The Palin/Biden Debate: 10/02/08


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Sarah Palin’s high school biology teacher wanted the world to know about one of Palin’s better biology oral exams.

Teacher: Describe the function of the kidneys.

Palin: The kidneys are organs. And by golly, you betcha they are important. The stomach is also an organ and it digests food.

Teacher: But to return to the subject of the kidneys…

Palin: There you go again. Now I don’t have to answer the question just the way you liberal-elite members of academia ask me to. But Joe Six-pack types are interested in their stomachs.

Teacher: Well, at least this time you said something without sputtering or looking like a deer hit by headlights. I will give you a “C” for that.

Fox News: Sarah Palin was brilliant, even though the teacher betrayed his left-wing prejudices by asking about kidneys, a subject about which he is writing a book.

AOL Poll shows:

Palin 47%
Biden 45%
Draw 8%

480,000 in the sample.

Was she winking at you, or me?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Christine wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
<<< It wouldn’t be annoying if she didn’t intentionally play it up so much. And if she didn’t act like she had cornered the market on ‘down home appeal.’

I believe you may be even more annoyed to learn that she probably isn’t playing it up at all. I lived in Valdez for 5 months in 1989 and that’s pretty much how they talk. At least the ones who’ve been there a long time.

How in the hell could you take it without duct taping everyone’s mouth shut?

I was in NYC for a week several years back. I was given free Copenhagen every monrning in exchange for going down to the little bodega next to the hotel and just talking.

They PAID me to talk. I was only about 2 years out of the cowboying business, and those stupid fucking Yankees ate my personality up like it was candy

Palin is just a regular chick who lives in an irregular place. My college roommate is from Hamilton, Montana - and he talks exactly like Palin.

I can only think that you yankee bastards are just a little jealous of people with personality. [/quote]

Just your average, ordinary soccer mom chickadee she is. LOL. To be fair, I dislike women with her annoying personality in my everyday life. Since when does talking funny automatically mean you have a personality anyway? I had a roommate from Long Island once. Stupid accent and no personality. But then again, I think she was a republican so that probably explains it.

I’ve said it before, nothing good can come from Montana.

The Biden Error/Lie/Hallucination List (UPDATED to 22)

Below, you’ll find a list of 14 “lies” Biden told last night, distributed by the McCain campaign. I’d just note two observations: first, when you tell stories of things that didn’t happen with the frequency of Joe Biden, coupled with his fervent belief of these untrue and inaccurate statements, I don’t think “lie” is the appropriate term. “Hallucinations” seems more accurate, I think. Second, they missed a bunch, so Biden’s list of li- er, hallucinations is well beyond 14.

THE CONSTITUTION: Biden: “Vice President Cheney’s been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. He has - he has - the idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the executive - he works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.”

As noted by the McCain Camp, Article I of the Constitution does not, in fact, define the role of the Vice President of the United States. It defines the role of the legislative branch, otherwise known as the branch in which Joe Biden has served for the last 36 years.

[A reader writes in noting that Article I does mention the veep at one point - “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.” However, by describing the veep’s role in the legislature, it doesn’t really help Biden’s claim that it “defines the role, that’s the executive, he works in the executive branch.”]

IRAQ-AFGHANISTAN SPENDING: Biden said that the U.S. spends more in Iraq in one month than it has in Afghanistan in six or seven years.

That figure is off by 2000 percent.

“KICKED HEZBOLLAH OUT OF LEBANON”: Biden: When we kicked -along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said, and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know - if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.”

Reuters thinks he meant to refer to Syria, but I still don’t think it would be accurate to say the U.S. kicked Syria out of Lebanon. The Lebanese kicked Syria out of Lebanon.

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT: Biden’s statement that McCain voted against the Violence Against Women Act is accurate. But as Robert Byers notes, the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Morrison, the Court ruled that much of Biden’s law was an unconstitutional power grab by Congress of rights reserved to the states. Nobody voted against the WAWA because they support violence against women; they objected over constiutional concerns that a Supreme Court majority validated.

The McCain camp’s list fourteen lies/hallucinations can be found here.

UPDATE: As I suspected, there are others.

RESTAURANT: “Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie’s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time and you ask anybody in there whether or not the economic and foreign policy of this administration has made them better off in the last eight years.”

According to this Delaware site, Katie’s Restaurant is no longer in business; locals remember it on Union Street 25 to 30 years ago.

ARMS CONTROL TREATY: Biden: “Number two, with regard to arms control and weapons, nuclear weapons require a nuclear arms control regime. John McCain voted against a Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty that every Republican has supported.”

I have no idea where Biden gets this “every Republican has supported” claim, as 49 other Republican senators voted ‘no’ with McCain.

When the roll was finally called on October 13, the resolution to ratify the CTBT (including the six safeguards that Daschle had submitted as an amendment) was defeated by a 51-48 vote with one abstention. (See the voting record.) Forty-four Democrats voted for ratification as did four Republicans: John Chafee (R-RI), James Jeffords (R-VT), Gordon Smith (R-OR) and Arlen Specter (R-PA). Fifty Republican senators and one independent (Robert Smith of New Hampshire) voted against ratification, and Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) voted “present.” The treaty fell 19 votes short of achieving the necessary two-thirds majority necessary for ratification.

WEST BANK ELECTIONS: Biden: President Bush insisted on elections in the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, ‘Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.’"

The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler notes that “Obama had been a senator for only a few days when the election took place, but if he made such statements, they did not appear in news reports or transcripts that are contained in the Nexis or Factiva databases.”

PAKISTANI WEAPONS: “Pakistan already has nuclear weapons. Pakistan already has deployed nuclear weapons. Pakistan’s weapons can already hit Israel and the Mediterranean.”

The distance between Israel and Pakistan is 2,085 miles, or 3355 kilometers. They are working on developing longer-range missiles; maybe Biden knows of some development that public sources do not yet know about. Theoretically, the Pakistanis could put the weapon on a boat and then sail it to the target, but by that standard, any site on a coast in the world is within their range.

ANOTHER UPDATE: This site indicates that the top range of Pakistani missile that can carry a nuclear warhead is 1000 miles. By being off by 1,000 or so, I’m now upgrading this to full lie/error/hallucination status.
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVhMThlNjRkZGFlMmUwOWFkNDZkZjk0MzBiY2JiYmY=

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Of the four people in this race, she does have the market cornered on being a real person.

Change some of her phrases, and change her accent - she would be a Texan.
[/quote]

Ditto for Maine. Throw a flannel teddy on her, switch out “By Golly” with “By Gum” and throw in a couple "Ayuh"s for good measure.

Both sides were creative with the facts.

[quote]Christine wrote:
Both sides were creative with the facts.[/quote]

Maybe you would like to point out a few?

[quote]dhickey wrote:
Christine wrote:
Both sides were creative with the facts.

Maybe you would like to point out a few?[/quote]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html

Well, here is one site that picks apart both candidates and claims to be nonpartisan.

They both lie as politicians have been doing for thousands of years. The choice is really which lie do you want to swallow.

I still don’t see her being an every day American with the way she acted last night.

Or maybe its because us “city-folk” just don’t get it right? Then again since close to 60% of the US populations lives in cities greater than 200 000 people and approximately 10% live in cities of 50 000 to 199 999, the average American we are not.

I still stand that she overplayed it.

[quote]Ren wrote:
I still don’t see her being an every day American with the way she acted last night.

Or maybe its because us “city-folk” just don’t get it right? Then again since close to 60% of the US populations lives in cities greater than 200 000 people and approximately 10% live in cities of 50 000 to 199 999, the average American we are not.

I still stand that she overplayed it.[/quote]

You seem a bit obsessed with this. Are you as annoyed with the difference between Primary Barak Obama and the Current Barak? Are you as concerned with Biden overplaying his support of Barak in the context of what he said in the primaries?

[quote]Sloth wrote:

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVhMThlNjRkZGFlMmUwOWFkNDZkZjk0MzBiY2JiYmY=

[/quote]

But Biden spoke so eloquently, and answered the questions directly…
Can you say he answered directly when he is dead wrong, lied, embellished, misrepresented,…what should we call it? He politicked?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Christine wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
<<< It wouldn’t be annoying if she didn’t intentionally play it up so much. And if she didn’t act like she had cornered the market on ‘down home appeal.’

I believe you may be even more annoyed to learn that she probably isn’t playing it up at all. I lived in Valdez for 5 months in 1989 and that’s pretty much how they talk. At least the ones who’ve been there a long time.

How in the hell could you take it without duct taping everyone’s mouth shut?

I was in NYC for a week several years back. I was given free Copenhagen every monrning in exchange for going down to the little bodega next to the hotel and just talking.

They PAID me to talk. I was only about 2 years out of the cowboying business, and those stupid fucking Yankees ate my personality up like it was candy

Palin is just a regular chick who lives in an irregular place. My college roommate is from Hamilton, Montana - and he talks exactly like Palin.

I can only think that you yankee bastards are just a little jealous of people with personality.

I remember being on a business trip in Minneapolis about 27 years ago where I had to demonstrate exercise equipment in front of crowds of people in a shopping mall. My southern accent was much more pronounced back then and the people would gather 'round “just so we can hear you talk. Please talk some more. Martha, come over and listen to this young man talk etc.”

I couldn’t get over how fascinated they were. It was like we were all at the zoo.

BTW, I have determined that nothing good can come out of NYC, LA, or western OR.[/quote]

Where’d you get the southern accent? West Yellowstone?

[quote]pushharder wrote:

BTW, I have determined that nothing good can come out of NYC, LA, or western OR.[/quote]

You forgot Chicago.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Christine wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
<<< It wouldn’t be annoying if she didn’t intentionally play it up so much. And if she didn’t act like she had cornered the market on ‘down home appeal.’

I believe you may be even more annoyed to learn that she probably isn’t playing it up at all. I lived in Valdez for 5 months in 1989 and that’s pretty much how they talk. At least the ones who’ve been there a long time.

How in the hell could you take it without duct taping everyone’s mouth shut?

I was in NYC for a week several years back. I was given free Copenhagen every monrning in exchange for going down to the little bodega next to the hotel and just talking.

They PAID me to talk. I was only about 2 years out of the cowboying business, and those stupid fucking Yankees ate my personality up like it was candy

Palin is just a regular chick who lives in an irregular place. My college roommate is from Hamilton, Montana - and he talks exactly like Palin.

I can only think that you yankee bastards are just a little jealous of people with personality.

I remember being on a business trip in Minneapolis about 27 years ago where I had to demonstrate exercise equipment in front of crowds of people in a shopping mall. My southern accent was much more pronounced back then and the people would gather 'round “just so we can hear you talk. Please talk some more. Martha, come over and listen to this young man talk etc.”

I couldn’t get over how fascinated they were. It was like we were all at the zoo.

BTW, I have determined that nothing good can come out of NYC, LA, or western OR.[/quote]

Wait, so by both of your logics and personal experience, shouldn’t that mean dumb Northeast city slickers should be taken in by Palin and swayed by her small town charm?

[quote]dhickey wrote:
Ren wrote:
I still don’t see her being an every day American with the way she acted last night.

Or maybe its because us “city-folk” just don’t get it right? Then again since close to 60% of the US populations lives in cities greater than 200 000 people and approximately 10% live in cities of 50 000 to 199 999, the average American we are not.

I still stand that she overplayed it.

You seem a bit obsessed with this. Are you as annoyed with the difference between Primary Barak Obama and the Current Barak? Are you as concerned with Biden overplaying his support of Barak in the context of what he said in the primaries?[/quote]

In case you weren’t reading, people are saying that her “down home charm” and “folksy appeal” etc, is a big factor in swinging votes to McCain’s ticket. I’m saying it is overplayed.

Are you concerned between current McCain and 2000 McCain? Its always sad to see a man be a shadow of his former self.