I enjoyed the debate, and like most feel that both candidates did what they were supposed to do while avoiding any really costly mistakes.
The one thing I while say is that Palin reminds me of some caricature of a 50s era mom with the way she talks at times. Like other people said, that whole “golly gee whiz” schtick got old real fast.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
She did “OK” overall, but McCain’s popularity has been falling and to really help her campaign, she needed to hit a home run out of the ball park. I dont feel that she did that tonight. [/quote]
That’s the thing though. The VP shouldn’t have to hit it out of the park. McCain needs to pull his head out of his ass and get his campaign back on track. She did exactly what she needed to do.
If McCain can do something substantial over the next few days and then win Tuesday’s debate, I’d say he’s back in the game.
As it stands now though, I don’t believe tonight’s events are going to change anything.
[quote]lixy wrote:
His wife and infant daughter were killed and both sons seriously injured in a car accident. I believe that’s what that moment referenced.
You are right Tyler, but since McCain is behind he needs help wherever he can find it, and if his VP candidate can offer it so be it. She held her own, and now its up to McCain. When McCain speaks, he speaks with no authority.
I mean he doesnt capture you the way a presidential candidate should. He come off as such an old man (he is an old man I know), but he lacks that energy that Obama brings. Not saying that that is enough to win it, but it seems like McCain has 2 speeds… slow and stop.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
…it seems like McCain has 2 speeds… slow and stop. [/quote]
Yeah, except when he’s “rushing” to Washington to “fix” the economy.
[quote]Tyler23 wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
…it seems like McCain has 2 speeds… slow and stop.
Yeah, except when he’s “rushing” to Washington to “fix” the economy.[/quote]
What a fix it is.
The two best quotes:
Biden: McCain want’s to do for retirement what he’s done for the banking industry.
Palin: I am not going to answer that (subject was economics) I want to talk about energy.
Biden’s been in DC for 35 years.
You’d think in all that time he would read the Constitution and know that Article 1 deals with the Legislative Branch.
It was a pretty even debate. For Biden to be the quintessential Washington insider, and perpetual campaigner - that is a piss poor showing.
For Palin, who by all accounts is barely able to brush her teeth, according to the sycophants on this forum, to hold her own against Biden, pulled off a major victory.
I think that was the weirdest sentence I have ever tried to compose.
Spot on RJ, Biden should be more articulate with so much experience with politics.
But if holding her own is a major victory, what is that saying about her? She could be 2nd in command of this country and I dont feel comfortable about someone who has to struggle with just holding her own.
he was under a time limit and chose to address the questions asked. no one is moving mountains in 90 seconds
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Spot on RJ, Biden should be more articulate with so much experience with politics.
But if holding her own is a major victory, what is that saying about her? She could be 2nd in command of this country and I dont feel comfortable about someone who has to struggle with just holding her own.
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You should be more worried about a career politician who had to struggle to barely hold his own against a mother of five from Alaska.
[quote]borrek wrote:
he was under a time limit and chose to address the questions asked. no one is moving mountains in 90 seconds
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WTF are you even talking about?
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
lixy wrote:
Anyone who considers voting for anyone of these two clowns deserves a smack on the forehead.
Thanks Mr. Sweden. I’m sure all your politicians are fucking terrific. Anyhow, no one is voting for either of them. They are running for VICE-president.[/quote]
Don’t go there. The Swedish political scene doesn’t have this two-party thing. So, you actually get a real debate on the issues, not just obfuscation and/or populism. These guys (and I mean the VP as well as the presidential “nominees”) are playing it as safe as they possibly can that it turned into a caricature.
I didn’t mean it as a disparaging comment or anything of the sort. I just refuse to believe that in the great nation that is the United States of America, these freaks are the best your country has to offer.
This very notion strikes me as preposterous, and anyone with a shred of common sense should not be limiting his/her choices to these clowns.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Spot on RJ, Biden should be more articulate with so much experience with politics.
But if holding her own is a major victory, what is that saying about her? She could be 2nd in command of this country and I dont feel comfortable about someone who has to struggle with just holding her own.
You should be more worried about a career politician who had to struggle to barely held his own against a mother of five from Alaska.
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She had to struggle against herself. If you have to focus on not screwing up, rather than your opponent, you have already made it very hard for yourself.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
rainjack wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Spot on RJ, Biden should be more articulate with so much experience with politics.
But if holding her own is a major victory, what is that saying about her? She could be 2nd in command of this country and I dont feel comfortable about someone who has to struggle with just holding her own.
You should be more worried about a career politician who had to struggle to barely held his own against a mother of five from Alaska.
She had to struggle against herself. If you have to focus on not screwing up, rather than your opponent, you have already made it very hard for yourself. [/quote]
And Biden didn’t? I didn’t see her struggle at all. I saw her being nervous.
Tell me where you saw her struggle.
If facial expressions count for anything, Biden seemed to be the one struggling.
And the tears? Please. I will probably only say this once in my lifetime, but lixy was right.
What would you have thought had Palin started up the water works?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
borrek wrote:
he was under a time limit and chose to address the questions asked. no one is moving mountains in 90 seconds
WTF are you even talking about? [/quote]
its not that hard, try to follow. There was a time limit to his responses and he chose to stay on topic, so instead of waxing nostalgic about 35 years of politics, he instead did the right thing and controlled himself.
you’re delirious if you think he struggled to hold his own. Name one question or issue that he didn’t have an instant and comprehensive answer on. None.
Plus you guys need to make up your mind, is she a mother of five, or is she a governor with experience requisite for this stage of politics? Seems like you want whichever is most convenient.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
rainjack wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Spot on RJ, Biden should be more articulate with so much experience with politics.
But if holding her own is a major victory, what is that saying about her? She could be 2nd in command of this country and I dont feel comfortable about someone who has to struggle with just holding her own.
You should be more worried about a career politician who had to struggle to barely held his own against a mother of five from Alaska.
She had to struggle against herself. If you have to focus on not screwing up, rather than your opponent, you have already made it very hard for yourself.
And Biden didn’t? I didn’t see her struggle at all. I saw her being nervous.
Tell me where you saw her struggle.
If facial expressions count for anything, Biden seemed to be the one struggling.
And the tears? Please. I will probably only say this once in my lifetime, but lixy was right.
What would you have thought had Palin started up the water works?
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Her avoidance of certain issues and constantly going back to energy just led me to believe that that was her fall back plan. I dont go by facial expressions, because she has that grin on her face, while Biden is more glum than anything.
Yes Lixy does bring up a good point, we do deserve someone better. But this is what it is.
If I lost my wife and young child in a car accident, that also injured my sons, how could I NOT get emotional? If Palin started tearing up, it would depend on the reason why. A horrible family loss is more than justified, so its not that he got emotional. If anything, I am more impressed that he continued and persisted after such a huge loss.
[quote]borrek wrote:
rainjack wrote:
borrek wrote:
he was under a time limit and chose to address the questions asked. no one is moving mountains in 90 seconds
WTF are you even talking about?
its not that hard, try to follow. There was a time limit to his responses and he chose to stay on topic, so instead of waxing nostalgic about 35 years of politics, he instead did the right thing and controlled himself.
you’re delirious if you think he struggled to hold his own. Name one question or issue that he didn’t have an instant and comprehensive answer on. None.
Plus you guys need to make up your mind, is she a mother of five, or is she a governor with experience requisite for this stage of politics? Seems like you want whichever is most convenient.[/quote]
You don’t get it, kiddo. He was trying to use the Constitution to make a point. He invoked the wrong article. A man who has been in office for 35 fucking years has no clue which part of the constitution talks about his fucking job. The stress of a time limit caused him to forget?
He waxed nostalgic every fucking chance he got. Which debate were you watching?
You are the one with following problems.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
rainjack wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
rainjack wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Spot on RJ, Biden should be more articulate with so much experience with politics.
But if holding her own is a major victory, what is that saying about her? She could be 2nd in command of this country and I dont feel comfortable about someone who has to struggle with just holding her own.
You should be more worried about a career politician who had to struggle to barely held his own against a mother of five from Alaska.
She had to struggle against herself. If you have to focus on not screwing up, rather than your opponent, you have already made it very hard for yourself.
And Biden didn’t? I didn’t see her struggle at all. I saw her being nervous.
Tell me where you saw her struggle.
If facial expressions count for anything, Biden seemed to be the one struggling.
And the tears? Please. I will probably only say this once in my lifetime, but lixy was right.
What would you have thought had Palin started up the water works?
Her avoidance of certain issues and constantly going back to energy just led me to believe that that was her fall back plan. I dont go by facial expressions, because she has that grin on her face, while Biden is more glum than anything.
Yes Lixy does bring up a good point, we do deserve someone better. But this is what it is.
If I lost my wife and young child in a car accident, that also injured my sons, how could I NOT get emotional? If Palin started tearing up, it would depend on the reason why. A horrible family loss is more than justified, so its not that he got emotional. If anything, I am more impressed that he continued and persisted after such a huge loss.
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Seemed contrived to me.
I thought she answered most all of the questions asked of her but she did tend to beat around the bush at times to get there.
You didn’t see him rolling his eyes, and looking to his right with the smug grin? Or did the telecast you watched not show the split screen of the candidates? It was when Palin was speaking that he doing the facial contortions.