overall?
Ifills questions were fair, and did not cover real controversial and polarizing ground (like abortion).
At best, it was even, with each candidate doing what they had to do.
Biden had to keep himself in check, and not come off as condescending and dismissive of Palin.
Palin had to “hold her own” and not come off as badly as she did in the Gibson/Couric Interviews.
Game changer?
In the Big Scheme of the campaign, probably not.
Mufasa
I dont see Obama being THE most powerful person in the world.He doesn’t come across,but is,a guy who went to a church thats preached hate on jews,whites,and says GOD DAMN AMERICA.
Imagine if ANY republican not only had ties to a church like that,but attended the church for 20 years,gets the guy to marry him and mentor him,and brings his kids to church to hear that hate.