[quote]lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
lixy wrote:
At the end of the day, people seem to care more about their side than about policy. Sad really.[/quote]
Its disgusting,actually. Its like arguing over who stole cookies from the jar…first or last.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
lixy wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
I didn’t have a problem with it because it was fighting terrorism and an enemy who is not visible but only through internet and phone communications…
You may not realize it, but you came off as a really dumb person writing that.
Edit: typo “a”
When an enemy infiltrates your country because the borders are wide open with no enforcement, then it does make sense to monitor via wiretapping. These are not enemys who are part of a nation or visible…they are cowardly and hide among the population.
I agree that the potential for abuse is there and always was. I’m not saying this is a good thing, even though I softly supported it and still do.
The point you miss is the fact that this program is all of a sudden OK with Libs since the savior and merchant of hope is expanding it.
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I agree with you, I am uncomfortable with it myself. I do see the potential of abuse, and I think it’s hilarious that it’s now a good idea because the savior thinks it’s okay.
The difference between a liberal and a conservative is a conservative wants things to run well. a liberal wants to run things, and they don’t care if it runs well. their ideas have failed and they still keep trying.
Bans guns, let criminals out. Raise taxes to increase wealth, WTF? Cut the military and raise welfare. Punishg the achievers because we have cheated somehow. Not that those who haven’t might have screwed up.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
When an enemy infiltrates your country because the borders are wide open with no enforcement, then it does make sense to monitor via wiretapping.
No, you idiot. It makes sense to do something about those borders.
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Duhh!! How does the fact that my country run by Liberals, who want more infiltration of illegals which translates to Democratic support by these people make ME an idoit you fucking jackass?
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
lixy wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
When an enemy infiltrates your country because the borders are wide open with no enforcement, then it does make sense to monitor via wiretapping.
No, you idiot. It makes sense to do something about those borders.
Duhh!! How does the fact that my country run by Liberals, who want more infiltration of illegals which translates to Democratic support by these people make ME an idoit you fucking jackass? [/quote]
Because your solution is worse than the problem.
[quote]lixy wrote:
<<< At the end of the day, people seem to care more about their side than about policy. Sad really.[/quote]
I am guaranteeing you this is much more prevalent on the left than anywhere else.
Many MANY conservatives, including myself, as has been evinced by every syllable I’ve typed in this forum, adhere to a set of values that they view both parties as having abandoned.
Moderates, whatever that is, support whoever perpetrates the best propaganda blitz du jour.
Committed liberals support the Democrats with blind sycophantic servitude with few exceptions.
To be fair there are some thoroughgoing leftists who also have principles they hold in higher regard than party, but they are in the distinct minority.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
lixy wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
When an enemy infiltrates your country because the borders are wide open with no enforcement, then it does make sense to monitor via wiretapping.
No, you idiot. It makes sense to do something about those borders.
Duhh!! How does the fact that my country run by Liberals, who want more infiltration of illegals which translates to Democratic support by these people make ME an idoit you fucking jackass?
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We’ve had more illegal immigrants enter this country under Bush than any other president.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
lixy wrote:
<<< At the end of the day, people seem to care more about their side than about policy. Sad really.
I am guaranteeing you this is much more prevalent on the left than anywhere else.
Many MANY conservatives, including myself, as has been evinced by every syllable I’ve typed in this forum, adhere to a set of values that they view both parties as having abandoned.
Moderates, whatever that is, support whoever perpetrates the best propaganda blitz du jour.
Committed liberals support the Democrats with blind sycophantic servitude with few exceptions.
To be fair there are some thoroughgoing leftists who also have principles they hold in higher regard than party, but they are in the distinct minority.
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That’s a bit hard to take, given the slavish obedience to Bush by Republican voters and legislators LONG past the point where it was clear that his administration was a virtually unmitigated disaster. If you (as in one) didn’t get off the Bush bandwagon until 2008, it’s pretty rich to accuse the other side of blind partisanship.
I haven’t been even moderately on anybody’s bandwagon for a coupla decades. Conservatives, none I know, were ever fans of Bush. Once this bunch of leftist weaklings gets us bombed and or laughed off the international stage some folks will find themselves begrudgingly longing for a return of GWB’s foreign policy. Write it down and mark my words.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Once this bunch of leftist weaklings gets us bombed and or laughed off the international stage some folks will find themselves begrudgingly longing for a return of GWB’s foreign policy. [/quote]
Question is, will you?
Who gives a damn what “some folks” will find themselves longing for? There are “some folks” longing for the return of Hitler.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
lixy wrote:
At the end of the day, people seem to care more about their side than about policy. Sad really.
Its disgusting,actually. Its like arguing over who stole cookies from the jar…first or last.
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“We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent.” Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950
Of course…
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
lixy wrote:
<<< At the end of the day, people seem to care more about their side than about policy. Sad really.
I am guaranteeing you this is much more prevalent on the left than anywhere else.
Many MANY conservatives, including myself, as has been evinced by every syllable I’ve typed in this forum, adhere to a set of values that they view both parties as having abandoned.
Moderates, whatever that is, support whoever perpetrates the best propaganda blitz du jour.
Committed liberals support the Democrats with blind sycophantic servitude with few exceptions.
To be fair there are some thoroughgoing leftists who also have principles they hold in higher regard than party, but they are in the distinct minority.
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I like to pretend that we have a voice in determining our future too. It’s fun!!
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933
If Big Brother wishes to present ‘his’ face to the world as these two political parties, so be it.
“Proles and animals are free.” — 1984
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Duhh!! How does the fact that my country run by Liberals, who want more infiltration of illegals which translates to Democratic support by these people make ME an idoit you fucking jackass?
We’ve had more illegal immigrants enter this country under Bush than any other president. [/quote]
So?? This was not my point. I don’t agree with floods of illegals no matter WHO is in office. Again…“bush” is the retort.
I’m out of tin foil hat comments. You guys are severely retarded.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Duhh!! How does the fact that my country run by Liberals, who want more infiltration of illegals which translates to Democratic support by these people make ME an idoit you fucking jackass?
We’ve had more illegal immigrants enter this country under Bush than any other president.
So?? This was not my point. I don’t agree with floods of illegals no matter WHO is in office. Again…“bush” is the retort.
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I think he meant Bush is a Retard
[quote]lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Once this bunch of leftist weaklings gets us bombed and or laughed off the international stage some folks will find themselves begrudgingly longing for a return of GWB’s foreign policy.
Question is, will you?
Who gives a damn what “some folks” will find themselves longing for? There are “some folks” longing for the return of Hitler.[/quote]
I am already.
I was referring to some who thought Bush was such a war mongering meanie. Once these UN groveling fairies do enough of their usual damage, the light may click on in their normally Care Bear corrupted minds.
I think a lot of us saw the potential for abuse in the Patriot Acts and even if we
trusted W’s admin not to abuse them, we knew that sooner or later some administration would.
It goes back to The Social Contract Theory.
You give up some rights to have the remainder protected.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Once this bunch of leftist weaklings gets us bombed and or laughed off the international stage some folks will find themselves begrudgingly longing for a return of GWB’s foreign policy.
Question is, will you?
Who gives a damn what “some folks” will find themselves longing for? There are “some folks” longing for the return of Hitler.
I am already. [/quote]
Good thing he couldn’t run for a third term.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
I’ll start…
The Obomunist feels that wealth distribution and pay limits for all corporationsis a good thing for everyone.
The Obomunist’s still today always has “The last 8 years” or the word “Bush” in their arguements.
The Obomunist thinks that the Patriot Act and initiative of of illegal wiretapping is all of a sudden OK…especially since the savior is EXPANDING the program for our protection.
The Obomunist hates any individuals success beyond their own… and enjoys the idea of someone that has been better off than they are financially now making less money. They enjoy anothers misery.
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A) I fail to see what is wrong with pay limits on heads of corporations that are receiving government (TAXPAYER) money?
B) Bush was president a mere 4 months ago. His policies and laws very much still impact the national climate. We should be able to discuss how to improve on Bush’s last eight years. To ridicule anyone for that would be taking steps backwards, not forwards.
C) Anybody have a link for the expansion of the patriot act and wiretapping? I seem to have missed that story.
D) Your last paragraph is simply absurd. What kind of fool wants to spread the idea that our president enjoys another’s misery? Seriously, I am all for trashing the president when he does something wrong, but you are just being mean spirited and not bringing anything to the table with statements like that one.
[quote]lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
lixy wrote:
I don’t " recall the hysterics on the Left" in this forum. The Obama supporters were mainly saying that he’s the least evil (remember, he was running against McCain/Palin).
I never limited it to this forum, which has seen only a few Obama supporters - and the voting bloc I refer to certainly did not preach that Obama was the “least worst” alternative, but rather that he was nothing short of a political messiah and demigod hipster.
Recall the shameful inconography and Beatlemania of left-wing voters - and it infected not some fringe partisan element of the Democratic party, but the mainstream of it.
I’ll give you that. Gallup reports that over 90% of Democrats are thrilled by what Obama has done, when much of his policies are the exact same they used to attack Bush.
At the end of the day, people seem to care more about their side than about policy. Sad really.[/quote]
Which raises the interesting question, what makes their side “their side” ?
[quote]orion wrote:
lixy wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
lixy wrote:
I don’t " recall the hysterics on the Left" in this forum. The Obama supporters were mainly saying that he’s the least evil (remember, he was running against McCain/Palin).
I never limited it to this forum, which has seen only a few Obama supporters - and the voting bloc I refer to certainly did not preach that Obama was the “least worst” alternative, but rather that he was nothing short of a political messiah and demigod hipster.
Recall the shameful inconography and Beatlemania of left-wing voters - and it infected not some fringe partisan element of the Democratic party, but the mainstream of it.
I’ll give you that. Gallup reports that over 90% of Democrats are thrilled by what Obama has done, when much of his policies are the exact same they used to attack Bush.
At the end of the day, people seem to care more about their side than about policy. Sad really.
Which raises the interesting question, what makes their side “their side” ?
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psychopathy.
delusions.
both?